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JOURNALS 



OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF 

CANADA 

From Thursday, October 8, 1970 to Wednesday, February 16, 1972, both days 

inclusive, in the Nineteenth, Twentieth and Twenty-First Years of the Reign 

of our Sovereign Lady, Queen Elizabeth the Second 

THIRD SESSION OF THE TWENTY-EIGHTH PARLIAMENT OF CANADA 



The Honourable Lucien Lamoureux, Speaker 



SESSION 1970-72 



PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT 



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ME CXVIl 



QUEEN'S PRINTER FOR CANADA • 
OTTAWA. 1972 

One Hundred and Seventeenth Volume 



coNTEirrs 

Page 

Proclamation v 

Journals of the House of Commons 1 

List of Appendices to the Journals 1045 

Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence of Standing and Special Commit- 
tees not reported or deemed reported to the House of Commons 1053 

The Ministry and their Parliamentary Secretaries 1055 

Officers of the House of Commons 1057 

Alphabetical List of Members with their Constituencies 1059 

Alphabetical List of Constituencies and Members thereof 1063 

Index to Journals 1067 



PROCLAMATION 

* 




{Summoning of Parliament) 

ROLAND MICHENER 
[L.S.] 

CANADA 

ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members elected 
to serve in the House of Commons of Canada and to each and every of 
you, 

GREETING: 
DONALD S. MAXWELL 

Canada 
Deputy Attorney General 

A PROCLAMATION 
Wheresis the Meeting of Our Parliament of Canada stands prorogued to 
Thursday, the eighth day of the month of October, 1970, these Presents are 
therefore to command and enjoin you and each of you and all others in this 
behalf interested that on the said Thursday, the eighth day of the month of 
October, 1970, at half-past ten o'clock in the forenoon, at Our City of Ottawa, 
personally you be and appear for the DESPATCH OF BUSINESS, to treat, do, 
act and conclude upon those things which in Our said Parliament of Canada, by 
the Common Council of Canada, may, by the favour of God, be ordained. 

In Testimony Whereof, We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our Right 
Trusty and Well-beloved Counsellor, Roland Michener, Chancellor and 
Principal Companion of Our Order of Canada upon whom We have con- 
ferred Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and Com- 
mander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this seventh day of October 
in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine himdred and seventy and in 
the nineteenth year of Our Reign. 

By Command, 

J. F. GRANDY 
Deputy Registrar General of Canada 



GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 



19 ELIZABETH II— A.D. 1970 



No. 1 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 8, 1970 



10.30 o'clock a.m. 



This being the day on which Parliament has been con- 
voked by Proclamation of the Governor General for the 
despatch of business, and the Members of the House being 
assembled: 

PRAYERS 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following 
letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

8th October, 1970. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that His Excellency 
the Governor General will arrive at the Main Entrance 
of the Parliament Buildings at 10.30 a.m. on this day, 
Thursday the 8th of October, 1970, and when it has been 
signified that all is in readiness, will proceed to the 



Chamber of the Senate to open formally the Third Session 
of the Twenty-eighth Parliament of Canada. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sur, 
Your obedient servant, 

ESMOND BUTLER, 
Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

A Message was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of 
the Black Rod. 

"Mr. Speaker, His Excellency the Governor General 
desires the immediate attendance of this Honourable 
House in the Chamnber of the Honourable the Senate". 

The House attended accordingly; 

And being returned. 



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Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-1, An Act re- 
specting the Administration of Oaths of Office, which was 
read the first time. 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend 
His Excellency the Governor General this day in the 
Senate Chamber, His Excellency was pleased to make a 
speech to both Houses of Parliament, and to prevent mis- 
takes, he had obtained a copy, which is as follows: 

Honourable Members of the Senate: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

I have the lionour to welcome you to the Third Session 
of the 28th Parliament of Canada and to present, on 
behalf of my Government, various matters which it 
wishes to lay before you. 

Before proceeding, I should like to recall to your minds 
a few events of the year which have been of special 
significance in our national life. 

The Northwest Territories, which comprise 40 per cent 
of our land and water, and the "Keystone" Province of 
Manitoba, have each celebrated the one hundredth anni- 
versary of their entry into Canada. 

They were greatly encouraged in these exercises, and 
Canada as a whole was delighted by the presence of our 
gracious Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh, accom- 
panied for the first time by The Prince of Wales and 
Princess Anne. The Royal Family travelled extensively in 
the Northwest Territories and visited a great many 
Manitoba communities, ending with an enthusiastic send- 
off from Winnipeg. In Ottawa we were all pleased to play 
host for two days to Prince Charles, a friendly and 
interested guest. 

The interest of Canada as a whole in these centennials 
was shown in many ways, including a Session of the 
Cabinet in Winnipeg, individual visits by the Prime Min- 
ister and otlier Canadians in public life, and by the 
participation of my wife and myself. 

Our own travels in the Western Arctic and in the 
Yukon Territory enabled us to round out our tours of all 
the Provinces and Territories. 

Next year British Columbia, which extended the 
Canadian Federation to the Pacific Coast in 1871, will 
mark the centennial of this historic event. It will give 
Canadians much satisfaction to know tliat Her Majesty 
and The Duke of Edinburgh, accompanied by Princess 
Anne, will visit the Province in early May and join in 
the centennial celebration. 

We gather here today within a few hours of the con- 
clusion of the Second Session of this Parliament. In a real 
sense, the interval between the second and third sessions 
cannot be measured in terms of hours or days. The Third 
Session of the 28th Parliament commences in the decade 
of the seventies, a decade which we dare not assume will 
be a continuation of the past. The passing of tlie sixties 
and the beginning of the seventies reminds us that 
Canada faces a new age; an age which will be subject to 
forces not all of which are yet comprehended or under- 
stood, forces which will proceed from external as well as 



internal origins. It is a new age not so much because of 
changed circumstances, but new because of changed 
values and attitudes. 

Because of the clash between these new values and the 
old, because of the quest by the young and the disillu- 
sioned for some resolution of attitudes, we live in a 
period of tenseness and unease. It is an age frequented by 
violence as desperate men seek ill-defined goals; an age 
of frustration as gentle men question impatiently old 
assumptions. It is an age in which the life-support sys- 
tems of the biosphere may collapse unless man reverses 
his present course and begins again to live in harmony, 
rather than in competition, with his environment. It is an 
age in which the forces of science and technology now in 
motion are so massive, so swift, and so comprehensive 
that man may be facing his last opportunity to control 
his own destiny rather than be subject to it. 

The decade of the seventies extends beyond our pres- 
ent vision, yet the momentum of change is already so 
over-whelming that man can no longer afford the luxury 
of reacting to events. He must anticipate and plan. He 
must accept that contentment and indifference are illuso- 
ry; that the most dramatic reality is change; that there is 
more need than ever before to preserve as constant 
values truth, honesty, excellence and relevance; that a 
society which is not inspired by love and compassion is 
not worthy of the name. 

We are entering an age of tension, an age of challenge, 
an age of excitement. At the threshold of the seventies a 
choice is open to Canadians as it is open to few persons 
in few countries. With foresight and stamina and enter- 
prise, our's may be, if we wish it; 

— a society in which human differences are regarded as 

assets, not liabilities; 
— a society in which individual freedom and equality 
of opportunity remain as our most cherished 
possessions; 
— a society in which the enjoyment of life is measured 

in qualitative, not quantitative terms; 
— a society which encourages imagination and daring, 
ingenuity and initiative, not coldly and impersonally 
for the sake of efficiency, but with warmth and from 
•the heart as between friends. 

As Canada moves into the seventies, we are all invited 
to join in this bold enterprise — to share the excitement, 
to face the challenge, to pursue the distant ideal of a just 
society. 

The Canada of the seventies must continue to be a land 
for people; a country in which freedom and individual- 
ism are cherished and nurtured; a society in which the 
Government lends its strength to withstand, rather than 
support the pressures for conforrnity. 

One of the greatest of the challenges to individuality 
comes from the increasing pressures of urban living. It is 
estimated that eighty per cent of the population of 
Canada will be resident in a few large cities by the end 
of this century. By comparison with the recent past, this 
is a new face of Canada bringing with it a new accumu- 
lation of problems. One of those problems is the need for 
adequate housing, another the provision of the many 



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services necessary in an urban environment. Much prog- 
ress has ah-eady been attained in these areas, but much 
more remains to be done. To solve the problems will 
require an ever-increasing share of the nation's financial 
resources; not to solve them, to permit unmanaged 
growth, would result in an unacceptable drain on the 
nation's human resources. To foster coordination of the 
activities of all levels of government, and to contribute to 
sound urban growth and development, the Government 
proposes the re-organization of its urban activities under 
the direction of a Minister of State for Urban Affairs and 
Housing. The Government seeks, by making rational its 
efforts in these fields, and through consultation with 
those most directly concerned, to help Canadians reach 
and implement the decisions that will determine their 
urban future. 

There exists in Canada a great wealth of untapped and 
uncoordinated scientific talent and experience not now 
adequately utilized in the quest for solutions to our 
modern problems. In order to serve better the industrial 
and technological sectors of our economy, as well as 
Canada at large, a programme will be introduced to 
gather and focus these sometimes divergent and competi- 
tive scientific resources. In this respect the Government 
will consider with care measures recommended by the 
Senate Committee on Science Policy and the Science 
Council of Canada. 

A society is said to be judged best by the compassion 
and the fairness with which it treats those of its mem- 
bers who breach or are accused of breaching the norms 
of conduct which it establishes for itself. The Canadian 
record in this respect is of a high standard, but not so 
high that it can withstand all criticism. You will be 
asked, therefore, to consider further measures intended 
to continue the reform of the law in these areas. Legisla- 
tion has been prepared which deals with bail and pre-tri- 
al detention, and with the treatment of young offenders. 

Norms of conduct are never static, however, and cer- 
tainly not at present. A society which cherishes the con- 
cept of freedom of individual rights must be prepared 
constantly to assess the effect and extent of changing 
attitudes, no matter how distressing or disturbing the 
re-evaluation may be to some persons. Previously 
accepted postures are under attack in Canada and 
require study in several areas. The Government accepts 
its responsibility in this process. The report of the Com- 
mission of Inquiry into the Non-Medical Use of Drugs, 
expected within the next few months, will require care- 
ful study and discussion. The Government proposes to 
make time available during this session for discussion of 
still another controversial issue. It proposes a special 
debate on abortion. 

To ignore the undoubted widespread challenges to pres- 
ent laws in these fields would be dishonest. You will be 
invited, therefore, to participate, in the examination of 
these important questions. You will be asked as well to 
give consideration to the report of the Royal Commission 
on the Status of Women when once this is received. 

Fortunately, not all aspects of Canadian life are subject 
to such differences of opinion, and the need for legisla- 
tion in certain sectors is widely recognized. Two such 
sectors, immense in size juid largely overlapping, are 
those of the consiuner and the employee. Every Canadisin 



is a consumer of goods and services, millions of Canadi- 
ans are employees. To face today's competitive marketing 
system, the consumer requires protection in a number of 
respects. Measures will be introduced, therefore, to pro- 
tect Canadians more adequately from the results of com- 
bines, mergers and unfair trade practices, to regulate the 
labelling and packaging of consumer goods, and to pro- 
tect further the users of consumer credit. 

Because the Canadian work force is growing in size 
and sophistication, and operating within an increasingly 
integrated industrial environment, present measures must 
be amended to meet changing social requirements. You 
will be asked, therefore, to approve a revised legal 
frame-work for labour-management relations and a new 
set of labour standards for industries within federal 
jurisdiction. Sweeping changes in the field of unemploy- 
ment insurance will be proposed in a bill designed to 
widen considerably both the benefits offered and the 
persons who are qualified to take advantage of them. 
These measures will make more rational and more fair 
the assistance available to those temporarily without 
employment. The legislation is a product of the careful 
study of this subject tabled in Parliament last session in 
the form of a white paper. 

A number of other studies of this same nature have 
been tmderway in past months as well. These reflect 
Government planning for the Canada of the seventies. 
Parliament will be invited to examine in this session a 
number of white papers in such diverse fields as com- 
munications, citizenship, immigration, national defence, 
and income security policy. 

The Government is pleased at the widespread and 
largely constructive public response to its invitation to 
comment upon the proposals contained in its white paper 
on tax reform. The views of those who have participated 
in this exercise are being examined and carefully consid- 
ered, as will those of the two Parliamentary Committees. 
Thereafter, legislation will be introduced incorporating 
policies designed to make more equitable the economic 
burden shared by our fellow dwellers in this complex 
and varied land. These taxation measures are part of the 
Government's pledge to utilize the wealth of Canada for 
the good of all Canadians and not just for those fortunate 
enough to be shielded by the protective apparatus of 
giant corporations, alert professional organizations or 
powerful labour unions. 

It remains the goal of the Government to be concerned 
with the production of wealth. It also remains the goal of 
the Government that Canadians be given the opportunity 
to enjoy that wealth. Income security programmes offer 
one means by which this latter goal can be attained. To 
this end legislation will be introduced. 

All our efforts for a stable prosperity and for a humane 
community will be of little value to us, however, if we do 
not quickly and determinedly grapple with the threat to 
our well-being and the well-being of future generations 
of Canadians which is represented by environmental pol- 
lution. Pollution is a many-headed hydra and requires 
action in many forms. You will be asked to consider bills 
intended to deal with pollution in two of its aspects: in 
the ocean and in the atmosphere. More pressing than any 
single step or steps, however, is the need to co-ordinate 



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and consolidate our efforts in an effective fashion. There 
will be proposed the establishment of a department to be 
concerned with the environment and the husbanding of 
those renewable resources that are a part of and depend- 
ent upon it, with a mandate for the protection of the 
biosphere. 

However worthy our goals, and however strong our 
will to attain them, tliey will nevertheless be denied to us 
in whole or in part should our economy be malfunction- 
ing. It would be irresponsible to suggest that the economy 
is now in a satisfactory condition. When costs rise more 
rapidly than productivity, when men and women are 
unable to gain employment, when a reasonable distribu- 
tion of the wealtli of Canada is denied to certain sectors 
or regions, then these are matters for deep concern. 
Fortunately, our population, the number of Canadians 
engaged in productive employment, the total volume of 
goods and services which they produce, and Canadian 
exports all continue to grow. 

Export sales of grains, so important to Canada's eco- 
nomic well-being, are exhibiting a steadily rising trend in 
marked contrast to the very stagnant situation a year 
ago. The LIFT program has removed a substantial por- 
tion of the accumulated wheat surplus which was inhibit- 
ing the international wheat market, and has encouraged 
a healthy diversification of agricultural activities. The 
unanimous support accorded the Government's initiative 
in the development of national marketing agencies by the 
First Ministers at their recent meeting assures continued 
cooperation between botli levels of government. That 
cooperation will provide a basis for improved marketing 
structures for agricultural commodities, which will bene- 
fit both producers and consumers in almost all segments 
of agricultural endeavour. The Government will continue 
to introduce programmes designed to improve the market 
potential for agricultural produce and to assist in the 
adjustment to changes in this vital sector of our 
economy. 

Canadian industry is responding to the challenges of 
growth and of adaptation to a changing world environ- 
ment. Our exports in past months have achieved record 
heights. In an attempt to place the textile industry on a 
competitive footing, legislation to facilitate adjustment of 
that industry will be introduced this session. 

We are not yet free of inflationary pressures but there 
has been real progress and price increases have abated to 
• the extent that the Canadian record in the battle against 
inliation is superior to that so far attained in any other 
western country. In the result it has been possible for the 
past several months to moderate certain monetary and 
fiscal restraints. Unemployment remains distressingly 
high in some parts of Canada although the rate has not 
increased significantly in recent months, and measures to 
encourage regional economic expansion in areas of 
slower development are beginning to show results. 
Soundly based growth, which is prerequisite for 
increased permanent employntient opportunities, will con- 
tmue to be encouraged and will reflect success to the 
extent that restraint is exercised by all Canadians in the 
cost area, and that improved productivity strengthens the 
position of Canada in external trade. 



In sum, the vitality of the economy, coupled with 
present governmental policies, is countering slowly but 
effectively the pressures of inflation and unemployment. 
So long, however, as Canadians who desire work are 
unable to find it; so long as persons on fixed incomes are 
unable to provide adequately for themselves and their 
dependants; then so long must the Government strive to 
assist them. 

It must do so even as it acknowledges and weighs the 
concern expressed increasingly by Canadians about the 
extent and the nature of foreign ownership in the 
Canadian economy. Legislation dealing with one aspect of 
this complex problem, the uranium industry, will be 
introduced for your consideration. 

All these matters require your earnest consideration 
even as the events of the world beyond our borders 
demand our constant attention. Canadians have long real- 
ized that they represent but a single segment of a larger 
world commvmity. The political, economic and social 
health of Canada cannot be maintained should infection 
of either a primary or secondary nature be rampant in 
the world at large. The Government continues, therefore, 
to direct its efforts in increasing measure to those tasks 
where Canadian initiative and Canadian competence may 
prove to be as effective as has other Csmadian enterprise 
in the past. Much of this effort is expended within the 
framework of the United Nations, celebrating this year a 
quarter century as the conscience and the hope of man- 
kind. In such diverse but important fields as disarma- 
ment, environmental protection, economic development 
planning, the creation of new international legal struc- 
tures for the deep oceans and outer space, and interna- 
tional security, we work and remain committed to a 
world in which peace, social progress and the dignity of 
man will be the norm and not the exception as is now 
too often the case. 

An economy that is in need of adjustment; a society 
beset by a variety of tensions; an environment that has 
been abused and degraded; an international community 
that is under intense pressures — these are problems that 
demand our urgent attention. But of those that are basi- 
cally Canadian, none is insoluble. None takes the form of 
those dilemmas or irreconcilable issues which elsewhere 
fire the violence of despair. Notwithstanding its difficul- 
ties, Canada continues to enjoy social stability to an 
exceptional degree. 

This stability is not simply a matter of luck. Good 
fortune is a factor, but we should accept gracefully the 
fact that we are also more amenable to reason and, 
perhaps more capable of wise decision than we are nor- 
mally willing to admit. The burden of our European 
inheritance and our fascination with our American 
neighbour tend often to detract us and cause us to be 
unaware of that reasonableness and that wisdom. We 
forget to our own disadvantage, for these are traits that 
have made Canada a land of freedom. Canadians should 
pause on occasions such as this to reflect that their 
country is regarded by others with envy. It is a high 
place of liberty in the world. It is held in esteem because 
in Canada respect is paid to the individual; privacy and 
freedom of thought are honoured. Among us, each citi- 
zen, each community, finds its roots in liberty. Our 



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national entity does not depend upon a melting pot, but 
is a concerted exercise of free will. 

It is in this sense of liberty as a supreme value, and of 
tolerance as its social and political expression, that we 
find our foundation and strength as a people. Let us 
recognize with pride and with modesty what so many 
strangers admire and see in us: that we have achieved 
greatly, that in the future even greater achievements are 
within our reach. We have the capacity, if we retain the 
will, to adjust our society to reflect the values of our 
peoples, to benefit from a rich cultural life, to create 
viable political and social structures, and to strike an 
equilibrium with nature without which all the rest may 
be undone. 

The conviction is growing throughout the world that if 
man is to sui-\'ive he must strive without delay to regu- 
late his future. This is a task which presupposes a full- 
ness of freedom and an extensive field of human experi- 
ence. Now, as we enter the decade of the seventies, 
Canada is free enough, vast enough, and diversified 
enough to undertake this task which is so vital and 
v/hich will have such world-wide effects. Should we not 
lose our will or our nerve, this task can be accomplished 
and could prove to be the principal element of the 
Canadian fact. We stand on the threshold of greatness. 

Members of the House of Commons: 

During this Session, you will be asked to grant the 
necessary funds for the services and expenditures 
authorized by Parliament. 

Honourable Members of the Senate: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

The Prime Minister will lay before you today a list of 
bills that will be submitted to you during the Session. 



May Divine Providence guide 
deliberations. 



you in your 



On motion of Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
donald (Rosedale), it was ordered, — That the Speech of 
His Excellency, delivered this day from the Throne to 
both Houses of Parliament, be taken into consideration 
later this day. 

Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid before the House, — ^List of Measures referred to by 
His Excellency the Governor General in the Speech from 
the Throne (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/371. 

Agreed — That the said list be printed in this day's 
Hansard. 

Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
delivered a Message from His Excellency the Governor 
General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as follows: 

ROLAND MICHENER: 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Com- 
mons a certified copy of an Order in Council appointing 
the Honourable Allan Joseph MacEachen, President of 



the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, the Honourable 
Charles Mills Drury, President of the Treasury Board, 
the Honourable Jean Chretien, Minister of Indian Affairs 
and Northern Development and the Honourable Donald 
Stovel Macdonald, Minister of National Defence, to act 
with the Speaker of the House of Commons as commis- 
sioners for the purposes and under the provisions of the 
one hundred and forty-third chapter of the Revised 
Statutes of Canada, 1952, intituled: An Act respecting the 
House of Commons. 

Government House, 
Ottawa. 

On motion of Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Macdonald 
(Rosedale), Gerald Laniel, Esquire, Member for the 
Electoral District of Beauharnois, was appointed Deputy 
Chairman of Committees of the Whole House. 

On motion of Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Macdonald 
(Rosedale), it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding the 
provisions of Standing Order 2(2), the House shall meet 
at 11:00 o'clock a.m. on Friday, October 9, 1970 and that 
such sitting shall not be adjourned until the leaders of all 
parties have spoken in the Address Debate. 

At 11.50 o'clock a.m., the sitting was suspended until 
2.00 o'clock p.m. 

At 2.00 o'clock p.m., the sitting was resumed. 

The Order for the consideration of the Speech from the 
Throne delivered by His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral of Canada to both Houses of Parliament being read; 

Mr. Trudel, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), 
moved, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the 
House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, 
beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency 
for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has ad- 
dressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate arising thereon, the said debate was, on 
motion of Mr. Stanfield, seconded by Mr. Ricard, ad- 
journed. 



At 2.47 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Trudeau, sec- 
onded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), the House ad- 
journed until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to 
Special Order. 



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JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 
White Paper entitled "Unemployment Insurance in the 
70's" laid before the House, June 17, 1970, and the evi- 
dence adduced by the Committee in its study of the 
aforementioned matter during the Second Session of the 
28th Parliament, be referred to the Standing Conunittee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

The House resumed the adjourned debate on the motion 
of Mr. Trudel, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — 
That the following Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 



MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the 
House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, 
beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency 
for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has 
addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Stanfield, seconded by Mr. Ricard, moved in 
amendment thereto, — That the following be added to 
the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that because of the indeci- 
sion and the failures of Your Excellency's advisors, 
the "Just Society" is now a "distant ideal"." 

And debate arising thereon; 



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Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), sec- 
onded by Mr. Lewis, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amend- 
ed by changing the period at the end thereof to a comma, 
and by adding immediately thereafter the following 
words: 

"and we regret, in particular, the Government's failure 

(1) to deal effectively with the threat to Canadian 
independence created by the growing foreign owner- 
ship of our economy; 

(2) to provide policies to reduce the high rate of un- 
employment, which is now expected to reach disas- 
trous levels this winter; and 

(3) to introduce a guaranteed income below which no 
Canadian family will be allowed to fall, so as to 
eradicate the poverty which now afflicts at least five 
million Canadians." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, on 
motion of Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), seconded by Mr. 
Pringle, adjourned. 

A Message was received from the Senate as follows: 

Resolved, — That a Special Joint Committee of the 
Senate and of the House of Commons be appointed to 
examine and report upon proposals, made public, or 
which are from time to time made public by the 
Government of Canada, on a number of subjects re- 
lated to the Constitution of Canada during the course 
of the comprehensive review of the Constitution of 
Canada, which review was agreed upon at the Con- 
stitutional Conference of the Prime Minister of Canada 
and the Premiers and Prime Ministers of the Provinces 
in February, 1968, and alternative proposals on the 
same subjects; 

That the Committee have power to appoint, from 
among its members, such sub-committees as it may 
deem advisable or necessary; 

That the Committee have power to sit during sittings 
and adjournments of the Senate; 

That the Committee have power to report from time 
to time, to send for persons, papers, and records, and 
to print such papers and evidence from day to day as 
may be ordered by the Committee; 

That the Committee have power to adjourn from 
place to place within Canada; 

That the quorum of the Committee be 17 members, 
whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken, 
so long as both Houses are represented and that the 
Joint Chairmen be authorized to hold meetings, to 
receive evidence and authorize the printing thereof 
when 7 members are present so long as both Houses 
are represented; 

That the Committee be empowered to retain the 
services of three specialists to assist it in its work; and 
that it also be empowered to retain the clerical and 
stenographic help deemed advisable by the Joint 
Chairmen; 

That the papers and evidence received and taken on 
the subject in the preceding session be referred to the 
Committee and made part of the records thereof; 



That the following Senators be appointed to act on 
behalf of the Senate on the Special Joint Committee, 
namely, the Honourable Senators Cameron, Fergusson, 
Flynn, Giguere, Grosart, Lamontagne, Langlois, Mc- 
Donald, Thompson and Yuzyk; and 

That a message be sent to the House of Commons 
requesting that House to unite with this House for the 
above purpose and to select, if the House of Commons 
deems advisable, some of its Members to act on the 
proposed Special Joint Committee. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. St. Pierre for Mr. Murphy on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development. 

Mr. Perrault for Mr. Borrie on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

Mr. Duquet for Mr. Corbin on the Standing Coni- 
mittee on Transport and Communications. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk 
of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Parliamentary Librar- 
ian, pursuant to section 2 of the Regulations respecting 
the Library of Parliament, (English and French) — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-1/307 which is as follows: 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons 

The Parliamentary Librarian has the honour to submit 
his report for the fiscal year April 1,' 1969, to March 31, 
1970. His last report was presented to the Senate on 
October 23, 1969, printed in the Minutes October 28th, 
and to the House of Commons October 24, 1969, and 
covered the calendar year 1968, in addition to the fiscal 
year 1968-69. 

Before proceeding with the regular report, however, 
the Parliamentary Librarian is pleased to report the 
appointment by the Prime Minister of a new Associate 
Parliamentary Librarian, Mr. Gilles Frappier, effective 
August 17, 1970. Mr. Frappier, B.A., B.Ph., B.L.S., all 
from the University of Ottawa, was Director of Science 
Libraries for the University of Montreal immediately 
prior to his appointment. He brings to the position of 
Associate Parliamentary Librarian a background of pro- 
gressingly responsible experience, primarily in special, 
technical libraries, and thus helps fiU a gap in the ex- 
perience represented by our present staff. His appoint- 
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of science and technology, and especially service to 
French-speaking Parliamentarians. 

In this connection the Parliamentary Librarian would 
like to pay tribute to the Assistant Librarian, Miss A. 
Pamela Hardisty, who willingly accepted additional ad- 
ministrative responsibility, and to Mile Simonne Chiasson 
who, with equal willingness, accepted responsibility for 
the French collection, and served as senior French staff 
member during the 27J months this position was vacant. 
It is hoped that these two able, hard-working librarians 
may be suitably rewarded. 

1. INFORMATION Staff of 61 

A. Reference, Circulation, Clipping and Indexing Services 

Inquiries reached a record 7,143 compared with 5,101 
in 1968-69, an increase of 40%. Circulation of books also 
reached a new record of 19,171 compared to 17,358, an 
increase of over 10%. Interlibrary loans remained con- 
stant at 650; letters of inquiry dropped from 563 to 487 
for the year. 

Chronology of Legislation in Process: This current 
record of bills passing through the Senate and the House 
of Commons, begun with the 1st Session of the 28th 
Parliament, provides current information on the status 
of pending legislaion. Together with the indexes of bills 
by sponsor and subject, it supplies a retrospective record 
of each session's legislative activities. 

Indexing of Committee Proceedings and Reports: The 
subject indexing of the proceedings of Senate, House of 
Commons, and Joint Committees increased, but the in- 
creased activities of committees under the new procedur- 
al rules of the House of Commons demands more indexers 
than originally estimated. Since the indexes are to be 
printed with the committee proceedings beginning with 
the 2nd Session of the 28th Parliament, it is now neces- 
sary to complete as many as possible by the end of each 
session. The proceedings of the following committees for 
the 1st Session of the 28th Parliament were completed: 
ENGLISH; Senate — Banking, Trade and Commerce; 
Foreign Affairs; Health, Welfare and Science; Poverty; 
Transport and Communications; Hoiise of Commons — 
External Affairs and National Defence; Indian Affairs 
and Northern Development; Labour, Manpower and Im- 
migration; Miscellaneous Private Bills and Standing 
Orders; National Resources and Public Works; Official 
Languages Bill; Privileges and Elections; Regional De- 
velopment; Statutory Instruments; FRENCH; Senat — 
Banques et Commerce; Transports et Communications; 
Sante, Bien-etre et Sciences; Chambre des communes — 
Affaires indiennes et Developpement du Nord canadien; 
Instruments statutaires; Langues officielles; Radiodiffu- 
sion, Films et Assistance aux Arts; Ressources nationales 
et Travaux publics; Travail, Main-d'oeuvre et Immigra- 
tion. In addition, the proceedings of other committees of 
the 1st Session were partially indexed and indexing was 
begun on the committee proceedings for the 2nd Session 
of the 28th Parliament. 

Bibliographies: The increasing pressure of day-to-day 
reference inquiries made it impossible for the reference 

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librarians to prepare supplements or up-dated editions of 
some bibliographies requiring them. However, the follow- 
ing special bibliographies or reading lists were prepared 
when requested: 

Arctic Exploration 

Canada-U.S. Auto Pact/Accord Canada-i^tats-Unis 
sur les parties d'automobiles 

Canadian Sovereignty in the Arctic 

Educational Television 

Foreign Influences in Canada 

Government's role in Housing 

Guaranteed Annual Income/Revenu annuel garanti 

Information Canada 

Medical Aspects of Oral Contraceptives 

National Capital/La Capitale nationale 

Population, Family Planning and Birth Control 

The Problem of Tolls on the St. Lawrence Seaway 

Provincial Premiers 1967-68 — Biographies and auto- 
biographies 

Public Service — Bilingualism/Fonction publique — 
Bilinguisme 

Regional Planning 

Youth in the Society of Today 

The Selected Additions List of recently acquired books 
and the Selected Periodical Articles List were both pre- 
pared and distributed regularly. 

Vertical File and Clipping Service: Inquiries answered 
by this section increased by 35% over the previous year 
to 1,816, but staff changes, re-organizations, and one 
additional clerk made it possible to keep abreast cur- 
rently and also do some file re-organization and prepare 
some books of xeroxed clippings. During 1969-70, 13 
volumes of xerox copies of edited clippings were pre- 
pared (5 on Prime Minister Trudeau, 4 on Canadian 
Defence Policy, 2 on the C.B.C., 1 on the Canadian 
Cabinet, and 1 on the 1st Session of the 28th Parliament), 
154 files were sorted and/or sub-divided, 149 new files 
were opened. As this service grows, the sorting and 
subdividing of files becomes increasingly necessary to 
provide fast service. 

Special and Continuing Projects: 

(1) Speech Index: Work continued on the subject in- 
dex to the collection of speeches of Canadian Ministers 
and Members of Parliament. Speeches by the following 
Ministers and former Ministers have been indexed and 
indexing continues for those still in Parliament. 



Abbott, D. C. 
Basford, Ron 
Benson, E. J. 
Cadieux, Leo 
Chretien, Jean 
Davis, Jack 
Drury, C. M. 
Dub6, J. E. 
Greene, J. J. 
Hellyer, Paul T. 
Kierans, Eric 
Laing, Arthur 



MacEachen, A. J. 
Mclhraith, G. J. 
Mackasey, B. 
Marchand, Jean 
Nicholson, J. R. 
Pearson, Lester B. 
Pelletier, Gerard 
Pepin, J.-L. 
Sauv6, Maurice 
Sharp, Mitchell 
Trudeau, Pierre-EUiott 
Turner, J. N. 
Winters, R. H. 



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(2) Constituency Representation History: Work con- 
tinues on this compilation to include all federal constitu- 
encies prior to the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment 
Act of 1964/65. 

B. Reading Room 

The Parliamentary Reading Room provided 133 daily 
and 562 weekly newspapers of which 26 daily and 14 
weekly were foreign. The circulation of fiction increased 
50% over last year to 4,451. The periodicals also proved 
popular. 

C. Accessions and Cataloguing 

During 1969-70, 11,589 titles were added through pur- 
chase, gifts or exchange. This represents 17,496 volumes 
catalogued and classified and over 107,000 cards filed. 
Some 3,372 volumes were withdrawn as old and no longer 
relevant. 

The value of the work done by our Cataloguing 
Branch was recognized early in 1970, when the National 
Library decided to include in Canadiana the K classifica- 
tion for law, developed in the Library of Parliament 
from the Los Angeles County Law Library Classification, 
and published in 1969. By the end of this fiscal year 113 
copies had been sold. In addition, Canadiana now makes 
partial use of our Subject Headings Used in the French 
Catalogue /Bihliotheque du Parlement: Repertoire des 
Vedettes-Matiere. 

As usual, many welcome gifts were received from em- 
bassies and other donors. China, Cuba, Denmark, Haiti, 
South Africa, Spain, and Thailand were the donor em- 
bassies. Australian books were presented by the Hon- 
ourable Peter Nixon, M.P. in June, 1969, on behalf of 
the Commonwealth Parliament of Australia. The Par- 
liamentary Librarians of Denmark, Italy, and Norway 
provided unexpected and useful items. 

The Honourable Herb Gray, P.C, M.P. was the chief 
parliamentary donor, but Senator John J. Connolly and 
Senator Arthur Roebuck also presented interesting gifts. 
Former members of Parliament, the Hon. Paul Martineau, 
P.C, Q.C., and Mr. Herman Batten, also remembered 
their colleagues by sending useful items. 

To all these, and others unnamed, we again express 
our thanks. 

D. Bindery 

The Library binder was promoted to Chief Library 
Binder when his predecessor resigned. In compliance 
with the government's austerity drive the position of 
Library Binder was then left vacant. With only one 
fully-qualified binder on the staff, the bindery's pro- 
duction was, naturally, reduced and little restoration 
and preservation was possible. Nevertheless, the thi-ee 
remaining staff members kept abreast of the most ur- 
gent work. More suitable accommodation would increase 
production and improve staff conditions. 



2. RESEARCH BRANCH Staff of 18 

A. Individual & General Service 

The Research Branch has continued to work at capac- 
ity; 183 papers were prepared, one more than the year 
before. It was, however, possible to deal with most re- 
quests, though some were passed on to the Reference 
Branch. The main problem was delay. It is not always 
possible to accept a given deadline, and it is not always 
easy for a Parliamentarian to appreciate that a deadline 
must take into account not only the time required to 
prepare the paper but the time before a start can be 
made on it. Research officers carry backlogs of up to 
four, frequently complex, projects, committing them for 
months ahead. Nevertheless, very few requests were 
declined, always because of the deadline and not the 
subject. Even in these cases, requests have usually been 
partially satisfied through the provision of material by 
the Reference Branch. The following work compaurison 
is interesting. 

1969-70 1968-69 
House of Commons 

Liberals 53 55 

P.C. 37 40 

Others 51 41 

Senate 12 20 

Committees & Associations 30 26 



TOTAL 183 



182 



B. Parliamentary Committees 

Work for Committees accounted for only a relatively 
small percentage of requests, but this work tends to be 
intensive and time-consuming, frequently caUing for 
direct participation by research officers in the proceedings 
of the Corrunittee. The need to second an officer to a 
Committee on a full-time basis appears desirable, but 
only increased staff can make this possible. 

Examples of work for Committees follow. The Chief 
of the Research Branch continued to attend the meet- 
ings of, and provide continuing assistance to, the House 
of Conunons Standing Committee on Procedure and Or- 
ganization. He prepared papers on Allocation of Time 
Procedures in the British House of Commons, and The 
Broadcasting of Parliamentary Proceedings by Sound 
and Television: Aspects of Law and Privilege. The Chief 
of the Branch is currently engaged in other background 
research relating to matters referred to the Committee. 
A survey of the Canadian Statutes from the point of 
view of delegated legislative power was prepared for the 
Special Committee on Statutory Instriunents by the 
Assistant Chief of the Branch during the period under 
review as mentioned in our last report. The Branch's 
senior economist provided regular and continuing ser- 
vice to the House of Commons Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. He attended the 
hearings on interest rates and the inflationary problem, 
and summarized the briefs presented to this Committee. 
At the request of the Chairman, he was involved in the 
preparation of the Committee's final report on these 
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particular role was to clarify the continuity in the evi- 
dence presented and to evaluate and analyze the evi- 
dence of each expert witness in the light of the evidence 
presented by the others. 

Two studies were completed for the House of Com- 
mons Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and North- 
ern Development; one on arctic sovereignty, the other a 
summarization of the conclusions of the Hawthorn- 
Tremblay Report relating to the education of Canadian 
Indians. In requesting this latter project, the Chairman 
stated that he was approaching the Research Branch 
"rather than requesting permission to hire a consultant". 

Two research officers prepared five studies for the 
Special Senate Committee on Mass Media and the same 
officers made two visits to Toronto to consult with mem- 
bers of the Committee's research team there. 

Projects were prepared for the Special Senate Com- 
mittee on Poverty on the European approach to the 
redistribution of income; redistribution legislation in 
Canada; problems of female heads of families. 

A paper. Political and Cultural Implications of Direct 
Satellite Broadcasting, was requested by the Chairman 
of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Broad- 
casting, Films and Assistance to the Arts. It was also 
used as the basis of an address by the Chairman to the 
Inter-Parliamentary Union at its Spring 1970 meeting 
in Monaco. The Assistant Chief is currently engaged 
in preparing a study for this Committee on the problem 
relating to Copyright. 



C. Parliamentary Associations 

Work for parliamentary associations continued to 
take a large percentage of the time and energy of the 
Research Branch. The Chief of the Branch was respon- 
sible, in co-operation with the Chief of the Inter-Par- 
liamentary Relations Branch, House of Commons, for 
the preparation and secretarial organization of the Con- 
ference of Commonwealth Speakers and Presiding Offi- 
cers, including the compilation of the agenda, the draft- 
ing of the Conference Rules, and the preparation of 
background papers on certain items of the agenda. He 
headed a team of six which served the Conference from 
September 8 to 12, 1969, and personally attended every 
session. He and another officer prepared the interim and 
final reports of the Conference. 

Until his appointment to the new position of Clerk 
Assistant (Legal) in the House of Commons in October, 
1969, Mr. M. Pelletier worked regularly for L'Association 
intemationale des Parlementaires de langue frangaise, 
and L'Association interparlementaire Canada-France. In 
September, 1969, he attended the meeting of the latter 
association which took place in Jasper. He is missed 
in the Research Branch, of course, but we wish him 
success in his new position, and are proud that the 
Prime Minister should choose as the first appointee to 
this important position a member of the staff of the 
Library of Parliament. 

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3. ADMINISTRATION AND PLANNING 

A. Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament 

Three meetings were held, June 18, 1969, February 26, 
1970, and March 5, 1970. 

The June meeting was chaired by the Honourable the 
Speaker of the Senate, and the Honourable the Speaker 
of the House of Commons, and attended by the Parlia- 
mentary Librarian and the Assistant Librarian. 

Regret was expressed at the death of Senator Clement 
O'Leary, for a number of years a useful member of the 
Committee. 

Items discussed included: 

1 . The Preliminary Automation Survey conducted 
by the Bureau of Management Consulting Services, De- 
partment of Supply and Services, which recommended 
"a wait and see approach before implementing major 
surveys or changes"; 

2 . Provision of Research Assistance to Committees of 
both Houses and the possible expansion of this service; 

3. Amendments to the Library of Parliament Regu- 
lations spelling out more clearly the Parliamentary 
Librarian's powers regarding the disposal of surplus 
items, the making of exchange agreements, closing the 
library and reading room on long holiday week-ends, 
and the prohibition of photography in the library; 

4. The effect of the new National Library Act on the 
Library of Parliament, loss of copyright deposit (Sec- 
tion 15) and loss by the National Library of any right 
to claim Parliamentary property (Section 10); 

5. Change of name of the House of Commons Read- 
ing Room to the Parliamentary Reading Room; 

6. Parliament's Centennial Project, vol. 2, 1869, of 
the Senate and the House of Commons Debates to be 
proceeded with; 

7 . Future meetings to include simultaneous inter- 
pretation. 

The meeting of February 26, 1970, was chaired by the 
Honourable the Speaker of the Senate, and attended 
by the Parliamentsiry Librarian and the Assistant 
Librarian. 

Items discussed included: 

1 . Salary revisions, retiring leave regulations, and 
the 7% language proficiency bonus for eligible and 
qualified secretaries, stenographers, and typists; 

2 . Provision of Research Assistance to Committees of 
both Houses resulting in the unanimous passage of a 
resolution "that 10 more Research Officers be added 
to the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament, 
together with the necessary secretarial support." 

This meeting adjourned abruptly due to a vote in the 
House of Commons. 

The meeting of March 5, 1970, (a continuation of the 
previous meeting) was also chaired by the Honourable 



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the Speaker of the Senate, and attended by the Parlia- 
mentary Librarian and the Assistant Librarian. 

Items considered included: 

1. The Preliminary Automation Survey's recom- 
mendation regarding the possibility of centralizing in- 
dexing services. The Parliamentary Librarian was 
asked to discuss this matter with the Clerks of both 
Houses; 

2. Display of National Treasures of the Library of 
Parliament to be arranged by the Parliamentary Li- 
brarian within the Parliament Buildings subject to cost 
control by both Speakers; 

3. Canadian Weekly newspapers, a lengthy discus- 
sion concluded that the present policy continue; 

4. Sub-Comvnittee for Budget Guidance to study the 
estimates after approval by both Speakers and prior to 
their submission to the Joint Committee for approval 
by the Committee. (A new step); 

5. Research Assistance to Parliamentarians was 
again discussed and will appear on the agenda of the 
next meeting. 

Other items were also discussed, and the meetings 
were useful and interesting. The Parliamentary Li- 
brarian would like to thank all members of the Commit- 
tee who gave so generously of their time and advice 
to assist him in administering the Library. 

B. Autoynation 

The "wait and see" policy recommended by the 
Bureau of Management Consulting Services, Depart- 
ment of Supply and Services, in its report of April 
29, 1969, has been followed. It will be one of the 
particular responsibilities of the new Associate Par- 
liamentary Librarian to follow up this matter with the 
assistance of other staff members to be named later. 

C. Associate Parliamentary Librarian 

As mentioned earlier, this position has now been most 
splendidly filled with the appointment of Mr. Gilles 
Frappier on August 17, 1970, and Parliament is indebted 
to the Prime Minister for the quality of his choice. Mr. 
Frappier's arrival will ensure continuously improving 
service. 

D. The National Library 

The Parliamentary Librarian attended with the Na- 
tional Librarian the 35th General Council Session of 
the International Federation of Library Associations in 
Copenhagen, August 24-30, 1969. With the National 
Librarian he also visited the National and Parliament- 
ary Libraries of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, and 
the British Museum and House of Commons Library 
in London; excellent opportunities to see how national 
and parliamentary libraries co-operate in these countries. 
Again with the National Librarian he visited Oxford's 
Bodleian Library where they were greeted by Dr. 
Robert Shackleton, the new Librarian. 

On January 7, 1970, a group of librarians and senior 
sub-professional employees from the Reference Branch 



of the National Library visited the Library. On Feb- 
ruary 20, 1970, the Assistant Librarian and the Chiefs 
of the Cataloguing and Reference Branches accompanied 
the Parliamentary Librarian to a meeting of heads of 
government libraries at the National Library where the 
National Librarian outlined some of his ideas for the 
rationalization of federal library services. As the Par- 
liamentary Librarian is excluded from this direction, but 
anxious to be well-informed regarding it, the invitation 
of the National Librarian was especially appreciated. 

E. Estimates 

Despite the wish expressed at the March 5. 1970, meet- 
ing of the Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament 
"that if the Estimates of the Library of Parliament were 
to be referred to any Parliamentary committee, it should 
be to the Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament 
only" the Parliamentary Librarian was called before the 
House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure 
and Organization on April 15, 1970, to explain his esti- 
mates. Parliamentarians wiU recall that the previous 
year the Library's estimates were examined by the 
House of Commons Standing Committee on Miscellaneous 
Estimates. 

F. Courses and Conferences 

Several staff members took English or French language 
evening courses. The Parliamentary Librarian attended 
an immersion course in Quebec City July 1-17, 1969, and 
finished the deuxieme degree of the Public Service Com- 
mission French Language course. 

A two-week Public Service Commission Developmental 
Course for Managers and Assistant Mana^rs of Support 
Services was completed by the Assistant Chief Reference 
Librarian. Another reference librarian attended a 2-week 
Public Archives course in micro-recording technology. 
Training seminars at the federal government's Computer 
Services Bureau were attended by other staff members, 
and a cataloguing librarian attended the MARC Institute 
(on machine readable cataloguing developments) _ at the 
University of Toronto. A reference librarian completed a 
Master's level course on Information Storage and Re- 
trieval at the University of Ottawa's School of Library 
Science, and some non-professional staff members com- 
pleted evening courses towards their Bachelor or Master 
of Arts degrees. 

The 1969 Canadian Library Association Conference in 
St. John's, Newfoundland was attended by the Assistant 
Librarian and the Chief of the Cataloguing Branch in 
June. 

Both the Parliamentary Librarian and the Assistant 
Librarian attended the Data Processing Conference spon- 
sored by the Data Processing Institute and the Federal 
Institute of Management in Ottawa February 23-25, 1970. 

The Assistant Librarian attended the Institute of Pro- 
fessional Librarians of Ontario meeting in Toronto May 
23, 1969; the Chief Cataloguing Librarian, the American 
Library Association Pre-Conference Institute on Subject 
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21, 1969; the Parliamentary Librarian, the Copyright 
Conference at Mount Orford September 5-7, 1969, and 
the meetings of the Canadian Micrographic Society in 
Ottawa, October 27-28, 1969. 

G. Staff 

The unexpected resignation of the Library Administra- 
tive Officer in September, 1969, resulted in his replace- 
ment by an even more experienced and more highly 
qualified administrative officer, Mr. A. E. L. (Ted) Lux- 
ton, in November. A former fighter pilot, Mr. Luxton had 
been a member of the Public Service Commission team 
that conducted a survey of the House of Commons staff 
in 1964. As he alone carried out a complete classification 
survey of the Library of Parliament at the request of 
the Speakers in 1965, we were particularly pleased to 
welcome him permanently. 

H. Communications 

Due to the pressure of other work the report on the 
questionnaires sent to all Parliamentarians last year is 
not yet ready, but hopefully, the findings will soon be 
ready for the Joint Committee on the Library of Parlia- 
ment. 



4. PARLIAMENTARY INFORMATION AND ASSIST- 
ANCE BEYOND PARLIAMENT 

A. Parliam.ent's Centennial Project 

Newspaper reports from the 1869 Globe (Toronto) and 
Ottawa Tim.es were xeroxed and forwarded to Dr. Waite. 

B. Indexing of Senate and House oj Commons Committee 
Proceedings and Reports 

Arrangements have now been made for the printing 
of these indexes, but the greatly increased use of Com- 
mittees under the new rules of the House of Commons 
has made it impossible to keep up without additional 
staff. The state of this work is reported in greater detail 
in Section 1 . A. 

C. Surplus Parliamentary Documents 

1,903 volumes of Canadian parliamentary documents 
were supplied to other institutions. Canadian recipients 
included the libraries of the Universities of Alberta, the 
Lakehead, Laurentian, Victoria, and Xavier College, the 
Glenbow-Alberta Institute, the B.C. Law Reform Com- 
mission, the Law Society of Upper Canada, and York 
University Law Library. The Progressive Conservative 
Party Research Office was provided with over 600 vol- 
umes, and some were also supplied to the Privy Council 
Office. A shipment of 141 volumes of Canadian Senate 
and House of Commons Debates was also sent to the 
British Library of Political & Economic Science of the 
London School of Economics. 

D. Visitors 

Many Canadian librarians visited during the year, 
primarily university librarians, but we were particularly 



happy to welcome Mr. Maurice Boone, New Brunswick 
Legislative Librarian. 

Other notable Canadian visitors were the Speaker of 
the Manitoba Legislative Assembly, Mr. Hanuschak, Mr. 
& Mrs. Mordccai Richler, and the Canadian author, il- 
lustrator and publisher, Mr. Nick Mika of Belleville, who 
came to photograph the iron work and wood carving in 
the main reading room for his next book. 

Foreign visitors were also numerous and included dele- 
gates to the meetings of the Commonwealth Speakers 
and Clerks, and other parliamentarians such as Mr. C. 
A. Lokko, Clerk of the National Assembly, Ghana; Mr. 
C. W. Pannila, Clerk Assistant, House of Representatives, 
Ceylon. 

Foreign librarians came from Ceylon, Germany, Thai- 
land, Uganda, and the United States. 

A particularly interesting visitor from Britain was Mr. 
F. W. Torrington, presently assembling a complete set of 
U.K. House of Lords Papers for the Readex Microprint 
Corporation. He found that the Library of Parliament 
has the only known extant copies of a number of these 
important papers. 

During the Special Libraries Association Conference in 
Montreal in June, 1969, 5 Divisions of the S.L.A. re- 
quested and received guided tours of the Library. 

E. International Service 

The Parliamentary Librarian continues as Canadian 
Correspondent for the Inter-Parliamentary Union's Inter- 
national Centre for Parliamentary Documentation in 
Geneva, and for the Parliamentary and Administrative 
Library Section of the International Federation of Library 
Associations in Sevenoaks, England. He is a director of 
the Special Libraries Section of IFLA, and was voting 
delegate for the Canadian Library Association in Copen- 
hagen, 1969. Section 3. D. outlines other useful visits. 

Once again, the Library of Parliament was happy to 
welcome a colleague from overseas; this time Dr. Karl 

E. Hausmann, a Research Officer with the Swiss Parlia- 
ment, who commenced a 2-month period of observation, 
study, and work in the Library on March 9, 1970. Dr. 
Hausmann was in Canada on a grant from the Canada 
Council. 

F. Educational Assistance 

In May, 1969, two students from the University of 
Ottawa School of Library Science, and in March, 1970, 
two students from the University of Toronto School 
of Library Science, spent 2 weeks observing and work- 
ing under direction in the Library. One student worked 
with the Library as part of the Ottawa Collegiate In- 
stitute Board's Work Experience Programme. On Novem- 
ber 21, 1969, students and faculty of the Library Tech- 
nician Program at Cambrian College were shown the 
Library. An art class from the Rideau High School 
visited to make sketches of the carvings and the archi- 
tectural design, and the University of Vermont class 
specializing in Canadian studies paid their annual visit. 



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CONCLUSION 
Finally, we again acknowledge our debt to all the Sen- 
ate, House of Commons, and Public Works employees, 
and all others who helped us to carry on our work with 
a maximum of cheerful efficiency. Without their help 
our efforts would have been less pleasant and less 
effective. 

Respectfully submitted, 
Erik J. Spicer, 
Parliamentary Librarian. 
Library of Parliament 
Ottawa, October 8, 1970. 



By Mr. Olson, a Member of the. Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Canadian Dairy Commission for the 
fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 22 
of the Canadian Dairy Commission Act, chapter 34, 
Statutes of Canada, 1966-67 (English and French) — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/90. 



At 4.30 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Macdonald 
(Rosedale), seconded by Mr. Hogarth, the House ad- 
journed until Tuesday, at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(2) and (3). 



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No. 3 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 13, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. MacEachen, 
seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), it was ordered, — 
That a Special Committee of the House of Commons be 
established to investigate generally the problem of pollu- 
tion in the waters, soil and air of Csinada, and the plans 
of the federal government in relation thereto, with 
powers to report from time to time its observations, 
opinions and recommendations thereon; 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons, 
papers, and records; to sit during sittings and adjourn- 
ments of the House; to print from day to day such papers 
and evidence as may be ordered by the committee; to 
appoint, from among its members, such subcommittees as 
it may deenx advisable or necessary, and to delegate 



thereto all or any of its powers, except the power to 
report directly to the House; 

That the evidence adduced by the Committee during 
the past Session in relation thereto be referred to the 
said Committee; and 

That the Members of the Committee be Messrs. Aiken, 
Anderson, Beaudoin, Comeau, Deakon, Gibson, Givens, 
Haidasz, Knowles (Norfolk-Haldimand), Lachance, Ny- 
strom and Sulatycky. 

Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of questionnaires relating 
to (1) the 1971 Census of the Population (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/1; (2) the 1971 Cen- 



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sus on Housing (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-7/2; (3) The 1971 Census on Agriculture (English 
and French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-7/3. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the motion 
of Mr. Trudel, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — 
That the following Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General of Canada: 

To . His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the 
House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, 
beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency 
for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has 
addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the motion of Mr. Stanfield, seconded by Mr. 
Ricard, in amendment thereto, — That the following be 
added to the Address: 



"but we respectfully regret that because of the indeci- 
sion and the failures of Your Excellency's advisors, 
the "Just Society" is now a "distant ideal"." 

And on the motion of Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan- 
The Islands), seconded by Mr. Lewis, in amendment to 
the said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be 
amended by changing the period at the end thereof to a 
comma, and by adding immediately thereafter the follow- 
ing words: 

"and we regret, in particular, the Government's failure 

(1) to deal effectively with the threat to Canadian 
independence created by the growing foreign owner- 
ship of our economy; 

(2) to provide policies to reduce the high rate of un- 
employment, which is now expected to reach disas- 
trous levels this winter; and 

(3) to introduce a guaranteed income below which no 
Canadian family will be allowed to fall, so as to 
eradicate the poverty which now afflicts at least five 
million Canadians." 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said proposed amendment to the amendment, it was neg- 
atived on the following division: 



Yeas 
Messrs. 



Barnett, 


Fortin, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Mather, 


Saltsman, 


Beaudoin, 


Gauthier, 


North Centre), 


Nystrom, 


Skoberg, 


Broadbent, 


Gleave, 


Lambert 


Peters, 


T^trault, 


Burton, 


Godin, 


(BeUechasse), 


Rodrigue, 


Thomson 


Dionne, 


Harding, 


Lewis, 


Rose, 


(Battleford- 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Howard (Skeena), 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Rowland, 


Kindersley)— 26 


Cowichan-The 










Islands), 




Nays 
Messrs. 






Aiken, 


Chretien, 


Fairweather, 


Howe, 


Lind, 


Alexander, 


Clermont, 


Flemming, 


Hymmen, 


LoiseUe, 


Alkenbrack, 


Comtois, 


Forget, 


IsabeUe, 


Lundrigan, 


Allmand, 


Corbin, 


Francis, 


Jerome, 


MacDonald 


Asselin, 


Cote (Richelieu), 


Gervais, 


Kaplan, 


(Egmont), 


Badanai, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Gibson, 


Lachance, 


Macdonald 


Baldwin, 


Crouse, 


Gillespie, 


Laing (Vancouver 


(Rosedale), 


Barrett, 


Cyr, 


Givenjs, 


South), 


MacEachen, 


Basford, 


Danson, 


Goyer, 


Lambert 


MacGuigan, 


Bechard, 


Davis, 


Gray, 


(Edmonton West), 


Mackasey, 


Benson, 


Deachman, 


Grills, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


MacLean, 


Bigg, 


Deakon, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


Humboldt), 


Macquarrie, 


Borrie, 


Douglas 


Guay (L6vis), 


Langlois, 


McBride, 


Boulanger, 


(Assiniboia), 


Guilbault, 


Laniel, 


McCleave, 


Breau, 


Downey, 


Haidasz, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


McCutcheon, 


Brown, 


Drury, 


Hales, 


Lefebvre, 


McGrath, 


Caccia, 


Dube, 


Harries, 


Legault, 


Mcllraith, 


Cafiik, 


Duquet, 


Hopkins, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Mcintosh, 


Can tin. 


Emard, 


Howard (Okanagan 


Lessard 


McKinley, 


Chappell, 


Ethier, 


Boundary), 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


McNulty, 



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McQuaid, 


Munro, 


Prud'homme, 


Southam, 


Trudeau, 


Mahoney, 


Nesbitt, 


Ricard, 


Stafford, 


Trudel, 


Major, 


Noble, 


Richardson, 


Stan field, 


Turner 


I\Tarceau, 


Noel, 


Ritchie, 


Stewart 


(London East), 


Marchand 


Olson, 


Robinson, 


(Marquette), 


Turner 


(Langelier), 


Otto, 


Rochon, 


Sulatycky, 


(Ottawa -Carleton) , 


Marchand 


Peddle, 


Rock, 


Sullivan, 


Watson, 


(Kamloops- 


Pepin, 


Roy (Laval), 


Thomas 


Weatherhead, 


Cariboo), 


Perrault, 


Schumacher, 


(Maisonneuve), 


Whelan, 


Marshall, 


Portelance, 


Scott, 


Thompson 


Whiting, 


Monteith, 


Pringle. 


Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 


(Red Deer), 


Woolliams, 
Yewchuk — 140. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Borrie for Mr. Francis on the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk 
of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 
3, 1970, for copies of all correspondence between the 



Department of Regional Economic Expansion and the 
Alberta Newstart Corporation regarding the extent of 
financing by the Department for the Newstart project 
for the period January 1, 1968 to January 21, 1970. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
351).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/351. 

By Mr. Pelletier, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of the Canada Council, including the 
Auditor General's Report on the Financial Statements 
of the Council, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, 
pursuant to section 23 of the Canada Council Act, 
chapter 3, Statutes of Canada, 1957. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/80. 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(2). 



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No. 4 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table,— Copies of Order in Council P.C. 
1970-1781, dated October 13, 1970, designating the Hon- 
ourable Robert Knight Andras as the Minister for the 
Purposes of the National Capital Act. (English and 
French).— Sessional Paper No. 283—1/190. 

The following Notice of Motion having been called 
was transferred to Government Orders for considera- 
tion at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 21(2): 

That a Special Joint Committee of the Senate and of 
the House of Commons be appointed to examine and 
report upon proposals, made public, or which are from 
time to time made public by the Government of Can- 
ada, on a number of subjects related to the Constitution 



of Canada during the course of the comprehensive re- 
view of the Constitution of Canada, which review was 
agreed upon at the Constitutional Conference of the 
Prime Minister of Canada and the Premiers and Prime 
Ministers of the Provinces in February, 1968, and al- 
ternative proposals on the same subjects; 

That the Committee have power to appoint, from 
among its members, such sub-committees as it may 
deem advisable or necessary; 

That the Committee have power to sit during sittings 
and adjournments of the House of Commons; 

That the Committee have power to report from time 
to time, to send for persons, papers, and records, and to 
print such papers and evidence from day to day as 
may be ordered by the Committee; 



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That the Committee have power to adjourn from place 
to place within Canada; 

That the quorum of the Committee be 17 members, 
whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken, 
so long as both Houses are represented and that the 
Joint Chairmen be authorized to hold meetings, to 
receive evidence and authorize the printing thereof, 
when 7 members are present so long as both Houses 
are represented; 

That the Committee be empowered to retain the ser- 
vices of three specialists to assist it in its work; and 
that it also be empowered to retain the clerical and 
stenographic help deemed advisable by the Joint Chair- 
men; 

That the papers and evidence received and taken on 
the subject in the preceding session be referred to the 
Committee and made part of the records thereof; 

That the following Members be appointed to act on 
behalf of the House of Commons on the Special Joint 
Committee, namely: Messrs. Alexander, Allmand, As- 
selin, Breau. Brewin, Dinsdale, Fairweather, Fortin, 
Gibson, Hogarth, Hopkins, Lachance, MacGuigan, Mar- 
ceau, McQuaid, Osier, Ouellet, Roberts, Rowland and 
Woolliams; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint 
Their Honours thereof. — The President of the Privy 
Council. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland Mich- 
ener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order 
of Canada upon whom has been conferred the Canadian 
Forces' Decoration, Governor General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the 
House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, 
beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency 
for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has 
addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the motion of Mr. Stanfield, seconded by Mr. 
Ricard, in amendment thereto, — That the following be 
added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that because of the in- 
decision and the failures of Your Excellency's ad- 
visors, the "Just Society" is now a "distant ideal"." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Fortin, seconded by Mr. Lambert (Bellechasse), 
moved in anaendment to the said proposed amendment, — 



That the amendment be amended by changing the 
period at the end thereof to a comma, and by adding 
immediately thereafter the following words: 

"and we regret, in particular, the Government's fail- 
ure to increase family allowances as a first step to 
introducing a guaranteed annual income which would 
make it easier to establish a just society." 

And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4)(b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Francis for Mr. Badanai on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

Messrs. Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo) and Mr. Orange 
for Messrs. Chappell and Hogarth on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Supplementary return to an Order of the 
House, dated April 15, 1970, (Question No. 162), showing: 

1. For the years 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 and 1969 (o) 
which and how many non-resident owned or controlled 
firms have been awarded financial grants or incentives 
under the Program for the Advancement of Industrial 
Technology administered by the Department of Industry, 
Trade and Commerce and (b) in each case, what was 
the total financial grant or incentive allotted? - 

2. For the same years (a) which and how many Cana- 
dian owned or controlled fimTis have been awarded 
financial grants under the Program for the Advancement 
of Industrial Technology and (b) in each case, what 
was the total financial grant or incentive allotted? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/162. 

By Mr. MacEachen, Supplementary return to an Or- 
der of the House, dated June 26, 1970, (Question No. 
163), showing: 

1. For the years 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 and 1969 (a) 
how many and which non-resident owned or controlled 
firms have been awarded financial grants under the 
designated area incentive program, formerly adminis- 
tered by the Department of Industry, Trade and Com- 
merce but now administered by the Department of 
Regional Economic Expansion (b) in each case, what 
was the total financial grant or incentive allotted? 

2. For the same years (a) which and how many Cana- 
dian owned or controlled firms have been awarded 



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financial grants under the designated area incentive pro- 
gram, and (b) in each case, what was the total financial 
grant or incentive allotted? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/ 
163. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the 
House, dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of all cor- 
respondence exchanged from January, 1968 to March, 
1970, dealing with pollution control between the De- 
partment of Energy, Mines and Resources and the 
following Companies: Procter and Gamble Ltd., Lever 
Bros. Ltd. and The Colgate-Palmolive Company Ltd. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
396). —Sessional Paper No. 283-3/396. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of all letters, tele- 
grams, briefs or other documents dated since the 1st 
of July, 1969, exchanged between the Minister or any 
official of the Department of National Health and Wel- 
fare and any person or organization regarding grants 
in aid of cancer research. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 404). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/404. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Address, dated 
October 7, 1970, to His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral, for copies of all reports, studies, etc., discussed at 
the recent four day meeting held at Montebello, Quebec 
between United States and Canadian Government 
scientists to discuss Arctic research problems sponsored 
by the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern De- 
velopment. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 455). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/455. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for copies of all correspondence, 
reports, briefs and other documents submitted to the 
Government of Canada regarding the construction and 
equipping of a federal building in Victoriaville, Que- 
bec. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 263).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/263. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Address, dated 
October 7, 1970, to His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral, for a copy of an agreement between the Govern- 
ment of Canada and the Government of Saskatchewan 
providing for the joint sharing of capital costs for the 
development of provincial parks in Saskatchewan dur- 
ing 1970-71 and 1971-72. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 517). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/517. 



former owners of Place du Portage in Hull, Quebec 
In relation to the rental of space by the Government 
of Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 60).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/60. 

By Mr. MacEachen,— Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of a list of all United 
States firms exporting to Canada, products under the 
Canada-U.S. Defence Production Sharing Agreement 
from its Inception in 1959 to November 30, 1969, listing 
the specific materials and components coming into 
Canada and the dollar aggregates involved. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 288). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-3/288. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of the survey on the 
retail prices of nineteen commonly prescribed drugs 
undertaken by the Department of Consumer and Cor- 
porate Affairs as mentoned by the Minister of Consumer 
and Corporate Affairs in his speech before the Federal- 
Provincial Conference, June 10-12, 1970. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 519). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-3/519. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Address, dated 
October 7, 1970, to His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral, for copies of the exchange of information between 
the Government of the United States and the Govern- 
ment of Canada on the results of the United States 
nuclear explosion underground in the North Pacific 
as mentioned by the Secretary of State for Ex- 
ternal Affairs in Hansard on February 11 at pages 
3481-3482.— (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 369) .—Sessional Paper No. 283-3/369. 

By Mr. Marchand, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report on the Operation of the Regional De- 
velopment Incentives Act for the period September 1 
to September 30, 1970, pursuant to section 16 of the said 
Act, chapter 56, Statutes of Canada 1968-69. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/329. 

By Mr. Turner, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — General Orders of the Judges of the Supreme 
Court of Canada, dated January 26, 1970 and June 19, 
1970, amending the Rules of the Supreme Court of 
Canada, pursuant to section 103(4) of the Supreme 
Court Act, chapter 259, R.S.C. 1952. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/246. 



By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of all correspondence 
between the Department of Public Works and the 



By unanimous consent at 5.57 o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 11.00 
o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 15, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, not- 
withstanding the provisions of Standing Order 38(2), 
the House shall take up the consideration of a motion 
to appoint a Special Joint Committee to consider sub- 
jects related to the Constitution; provided that this 
sitting shall continue to be deemed the fourth appointed 
day of the Address Debate and that the period of time 
used in the consideration of the said motion shaU be 
added to the allotted days on the Address Debate. 



Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rose- 
dale), moved, — That a Special Joint Committee of the 
Senate and of the House of Commons be appointed to 
examine and report upon proposals, made public, or 
which are from time to time made public by the Gov- 
ernment of Canada, on a number of subjects related to 
the Constitution of Canada during the course of the 



comprehensive review of the Constitution of Canada, 
which review was agreed upon at the Constitutional 
Conference of the Prime Minister of Canada and the 
Premiers and Prime Ministers of the Provinces in Feb- 
ruary, 1968, and alternative proposals on the same sub- 
jects; 

That the Committee have power to appoint, from 
among its members, such sub-committees as it may deem 
advisable or necessary; 

That the Committee have power to sit during sittings 
and adjournments of the House of Commons; 

That the Committee have power to report from time 
to time, to send for persons, papers, and records, and to 
print such papers and evidence from day to day as may 
be ordered by the Committee; 

That the Committee have jxjwer to adjourn from place 
to place within Canada; 



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That the quorum of the Committee be 17 members, 
whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken, 
so long as both Houses are represented and that the 
Joint Chairmen be authorized to hold meetings, to re- 
ceive evidence and authorize the printing thereof, when 
7 members are present so long as both Houses are repre- 
sented; 

That the Committee be empowered to retain the 
services of three specialists to assist it in its work; and 
that it also be empowered to retain the clerical and 
stenographic help deemed advisable by the Joint Chair- 
man; 

That the papers and evidence received and taken on 
the subject in the preceding session be referred to the 
Committee and made part of the records thereof; 

That the following Members be appointed to act on 
behalf of the House of Commons on the Special Joint 
Committee, namely: Messrs. Alexander, Allmand, 
Asselin, Breau, Brewin, Dinsdale, Fairweather, Fortin, 
Gibson, Hogarth, Hopkins, Lachance, MacGuigan, Mar- 
ceau, McQuaid, Osier, Ouellet, Roberts, Rowland and 
Woolliams; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their 
Honours thereof. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland Mich- 
ener. Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order 



of Canada upon whom has been conferred the Canadian 
Forces' Decoration, Governor General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the 
House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, 
beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency 
for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has 
addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the motion of Mr. Stanfield, seconded by Mr. 

Ricard, in amendment thereto, — That the following be 

added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that because of the in- 
decision and the failures of Your Excellency's ad- 
visors, the "Just Society" is now a "distant ideal"." 

And on the motion of Mr. Fortin, seconded by Mr. 
Lambert (Bellechasse), in amendment to the said pro- 
posed amendment, — That the amendment be amended 
by changing the period at the end thereof to a comma, 
and by adding immediately thereafter the following 
words: 

"and we regret, in particular, the Government's failure 
to increase family allowances as a first step to intro- 
ducing a guaranteed annual income which would make 
it easier to establish a just society." 

After further debate; at 9.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker 
interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing 
Order 38(4); 

And the question being put on the said proposed 
amendment to the amendment, it was negatived on the 
following division: 



Barnett, 
Brewin, 
Caouette, 
Dionne, 



Douglas (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Fortin, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Gauthier, 
Godin, 
Harding, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), 

Nays 

Messrs. 



Laprise, 
Lewis, 

Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
Matte, 
Nystrom, 



Peters, 
Rodrigue, 
Rondeau, 
Rose, 
Saltsman — 20. 



Aiken, 


Blouin, 


Comtois, 


Dnuy, 


Giveno, 


Alkenbrack, 


Borrie, 


Corbin, 


Dube, 


Goyer, 


Allmand, 


Brown, 


C6t6 (Longueuil), 


Duquet, 


Gray, 


Anderson, 


Buchanan, 


Grouse, 


fithier. 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


Asselin, 


Caccia, 


Cihillen, 


Fairweather, 


Guilbault, 


Badanai, 


Cafik, 


Cyr, 


Faulkner, 


Haidasz, 


Baldwin, 


ChappeU, 


Danson, 


Flemming, 


Hsdes, 


Barrett, 


Chretien, 


Davis, 


ForrestaU, 


Harries, 


Basford, 


Clermont, 


Deachman, 


Foster, 


Hees, 


Bechard, 


Coates, 


Deakon, 


Francis, 


Hopkins, 


Beer, 


Cobbe, 


Diefenbaker, 


Gibson, 


Howe, 


Benson, 


Code, 


Dinsdale, 


Gillespie, 


Jerome, 


Bigg, 


Comeau, 


Douglas (Assiniboia), 




Kaplan, 



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Kierans, 

Lachance, 

Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 
La Salle, 

Leblanc GL.aurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimoiiski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSaUe), 
Lessard 

( Lac-Saint- Jean) , 
MacDonald 

(Egmont), 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 



MacGuigan, 

Mackasey, 

MacLean, 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBride, 

McCleave, 

McCutcheon, 

McGrath, 

Mcllraith, 

Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 

McNulty, 

McQuaid, 

Mahoney, 

Marceau, 

Mai-chand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 



MonteJth, 

Morison, 

Mvmro, 

Nesbitt, 

Nielsen, 

Noble, 

Noel, 

O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Otto, 

Ouellet, 

Pelletier, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Richardson, 

Ritchie, 

Robinson, 



And the question being put on the amendment to the 
main motion, it was negatived on the following division: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Asselin, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Bigg, 

Brewin, 

Coates, 

Code, 

Comeau, 

Crouse, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 



Douglas (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Fairweather, 

Flemming, 

ForrestaU, 

Hales, 

Harding, 

Hees, 

Howe, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
La Salle, 
Lewis, 
MacDonald 

(Egmont), 
Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
MacRae, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 

Nays 
Messrs. 



Rochon, 

Rock, 

Roy (Laval), 

Ryan, 

Schumacher, 

Sharp, 

Smerchanski, 

Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Southam, 
Stafford, 
Stanfield, 
Stewart 

(Marquette), 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
Sullivan, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 



McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 

McQuaid, 

Monteith, 

Nesbitt, 

Nielsen, 

Noble, 

Nystrom, 

Peters, 

Ritchie, 

Rose, 



Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Tohnie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Valade, 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
WooUiams, 
Yanakis — 150. 



Ryan, 

Saltsman, 

Schumacher, 

Southam, 

Stanfield, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Valade, 
WooUiams — 53. 



Allmand, 


Comtois, 


Gibson, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Marchand 


Anderson, 


Corbin, 


Gillespie, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


(Langelier), 


Badanai, 


C6t6 (Longueuil), 


Givens, 


Lefebvre, 


Marchand 


Barrett, 


Cullen, 


Goyer, 


Legault, 


(Kamloops- 


Basford, 


Cyr, 


Gray, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Cariboo), 


B6chard, 


Danson, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


Lessard 


Morison, 


Beer, 


Davis, 


Guilbault, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Mvmro, 


Benson, 


Deachman, 


Haidasz, 


Macdonald 


Noel, 


Blouin, 


Deakon, 


Harries, 


(Rosedale), 


O'Connell, 


Borrie, 


Douglas 


Hopkins, 


MacEachen, 


Olson, 


Brown, 


(Assiniboia), 


Jerome, 


MacGuigan, 


Otto, 


Buchanan, 


Drury, 


Kaplan, 


Mackasey, 


OueUet, 


Caccia, 


Dub6, 


Kierans, 


McBride, 


Pelletier, 


Cafik, 


Duquet, 


Lachance, 


Mcllraith, 


Pepin, 


Chappell, 


fithier, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


McNulty, 


Perrault, 


Chretien, 


Faulkner, 


Humboldt), 


Mahoney, 


Portelance, 


Clermont, 


Foster, 


Langlois, 


Marceau, 


Pringle, 


Cobbe, 


Francis, 


Laniel, 




Prud'homme, 



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Richardson, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 

Roy (Laval), 

ShJirp, 

Smerchanski, 



Smith, 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
St. Pierre, 
Svilatycky, 
Sullivan, 



Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 
Rosemont), 

Tolmie, 

Trudeau, 

Trudel, 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows; 

Messrs. Lessard (LaSaUe), Douglas (Assiniboia) , 
Prud'homme, Smith (Saint-Jean) and Cobbe for Messrs. 
Hogarth, Osier, Ouellet, Roberts and Breau on the Special 
Joint Ck)minittee on the Constitution. 

Messrs. Lefebvre and McNulty for Messrs. Marceau 
and Prud'homme on the Special Joint Committee on the 
Constitution. 



Retur-ns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 



Watson, 

Weatherhead, 

Whelan, 

Whicher, 

Whiting, 

Yanakis— 108, 



By Mr. Greene, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General,— 
Report on the Administration of the Emergency Gold 
Mining Assistance Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 
1970, pursuant to section 10 of the said Act, chapter 95, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French) .—Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/131. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council,— Order in Council P.C. 1970-650, dated April 14, 
1970, amending the Yukon and Northwest Territories 
Councils Elections Fees Tariff made by Order in Covmcil 
P.C. 1964-99, dated January 23, 1964, as amended, pur- 
suant to section 60(2) of the Canada Elections Act, 
chapter 39, Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English and 
French) .—Sessional Paper No. 283-7/4. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., piursuant to Standing 
Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 16, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — (1) Copies of Order in Council 
P.C. 1970-1807, dated October 16, 1970, directing that a 
proclamation do issue proclaiming that apprehended in- 
siUTection exists and has existed as and from the 
fifteenth day of October, one thousand nine hundred 
and seventy. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-7/5A. 

(2) Copies of a proclamation dated October 16, 1970, 
declaring that apprehended insurrection exists and has 
existed as and from the fifteenth day of October, one 
thousand nine hundred and seventy. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/5. 

(3) Copies of Order in Council P.C. 1970-1808, dated 
October 16, 1970, relating to Regulations to provide 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-7/5B. 



Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 43, Mr. 
Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), 
moved, — That the House approves the action of the gov- 
ernment in invoking the powers of the War Measures 
Act to meet the state of apprehended insurrection in 
the Province of Quebec as communicated to the Prime 
Minister by the Government of Quebec and the civic 
authorities of Montreal and further approves the orders 
and regulations tabled today by the Prime Minister on 
the clear understanding that the proclamation invoking 
the powers as contained in the regulations wiU be re- 
voked on or before April 30, 1971 unless a resolution 
authorizing their extension beyond the date specified 
has been approved by the House. 

And debate arising thereon; 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Trudeau laid upon the 
Table,— (1) Copy of a letter, dated October 16, 1970, 
addressed to the Prime Minister of Canada by the Prime 



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October 16, 1970 



Minister of the Province of Quebec, requesting emergency 
powers. (French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-5/164. 

(2) Copy of a letter, dated October 15, 1970, addressed 
to the Prime Minister of Canada by the President of the 
Executive Committee and the Mayor of the City of 
Montreal requesting assistance from superior levels of 
government. (French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-5/164A. 

(3) Copy of a letter dated October 15, 1970, addressed 
to the Mayor and the President of the Executive Com- 
mittee of the City of Montreal by the Director of the 
Police Department of the City of Montreal, requesting 
the assistance of superior levels of government. 
(French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-5/164B. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said 
letters be printed as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 

Debate continued on the motion of Mr. Trudeau, 
seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), — That the 
House approves the action of the government in invok- 
ing the powers of the War Measures Act to meet the 
state of apprehended insurrection in the Province of 
Quebec as communicated to the Prime Minister by the 
Government of Quebec and the civic authorities of 
Montreal and further approves the orders and regula- 
tions tabled today by the Prime Minister on the clear 
understanding that the proclamation invoking the powers 
as contained in the regulations will be revoked on or 
before April 30, 1971 unless a resolution authorizing 
their extension beyond the date specified has been 
approved by the House. 

And debate continuing; 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That this 
day's sitting be interrupted at 5.00 o'clock p.m., and 
be resumed at 7.30 o'clock p.m. 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Trudeau, 
seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton). — That the 
House approves the action of the government in invok- 
ing the powers of the War Measures Act to meet the 
state of apprehended insurrection in the Province of 
Quebec as communicated to the Prime Minister by the 
Government of Quebec and the civic authorities of 
Montreal and further approves the orders and regula- 
tions tabled today by the Prime Minister on the clear 
understanding that the proclamation invoking the powers 
as contained in the regulations wUl be revoked on or 
before April 30, 1971 unless a resolution authorizing 
their extension beyond the date specified has been 
approved by the House. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Aiken, proposed to 
move in amendment thereto, — That the motion be 
amended by striking out all the words after "that" and 
adding the following: 

"the government should forth-w^th introduce legisla- 
tive proposals to meet the conditions referred to in the 
motion." 



RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Without going into the details of the 
situation I am sure the honourable Member for Peace 
River, who knows so much about rules. Standing Orders 
and precedents, will agree that it is difficult for the 
Chair to accept this interesting amendment from a 
procedural standpoint. I indicated to honourable Mem- 
bers before the House rose that in my view this mo- 
tion brought in an entirely new proposition. I concluded 
that on this basis the amendment was not acceptable. 
In support of this view I refer honourable Members to 
Beauchesne's fourth edition, citation 203, paragraph (5) 
which reads: 

"An amendment was ruled out because it raised a new 
question which could only be considered on a distinct 
motion after notice." 

This is the suggestion I respectfully make to the hon- 
ourable Member at this time. I also refer honourable 
Members to citation 202(12) which reads as follows: 

"An amendment proposing a direct negative, is out of 
order." 

Honourable Members realize that the way to express 
their approval of a motion before the House is to 
vote against it rather than to propose an amendment 
which is in fact a direct negative. I will spare honour- 
able Members other citations with which I was occupied 
during the dinner hour. 

I am not suggesting that the motion now before the 
House cannot be amended. I have no doubt that it can. 
I certainly do not want to use the rules to prevent legi- 
timate amendments, but in the case of this suggested 
amendment, I respectfully submit to honourable Mem- 
bers that it cannot be put at this time. 



By unanimous consent it was ordered, — That this day's 
sitting be terminated at 10.00 o'clock p.m.; that the House 
shall meet at 11.00 o'clock a.m. Saturday, October 17, 
1970, rise at 1.00 o'clock p.m. and resume at 2.00 o'clock 
Tp.ra. and continue to sit until all members, who wish to 
do so, have spoken on the motion iiow before the House, 
when it will be deemed that a recorded division has been 
demanded and deferred until after Routine Proceedings 
on Monday, October 19, 1970, provided that Monday's 
sitting shall be the fifth appointed day for the Address 
Debate, and the House shall meet at 11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Trudeau, 
seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), — That the 
House approves the action of the government in invoking 
the powers of the War Measures Act to meet the state 
of apprehended insurrection in the Province of Quebec 
as communicated to the Prime Minister by the Govern- 
ment of Quebec and the civic authorities of Montreal 
and further approves the orders and regulations tabled 
today by the Prime Minister on the clear understanding 
that the proclamation invoking the powers as contained 
in the regulations will be revoked on or before April 30, 
1971 unless a resolution authorizing their extension be- 
yond the date specified has been approved by the House. 



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Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Marceau, Hogarth, Osier, Breau, Prud'homme 
and Laprise for Messrs. Lefebvre (Lasalle), Douglas 
(Assiniboia), Cobbe, Smith (Saint-Jean) and Fortin on 
the Special Joint Committee on the Constitution of 
Canada. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Can- 
ada, Volume II, Annual Statements of Fire and Casualty 
Insurance Companies, for the year ended December 31, 
1969, pursuant to section 9 of the Department of Insur- 
ance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-1/166. 



At 10.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Saturday, October 17, 1970 at 11.00 o'clock a.m., 
pursuant to Special Order made earlier this day. 



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No. 7 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Tiurner (Ottawa-Carleton), — 
That the House approves the action of the government 
in invoking the powers of the War Measures Act to 
meet the state of apprehended insurrection in the Prov- 
ince of Quebec as communicated to the Prime Minister 
by the Government of Quebec and the civic authorities 
of Montreal and further approves the orders and regu- 
lations tabled today by the Prime Minister on the clear 
understanding that the proclamation invoking the powers 
as contained in the regulations will be revoked on or 
before April 30, 1971 unless a resolution authorizing 
their extension beyond the date specified has been 
approved by the House. 

And debate continuing; 



Mr. Coates, seconded by Mr. Hales, moved in amend- 
ment thereto, — That the motion be amended by deleting 
therefrom "April 30, 1971" and substituting therefor 
"October 30, 1970". 

And debate arising thereon; 

A recorded division was deemed to have been de- 
manded and deferred until after Routine Proceedings on 
Monday, October 19, 1970, piursuant to Special Order 
made Friday, October 16, 1970. 



At 1.06 o'clock a.m. Sunday, October 18, 1970, Mr. 
Speaker adjourned the House until Monday, October 19, 
1970, at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(2). 



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33 



No. 8 




OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, OCTOBER 19, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Jamieson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave 
of the House, introduced Bill C-2, An Act to amend the 
Canada Shipping Act, which was read the first time 
and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Canada 
Shipping Act to provide for the establishment in the 
Consolidated Revenue Fund of an account to be known 
as the Maritime Pollution Claims Fund, and for the 
appointment, tenure of office, duties and powers of an 
Administrator of the Fund and for the costs and ex- 
penses incurred by the Administrator; to provide for 
the making of regulations prohibiting discharge from 
ships of pollutants; to provide for the appointment and 



powers of pollution control officers and analysts; to pro- 
vide for civO liability resulting f om the discharge of 
pollutants and the assessment of ir^ ^me losses by fisher- 
men; to provide also for payments into . . 1 out of the 
Fund; and to provide further for other matlers related 
to the administration of new Part XIX of the Canada 
Shipping Act. 

Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave oi! 
the House, introduced Bill C-3, An Act respecting in- 
vestment companies, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing BUI is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting investment 



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October 19, 1970 



companies, to provide for the filing of statements and 
information, the qualifications and duties of auditors of 
the said companies, the limitations on transfer of shares; 
to provide for the making of short term loans by the 
Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation to the sales 
finance companies and the conditions and limitations 
therefor as specified in the said measure and for pay- 
ments out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to the said 
Corporations for such purposes; to provide also that the 
Superintendent of Insurance may appoint or designate 
examiners for the purposes of the measure; and to pro- 
vide fiurther for related provisions in connection with 
the administration of the Act. 



Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave of 
the House, introduced Bill C-4, An Act to amend the 
Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House a measure to amend the Emergency Gold 
Mining Assistance Act to extend its application to June 
30; 1973. 



Mr. Marchand (Langelier), seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-5, An 
Act to authorize the making of a grant to the Province 
of Nova Scotia for the purpose of providing assistance 
to Deuterium of Canada Limited, which was read the 
first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to provide for the 
making of a grant of five million dollars out of the 
Consolidated Revenue Fund to the province of Nova 
Scotia for the purpose of providing assistance to Deu- 
terium of Canada Limited; and the conditions thereof. 



The Order being read for the taking of the deferred 
division oh the motion of Mr. Trudeau, seconded by 
Mr. Turner ^ (Ottawa-Carleton), — That the House ap- 
proves the action of the government in invoking the 
powers of the War Measures Act to meet the state of 
apprehended insurrection in the Province of Quebec as 
communicated to the Prime Minister by the Govern- 
ment of Quebec and the civic authorities of Montreal 
and further approves the orders and regulations tabled 
today by the Prime Minister on the clear understanding 
that the proclamation invoking the powers as contained 
in the regulations will be revoked on or before April 
30, 1971 unless a resolution authorizing their extension 
beyond the date specified has been approved by the 
House. 

And on the motion of Mr. Coates, seconded by Mr. 
Hales, in amendment thereto, — That the motion be 
amended by deleting therefrom "April 30, 1971" and 
substituting therefor "October 30, 1970". 

By unanimous consent, the said proposed amendment 
was withdrawn. 

And the question being put on the main motion, it 
was agreed to on the following division: 



Aiken,- 

Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Allmand, 

Anderson,- 

Andras, 

Asselin, 

Badanai, 

Baldwin, 

Barrett,. 

Basford, 

Beaudoin, 

Bechard, ■ 

Benson, 

Bigg, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Brown, - 

Buchanan, 



Caccia,' 
Cadieu,- 
Cafik, ■ 
Caouette, 
Carter, - 
Chappell, 
Chretien, - 
Clermont,- 
Coates, - 
Code, 
Comeau, 
Comtois,- 
Corbin, 

Cote (Richelieu),' 
Cote (Longueuil), 
Crouse, 
Cullen, 
Cyr, • 
Danf orth, ' 
Danson, 
Deachman, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Deakon, ' 
Diefenbaker, 
Dionne, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, ■- 
Dub6, . 
Duquet, • 
Faulkner, 
Flemming, 
Forget, 
Forrestall, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gauthier, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Givens, 
Goode, 



' Goyer, 
Gray, 
Greene, 
Grills, 
Groos, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guay (Levis), 
Guilbault, 
Haidasz, 
Hales, 
HaiTies, 
Hees, 
Hogarth, 
Hopkins, 
Horner, 
Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Howard (Skeena), 
Howe, 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 



■ Jamieson, 

Jerome, 

Kaplan, 

Kierans, 

■ Knowles (Norf oik- 
Hal dimand), 

Korchinski, 

Lachance, 

Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 

Lang (Saskatoon- 
Humboldt), 

Langlois, 

- Laniel, 

- Laprise, 
La SaUe, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSaUe), 



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Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 

Lundrigan, 
MacDonald 

(Egmont), 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
MacEwan, 
MacGuigan, 
Maclnnis (Cape 

Breton-East 

Richmond), 
Mackasey, 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
McBride, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 
McGrath, 
Mcllraith, 



Barnett, 
Brewin, 
Broadbent, 
Burton, 



' Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 

McNulty, 

Mahoney, 

Major, 

Marceau, 

Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Marshall, 

Mather, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Morison, 

Munro, 

Nesbitt, 

Noble, 

Noel, 

Nowlan, 



Douglas (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Gilbert, 



O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Orange, 

Osier, 

Ouellet, 

Pelletier, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Ricard, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Nays 
Messrs. 

Harding, 

Khowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Lewis, 



Ryan, 

Saltsman, 

Schumacher, 

Scott, 

Sharp, 

Skoreyko, 

Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanfleld, 

Stewart (Cochrane), 
Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Sullivan, 
T6trault, 



Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
Nystrom, 
Orlikow, 
Peters, 



Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Valade, 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
Winch, 
Woolliams, 
Yanakis, 
Yewchuk — 190. 



Rose, 

Skoberg, 

Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley) — 16. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, 
the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assem- 
bled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your 
Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excel- 
lency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 



After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of Wednesday, 
October 14, 1970, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations 
Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (EngUsh and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/342. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 



At 10.23 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until 
tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(2). 



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No. 9 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Agreed, — That when this House rises at 1.00 o'clock 
p.m. the sitting shall stand suspended until 8.00 o'clock 
pjn. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: It has been the practice at the outset of 
the past several sessions to give, by unanimous consent, 
First Reading in a group to the numerous Public Bills 
standing for introduction by private Members and thereby 
allow such bills to proceed to the Second Reading Stage 
with a caveat to the effect that every bill would be 
examined by the Chair before it is proposed for Second 
Reading in order to ensure that each bill met the re- 
quirements of the rules and practices of the House. 

The reason for such a procedure is the great number 
of bills which have been received and which, on this 
occasion, has reached an all time record. Time did not 
afford an opportunity to examine the bills in detail. Be- 
fore suggesting to the House that this procedure and 



practice be followed again this year I should like to 
make a few references to certain procedures which seem 
to be evolving in connection with such private Members' 
bills. In the first instance, the number of bills being 
introduced far exceeds the number of opportunities that 
will be provided for the consideration of such bills in 
this session. In like manner some members have given 
notice of several or more biUs. In one case an honourable 
Member has filed notice of more than 40 private Mem- 
bers' bills in his name. I do not like to suggest in any 
way that it is not the honourable Members' right to do 
so. The rules as they stand at present allow any honour- 
able Member to propose for consideration by the House 
any number of private bills. 

Inevitably, however, the bills proposed by that hon- 
ourable Member, or by that particular honourable Mem- 
ber, will take up a disproportionate share of the time 
allotted for the consideration of private Members' bills. 



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Another related factor is that a great number of bills 
that cannot be considered in this session will have been 
printed at considerable cost. It is for honourable Mem- 
bers to determine whether it is advisable to continue 
the practice where so many bills receive the usual pro 
forma First Reading and order for printing at substan- 
tial expense when Standing Orders will prevent most 
of these bills from ever being considered in the House. 
It is obvious that in many cases there is much value 
to having private bills circulated and considered by 
honourable Members of the House and interested mem- 
bers of the public. There are arguments on both sides 
of the question. The fact remains that from year to 
year there is an ever increasing proportion of private 
bills proposed by honourable Members that will never 
come before the House for consideration and debate. 

The Standing Committee on Organization and Pro- 
cedure may wish to have a look at the situation to de- 
termine whether a better procedure might be devised 
for the consideration of such bills. 

Another aspect of the matter is that there is an in- 
creasing tendency to include money provisions in private 
Members' bills. Honourable Members know that the time 
honoured practice has been to include such proposals in 
the form of a private Member's motion rather than in a 
bill. 

In many cases in the past, in order to meet the con- 
venience of honourable Members, the consideration of 
the Second Reading of such bills was entered upon. It 
seems to the Chair that such procedure is not good 
Parliamentary practice. 

May I enumerate a number of bills which, at first 
glance, appear to include money provisions. Initially, 
there is a bill entitled an Act respecting the employment 
of women in federal jurisdiction before and after child- 
birth, standing in the name of the honourable Member 
for Vancouver-Kingsway (Mrs. Maclnnis). Then there 
is an Act to amend the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement 
Act and also an Act to amend the BNA Acts 1867 to 1965. 
Then there is an Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan, 
standing in the name of the honourable Member for 
Hillsborough (Mr. Macquarrie); an Act to establish a 
Newfoundland tunnel authority, standing in the name of 
the honourable Member for Humber-St. George's-St. 
Barbe (Mr. Marshall); an Act to amend the Atlantic 
Freight Assistance Act, standing in the name of the hon- 
ourable Member for Moncton (Mr. Thomas); an Act 
respecting fares for disabled persons on federal modes of 
transport, standing in the name of the honourable Mem- 
ber for Oxford (Mr. Nesbitt) ; an Act to amend the Na- 
tional Housing Act, standing in the name of the hon- 
ourable Member for Hamilton West (Mr. Alexander) ; and 
an Act to provide for the constitution of a federal trans- 
port conrmiission of inquiry, standing in the name of the 
honourable Member for Dartmouth-Halifax East (Mr. 
ForrestaU) . 



There are many other such bills, and I am sure hon- 
ourable Members would not want me to go through the 
whole list. I will stop my enumeration here. 

The Chair considers that in the drafting of bills more 
care should be exercised to ensure that financial pro- 
visions are not included in such bills. When the afore- 
mentioned bills and any others which, on closer exam- 
ination, appear to contain financial provisions are called 
for debate, I propose to examine the question of whether 
or not such bills are in order from a procedural stand- 
point. 

At that time honourable Members who have sponsored 
these bills will have an opportunity to satisfy the Chair 
that the bills are in order from such standpoint before 
proceeding to a substantive argument about the merits 
of the bills. 

I apologize to honourable Members for taking up so 
much of their time but this is a matter which, as they 
know, has given some past worry to a number of hon- 
ourable Members interested in the procedural aspects of 
the matter. 

Finally, may I refer to the practice which has been 
developing in some cases of including as purported ex- 
planatory notes to the provisions of such bills what are, 
in reality, matters of debate. In one instance there is 
included, as an explanatory note, a statement of some 
length made April 20, 1970, by the occupant of the Chair. 
That statement may have a place in our proceedings but 
it does not strike me as providing an explanation of any 
provision of the bill to which it refers. In another case 
there is an interesting quotation of six or more para- 
graphs from a statement made in 1796 by George 
Washington. 

With all due respect to that late, great and honoured 
gentleman I suggest that the inclusion of such material 
under the guise of an explanatory note offends the rules 
of this House. 

May I conclude by asking the House whether there is 
unanimous consent to order that all private Members' 
bills listed on today's Order Paper be deemed to have 
been, introduced, given First Reading, ordered to be 
printed and allowed to stand for a Second Reading at 
the next sitting of the House, subject of course to a 
subsequent examination as to the regularity of each bill. 



Accordingly, by unanimous consent, the following bills 
were deemed to have been introduced, read the first time 
and ordered to be printed, and ordered for a second read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill C-6, An Act respecting the Employment of Women 
in Federal Jurisdiction before and after Childbirth.— 
Mrs. Maclnnis. 



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Bill C-7, An Act to amend the Canadian Commercial 
Corporation Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-8, An Act respecting Sir John A. Macdonald 
Day. — Mr. Macquarrie. 

Bill C-9, An Act to amend the British North America 
Acts, 1867 to 1965 (Financing of private members' public 
bills). — Mr. Baldwin. 

Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Canada Council Act. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-11, An Act to amend the National Capital Act 
(National Capital Commission). — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act 
(Qualifications of Electors and Candidates) . — Mr. Stewart 
(Cochrane). 

Bill C-13, An Act to amend the Statistics Act. — Mr. 
Robinson. 

Bill C-14, An Act respecting tobacco as a health hazard. 
— Mr. Robinson. 

Bill C-15, An Act to better assure the Public's Rights to 
Freedom of Access to Public Documents and Information 
about Government Administration (Administrative Dis- 
closure). — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-16, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Aboli- 
tion of Corporal Punishment) . — Mr. MacDonald (Egmont). 

Bill C-17, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board 
Act (Advisory Committee). — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-18, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act. — Mr. 
Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-19, An Act for the Protection and Humane 
Treatment of Animals used in Scientific Research. — Mrs. 
Maclnnis. 

Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Canada Labour (Stand- 
ards) Code (Notice and Payment to Employees in case of 
Discharge or Lay-off). — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North 
Centre) . 

Bill C-21, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act. — Mr. Robinson. 

Bill C-22, An Act to am.end the Bills of Exchange Act 
and the Interest Act (Off-store Instalment Sales). — Mr. 
Orlikow. 

Bill C-23, An Act to amend the Financial Administra- 
tion Act (Parliamentary Commissioner for Administra- 
tion). — Mr. Thompson (Red Deer). 

Bill C-24, An Act to govern, license and regulate the 
operation of Rainmaking Equipment in Canada. — Mr. 
Peters. 

Bill C-25, An Act respecting Canadian National Pollu- 
tion Awareness Week. — Mr. Goode. 

Bill C-26, An Act to amend the National Trade Mark 
and True Labelling Act (Octane rating of gasoline). — 

Mr. Francis. 



Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Canada Labour 
(Safety) Code (Marine workers). — Mr. Skoberg. 

Bill C-28, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Bat- 
tered Child) . — Mr. Southam. 

Bill C-29, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-30, An Act to amend the Divorce Act. — Mr. 
McCleave. 

Bill C-31, An Act to amend the National Museums Act. 
— Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-32, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Abor- 
tion). — Mr. Chappell. 

Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (control 
of nlotor vehicle) . — Mr. Nesbitt. 

Bill C-34, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan 
(Pension Index). — Mr. Macquarrie. 

Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Central Mortgage and 
Housing Corporation Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-36, An Act relating to the Control and Manage- 
ment of the Water Resources of Canada. — Mr. Baldwin. 

Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Government Organiza- 
tion Act, 1969 (Royal Canadian Mint). — Mr. Stewart 
(Cochrane). 

Bill C-38, An Act to prevent the invasion of privacy 
resulting from the misuse of information stored in data 
banks. — Mr. Goode. 

Bill C-39, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act. — 
Mr. Allmand. 

Bill C-40, An Act to amend the Interest Act. — Mr. 
Chappell. 

Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Canada Labour (Stand- 
ards) Code (Three Weeks Annual Vacation after Three 
Years). — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre). 

Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Canada Labour 
(Standards) Code (Provision for a Ninth General Holi- 
day with Pay). — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre). 

Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act. — Mr. 
Stewart (Cochrane) . 

Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act — Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West). 

Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Va- 
grancy) . — Mr. Robinson. 

Bill C-46, An Act to restrict the tar and nicotine con- 
tent of cigarettes. — Mr. Robinson. 

Bill C-47, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Notice 
of Accidents). — Mr. Skoberg. 

Bill C-48, An Act to amend the Canadian Film De- 
velopment Corporation Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 



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Bill C-49, An Act respecting environmental control. — 
Mr. Coode. 

Bill C-50, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Ad- 
journment for accused to obtain legal representation). — 
Mr. Allmand. 

Bill C-51, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act.— 
Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-52, An Act respecting the Designation of the 
Speaker of the House of Commons as the Member for 
the Electoral District of Parliament Hill. — Mr. Knowles 
(Winnipeg North Centre). 

Bill C-53, An Act to establish a National Capital Re- 
gion Planning Board. — Mr. Francis. 

Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Canadian Citizenship 
Act (Time off without loss of pay for appearance in 
Citizenship Court). — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North 
Centre). 

Bill C-55, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act 
(Labelling of dates on perishable commodities). — Mr. 
MacDonald (Egmont). 

Bill C-56, An Act to amend the Government Organi- 
zation Act, 1969. — Mr. MacDonald (Egmont). 

Bill C-57, An Act to amend the Fisheries Prices Sup- 
port Act. — Mr. Stewart (Coclirane). 

Bill C-58, An Act to amend the National Film Act. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-59, An Act to establish the Office of Parlia- 
mentary Commissioner. — Mr. Thompson (Red Deer). 

Bill C-60, An Act to amend the Air Canada Act. — Mr. 
Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-61, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Com- 
pany-censored Housing) . — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-62, An Act to Control Air Pollution.— Mr. 
Haidasz. 

Bill C-63, An Act respecting the Labelling of Deter- 
gents and Cleaning Agents containing Phosphate Com- 
pounds. — Mrs. Maclnnis. 

Bill C-64, An Act to amend the Public Service Em- 
ployment Act (Age Discrimination). — Mr. Forrestall. 

Bill C-65, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (At- 
tempted suicide). — Mr. Robinson. 

Bill C-66, An Act to provide for the constitution of a 
Federal Transport Commission of Inquiry (Impartial 
investigation of transport accidents). — Mr. Forrestall. 

Bill C-67, An Act to amend the Hazardous Products 
Act.— Mr. McGrath. 

Bill C-68, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Young 
offenders) . — Mr. Woolliams. 



Bill C-69, An Act respecting the presence of the 
National Flag of Canada In both Houses of Parliament. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Fisheries Act.-— Mr. 
Bornett. 

Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Combines Investiga- 
tion Act (Floor Penalties, Criminal Joint Tortfeasors, 
and Moieties). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-72, An Act to amend the Public Service Staff 
Relations Act. — Mr. Allmand. 

Bill C-73, An Act to establish a Newfoundland Tunnel 
Authority. — Mr. Marshall. 

Bill C-74, An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-75, An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act 
(Instalment Purchases). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-76, An Act respecting Human Rights. — Mrs. 
Maclnnis. 

Bill C-77, An Act to amend the Indian Act (Rights 
of Indian woman upon marriage) . — Mr. Rock. 

Bill C-78, An Act to amend the Freshwater Fish 
Marketing Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Telesat Canada Act. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Economic Council of 
Canada Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-81, An Act to amend the Livestock Feed As- 
sistance Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-82, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act 
(Publication of the Result of Election Polls). — Mr. 
Coates. 

Bill C-83, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act. — Mr. Bechard. 

Bill C-84, An Act to amend the National Defence Act 
(Defence Research Board). — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (kid- 
napping) . — Mr. Caoiiette. 

Bill C-86, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Pre- 
ventive Detention). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-87, An Act to amend the Victoria Day Act 

(Last Monday). — Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-88, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 

Readjustment Act. — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-89, An Act to amend the Science Council of 
Canada Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Canada Labour (Stand- 
ards) Code (Increased Minimum Hourly Wage). — Mr. 
Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre). 



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Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Saltfish Act. — Mr. 
Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Company of Young 
Canadians Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-93, An Act to designate Major's Hill Park. — 
Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-94, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Air and 
Water Pollution). — Mr. Allmand. 

Bill C-95, An Act to amend the Regional Development 
Incentives Act. — Mr. MacDonald (Egmont). 

Bill C-96, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Wire 
Tapping, etc.). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-97, An Act to amend the Atlantic Region Freight 
Assistance Act. — Mr. Thomas (Moncton). 

Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Official Languages Act. 
— Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-99, An Act respecting the protection of en- 
dangered species. — Mr. Watson. 

Bill C-100, An Act respecting the Metric System. — Mr. 
Peters. 

Bill C-101, An Act to amend the Canada Fair Employ- 
ment Practices Act (Age or Sex Discrimination). — Mr. 
Forrestall. 

Bill C-102, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act. — 
Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-103, An Act to amend the Criminal Code 
(Cruelty to Animals). — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-104, An Act to amend the British North America 
Acts, 1867 to 1965, with respect to the Quorum of the 
House of Commons. — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North 
Centre). 

Bill C-105, An Act to amend the Navigable Waters 
Protection Act. — Mr. Barnett. 

BiU C-106, An Act respecting Little League Week. — 
Mr. Whelan. 

Bill C-107, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act 
(cigarette advertising). — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-108, An Act respecting the Hunting and Fishing 
Rights of Indian Canadians. — Mr. Simpson. 

Bill C-109, An Act to amend the British North America 
Act, 1867 (National Capital of Canada). — Mr. Isahelle. 

Bill C-110, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. 
(Attempt to commit suicide). — Mr. Watson. 

Bill C-111, An Act respecting the labelling of hazardous 
household products. — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-112, An Act to provide for the Protection of 
News Sources (Press Privilege). — Mr. Fairweather. 



Bill C-113, An Act to establish the area of the Gulf of 
Georgia off the West Coast of Canada as a National 
Underwater Park. — Mr. Goods. 

Bill C-114, An Act to amend the Surplus Crown Assets 
Act (Crown Assets Disposal Corporation). — Mr. Stewart 
(Cochrane). 



Bill C-115, An Act to restrain the use of Tobacco.- 

Mather. 



-Mr. 



Bill C-116, An Act to amend the Government Organiza- 
tion Act, 1969 (Medical Research Council). — Mr. Stewart 
(Cochrane). 

Bill C-117, An Act to amend the Supreme Court Act. — 
Mr. McCleave. 

Bill C-118, An Act to amend the Canadian Citizenship 
Act (Freedom of Conscience). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-119, An Act to amend the Canadian Dairy Com- 
mission Act (Consultative Committee). — Mr. Stewart 
(Cochrane). 

Bill C-120, An Act to amend the Immigration Appeal 
Board Act. — Mr. Haidasz. 

Bill C-121, An Act to amend the Public Service Staff 
Relations Act. — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-122, An Act to amend the National Arts Centre 
Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-123, An Act to amend the Cape Breton Develop- 
ment Corporation Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-124, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act. — 
Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-125, An Act respecting noise in factories. — Mr. 
Mather. 

Bill C-126, An Act to amend the Municipal Develop- 
ment and Loan Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-127, An Act to amend the Canada Labour 
(Standards) Code (Severance Pay). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-128, An Act respecting fair credit reporting. — 
Mr. Rose. 

Bill C-129, An Act respecting the disclosure of financial 
interests by Senators, Members of the House of Commons 
and certain other persons. — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre). 

Bill C-130, An Act to amend the International River 
Improvements Act. — Mr. Goode. 

Bill C-131, An Act respecting the Control of Lobbying. 
— Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-132, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act 
(Publication of Straw Poll Results). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-133, An Act to amend the British North America 
Act, 1867 (Abolition of the Senate). — Mr. Knowles (Win- 
nipeg North Centre). 



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Bill C-134, An Act respecting the Protection of Rec- 
ords of Canadian Business Concerns. — Mr. Mother. 

Bill C-135, An Act to provide for the Establishment 
of the Alaska- Yukon Highway Authority (Alaska High- 
way). — Mr. Thompson (Red Deer). 

Bill C-136, An Act to amend the Unemployment In- 
surance Act (Age or Sex Discrimination). — Mr. For- 
restall. 

Bill C-137, An Act to provide for the Protection of 
News Sources (Press Privileges). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-138, An Act to amend the Industrial Relations 
and Disputes Investigation Act (Charity versus Closed- 
Shop Union Dues). — Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West). 

Bill C-139, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. — Mr. 
Stewart ( Cochrane ) . 

Bill C-140, An Act to provide for the humane treat- 
ment of vertebrate animals used in scientific and in- 
dustrial experiments, tests or training by recipients of 
grants from the Government of Canada, by agencies of 
the Government of Canada and by persons manufactur- 
ing or testing pharmaceutical or biochemical products 
for sale to the Government of Canada or to any of its 
agencies. — Mr. Groos. 

Bill C-141, An Act respecting rate fares for disabled 
persons on federal modes of transport. (Free or re- 
duced rates) . — Mr. Nesbitt. 

Bill C-142, An Act to amend the National Research 
Council Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

BiU C-143, An Act to amend the Adult Occupational 
Training Act. — Mrs. Maclnnis. 

Bill C-144, An Act to amend the British North America 
Acts 1867 to 1965, (Duration of House of Commons). — 
Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-145, An Act to amend the Atomic Energy Con- 
trol Act. — Mr. St"<vart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-146, Ar Act proclaiming the Canadian Flag Day 
a National HoLday. — Mr. Haidasz. 

Bill C-147, An Act to amend the Fisheries Research 
Board Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-148, An Act respecting Disclosure of Names 
of Drug Addicts. — Mr. Haidasz. 

Bill C-149, An Act to amend the Canada Evidence 
Act (Incriminating statements). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-150, An Act concerning the Exportation of the 
Growth and Produce of Canada. — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-151, An Act respecting Canada Day. — Mr. 
Gibson. 

Bill C-152, An Act to amend the Canadian Overseas 

Telecommunication Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 



Bill C-153, An Act to amend the Canadian National 
Railways Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-154, An Act to amend the National Library 
Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-155, An Act to amend the Statistics Act. — 
Mr. MacDonald (Egmont). 

Bill C-156, An Act respecting research on drug use. — 
Mr. Goode. 

Bill C-157, An Act respecting the Port of Toronto. — 
Mr. Chappell. 

Bill C-158, An Act to control the tar content and nico- 
tine level of cigarettes. — Mr. Howe. 

Bill C-159, An Act to amend the Identification of 
Criminals Act. — Mr. Hogarth. 

Bill C-160, An Act to amend the Northern Canada 
Power Commission Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

Bill C-161, An Act to amend the Farmers' Creditors 
Arrangement Act. — Mr. Baldwin. 

Bill C-162, An Act to amend the National Housing 
Act, 1954 (Municipal Water and Soil Pollution Proj- 
ects). — Mr. Alexander. 

Bill C-163, An Act to establish a National Capital 
Region Pollution Control Board. — Mr. Francis. 

Bill C-164, An Act to amend the Export Development 
Act. — Mr. Stewart (Cochrane). 

BiU C-165, An Act to amend the Criminal Code 
( Abortion ) . — Mrs . Maclnnis . 

Bill C-166, An Act to amend the Canada Assistance 
Plan. — Mr. Lewis. 

Bill C-167, An Act to amend the Inquiries Act (Pub- 
lication of Reports). — Mr. Baldwin. 

Bill C-168, An Act to amend the Immigration Act 
(Mental Retardation). — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-169, An Act to amend the Juvenile Delinquents 
Act. — Mr. Robinson. 

Bill C-170, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act 

(Advertising). — Mr. Orlikow. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 



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May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, 
the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assem- 
bled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your 
Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excel- 
lency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing. 



Changes in Committee Mem,hership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mrs. Maclnnis for Mr. Rowland on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Proceedings of the 
Commissioners of Internal Economy, for the period Feb- 
ruary 9, 1970 to June 23, 1970, pursuant to Standing 
Order 78. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/2. 

By Mr. Chretien, by command of His Excellency the 
Governor General, — Copy of Ordinances, chapters 1 to 9, 
assented to July 24, 1970, pursuant to section 15 of the 
Northwest Territories Act, chapter 331, R.S.C., 1952, as 
amended 1953-54 together with a copy of Order in Coun- 
cil P.C. 1970-1767, dated October 6, 1970, approving same. 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/200A. 

By Mr. Davis, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
— Report of the Fisheries Research Board of Canada for 
the year ended December 31, 1969. (English and French). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/149. 



By Mr. Lang, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Number and Amounts of Loans to 
Immigrants made under section 69(1) of the Immi- 
gration Act for the year ended March 31, 1970 pursuant 
to section 69(6) of the said Act, chapter 325, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/159. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated No- 
vember 26, 1969, for a copy of a list of (a) all projects 
postponed, suspended, delayed or cancelled as a result 
of the program reductions announced by the Prime 
Minister on August 13, 1969 (b) all estimates which 
were reduced as a result of the Prime Minister's an- 
nouncement, together with the total amount of re- 
duction. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 195).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/195. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, (Question No. 2,012), showing: 

1 . Dbes the Department of National Health and Wel- 
fare have the use of a computer in its operations and, 
if so, to what extent is it utilized? 

2. Is the computer programmed 24 hours per day 
and, if not, for what reason? 

3. What is the number of hours planned for utiliza- 
tion of the computer? 

4. What has been the annual cost of computer services 
for each year 1960 to 1970 inclusive? 

5. How many programmes are in preparation for the 
computer at the present time and how will each affect 
the efficiency of the Department? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/2,012. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(2). 



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No. 10 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Speaker informed the House of the appointment 
of Antonio Plouffe, Esquire, as Third Clerk Assistant 
of the House of Commons. 



Mr. Thompson (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Grouse, 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-171, An Act 
to amend the Criminal Code (Kidnapping), which was 
read the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Chretien, a Member of 
the Queen's Privy Council, laid upon the Table, — Copies 
of an Agreement between the government and oil 
companies operating on Banks Island, Northwest Terri- 
tories, executed at Calgary, Alberta, September, 1970. 
(English and French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-7/6. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, 
the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assem- 
bled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your 
Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excel- 
lency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing. 



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October 21, 1970 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Mo- 
tions". 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Munro, 
it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding the provisions 
of any Standing Order or practice of this House, the 
version of the Bill intituled An Act respecting the 
Federal Court of Canada, as reported with amendments 
from the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs on Wednesday, June 10, 1970, in the past session, 
be deemed to have been introduced, read a first time, 
ordered to be printed, read a second time, referred to 
and reported by a Standing Committee, and that the 
said bill be ordered to stand on the Order Paper for 
consideralion by the House at the report stage on or 
after October 28, 1970; and 

That, in addition to any motion or motions to amend 
the said bill to be filed during this session under the 
provisions of section 5 of Standing Order 75 in relation 
thereto, any motion or motions to amend the said bill 
filed in the prior session under the provisions of section 
5 of Standing Order 75 in relation thereto shall be 
posted for consideration when the said bill is called 
in this session. 



RECOMMENDATION 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting the Federal 
Court of Canada to consist of two branches called the 
Federal Court — ^Appeal Division and the Federal Court — 
Trial Division; to provide for the appointment, tenure 
of office and salaries of the judges of the Court; for the 
appointment and salaries of prothonotaries and the 
appointment of sheriffs and marshals; to provide for the 
registry and staff of the Court; to provide for the juris- 
diction of the Court; to provide as to the costs awarded 
to or against the Crown; and to provide further for 
consequential and related amendments to certain stat- 
utes of Canada. 



Changes in Committee . Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Goode for Mr. Borrie on the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Inunigration. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk oj the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of the Economic Council of Canada, 
including its Financial Statement, together with the 
Auditor General's Report thereon for the fiscal year 
ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 21(1) of the 
Economic Council of Canada Act, chapter 11, Statutes 
of Canada, 1963. (English and French). — Sessional Pa- 
per No. 283-1/125. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated No- 
vember 26, 1969, for a copy of the report of the Depart- 
ment of Communications "Telecommission" regarding 
the relationship between common carriers and computer 
companies. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 124). Sessional Paper No. 283-3/124. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of each of the three 
most recent annual financial reports received by the 
Minister of Transport from the Port Albemi Harbour 
Commissioners. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 395). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/395. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker .adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(2). 



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No. 11 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Chappell, seconded by Mr. Murphy, by leave of 
the House, introduced Bill C-173, An Act to amend the 
Judges Act (reserve judges), which was read the first 
time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Ordered, — That the Address Debate may be resumed 
at 3.00 o'clock p.m. Friday, October 23, 1970, and continue 
until 5.00 o'clock p.m., and if any recorded division is 
demanded it shall be deferred until Monday next follow- 
ing Oral Questions. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Turner, a Member of the 
Queen's Privy Council, laid upon the Table, — Copy of a 
press release, dated October 21, 1970, by the Minister 
of Justice and Attorney General of the Province of 
Quebec concerning persons held under the provisions of 
the Order in Council passed under the War Measures 
Act.— (French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-5/164C. 

Ordered, — That the said press release be printed as an 
Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 



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October 22, 1970 



May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, 
the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assem- 
bled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your 
Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excel- 
lency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Badanai, Ouellet, Walker, Goyer, Clermont 
and Trudel for Messrs. AlLmand, Buchanan, Cafik, How- 
ard (Okanagan Boundary), Laniel and Marceau on the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs and National 
Defence. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk 
of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Octo- 
ber 7, 1970 {Question No. 1,987), showing: 1. What was 
the total of travelling expenses for each of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretaries during the fiscal year 1969-70? 

2. Does this include the use of government aircraft 
and, if not, on how many occasions was a government 
aircraft used?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/1,987. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Supplementary Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 5, 1970, (Question 
No. 952), showing: For each government department. 
Crown corporation or agency, what was the salary range 
of the Deputy Minister and Assistant Deputy Minister 
or the equivalent position, as of January 1, 1957, 1962, 
1967, 1969?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/952, 

By Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of Expenditures and Administration in con- 
nection with the Unemployment Assistance Act for the 
fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 9 
of the said Act, chapter 26, Statutes of Canada, 1956. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/251. 



At 10.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 12 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 23, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

The following Notices of Motions having been called 
were transferred to Government Orders for considera- 
tion at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 21(2): 

That a Special Committee be established to consider 
the question of the limitation and control of election ex- 
penses in Canada and to report from time to time its ob- 
servations and opinions thereon; 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons, 
papers and records; to sit during sittings and adjourn- 
ments of the House; to print from day to day such papers 
and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee; and 
to delegate to sub-committees any of its powers, except 
the power to report directly to the House; 



That the evidence adduced by the Committee during 
the past Session in relation thereto be referred to the 
said Committee; and 

That the Members of the Committee be designated at 
a later date. — The President of the Privy Council. 

That in relation to S. 22 of the Representation Commis- 
sioner Act, Statutes of Canada 1963, C. 40, the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections be empowered to 
review the provisions of the Representation Cormnissioner 
Act and recommend to the House any amendments, al- 
terations or modifications thereto that to the said Com- 
mittee shall appear to be necessary or desirable, and the 
evidence adduced by the Committee during the past 
Session in relation thereto be referred to the said Com- 
mittee. — The President of the Privy Council. 



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October 23, 1970 



That the question of radio and television broadcasting 
of the proceedings of the House and its Committees, in- 
cluding the legal, procedural, and technical aspects there- 
of, and the question of arrangements made for reporters 
for the electronic media in the Parliament Buildings, and 
the evidence adduced by the Committee during the past 
Session in relation thereto be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Procedure and Organization. — The Presi- 
dent oj the Privy Council. 



That the question of measures to be taken to ensure 
the security of the galleries of the House, and the evi- 
dence adduced by the Committee during the past Session 
in relation thereto be referred to the Standing Committee 
on Procedure and Organization. — The President of the 
Privy Council. 



That the Public Accounts for the year ended March 31, 
1969, and the Auditor General's Report thereon, and the 
evidence adduced by the Committee during the past Ses- 
sion in relation thereto be referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. — The President of the Privy 
Council. 



That the papers entitled "Foreign Policy for Cana- 
dians", laid before the House June 25, 1970, be referred 
to the Standing Committee on External Affairs and Na- 
tional Defence. — The President of the Privy Council. 



The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to the Special Committee on Environmental Pol- 
lution of Bill C-2, An Act to amend the Canada Shipping 
Act. 

Mr. Jamieson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time and referred 
to the Special Committee on Environmental Pollution. 

And debate arising thereon; 



At 3.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings in accordance with Special Order made 
Thursday, October 22, 1970. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Tru- 
del, seconded by Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), — That the 
following Address be presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roland 
Michener, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the 
Order of Canada upon whom has been conferred the 
Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 



May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, 
the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliamnent assem- 
bled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your 
Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excel- 
lency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

On motion of Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), seconded by 
Mr. Pepin, it was ordered, — That the said Address be 
engrossed and presented to His Excellency the Governor 
General by Mr. Speaker. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 58, on motion of Mr. 
Macdonald (Rosedale), seconded by Mr. Pepin, it was 
ordered, — That this House at its next sitting consider 
the business of Supply. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Portelance, Cullen, Lessard (LaSalle), and 
LeBlanc (Rimouski) for Messrs. Trudel, Gibson, Guay 
(St. Boniface) and Groos on the Standing Committee on 
External Affairs and National Defence. 

Mr. MacEwan for Mr. Forrestall on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report on the Quinquennial Actuarial Valuation of 
the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (Dependents) Pen- 
sion Fund as at March 31, 1969, under Part TV of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, pursuant to section 
89(3) of the said Act, chapter 241, R.S.C., 1952. (EngUsh 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/230. 



At 4.24 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Macdonald 
(Rosedale), seconded by Mr. Pepin, the House adjourned 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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No. 13 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-174, 
An Act to establish the Tax Review Board and to make 
certain amendments to other Acts in relation thereto, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General has recommended 
to the House of Commons the present measure to estab- 
lish the Tax Review Board and to make certain amend- 
ments to other Acts in relation thereto, to provide for 
the salaries, travelling allowances and annuities of the 



members of the Board, for the duties of and appeals to 
the Board, for the appointment of a Registrar and a 
Deputy Registrar and for their salaries and superannu- 
ation; 

To provide also that the salaries, travelling allowances 
and annuities payable to members, former members and 
widows of former members shall be paid out of the 
Consolidated Revenue Fund, and that aU other expendi- 
tures shall be paid out of moneys appropriated by Par- 
liament for the purpose; 

And to provide further for certain trsinsitional or re- 
lated amendments. 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), by leave of the House, introduced 
BiU C-175, An Act respecting grain, which was read 



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October 26, 1970 



the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting grain; to 
provide for the constitution of the Canadian Grain Com- 
mission, for salaries and expenses and accountable ad- 
vances to the Commission; for the objects and powers 
of the Commission; for the establishment of grades of 
western and eastern grain; for Grain Standards Com- 
mittees, for the grading and inspection of grain; for 
the constitution of grain appeal tribunals; for licences 
and licensees and for charges by licensees; for elevators 
and grain dealers and the handling of grain by licensees 
and other persons and the carriage of grain; and to make 
also further provisions in connection with the adminis- 
tration of the Act. 



Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-176, An Act to establish the National Farm Prod- 
ucts Marketing Council and to autliorize the establish- 
ment of national marketing agencies for farm products, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to establish the Na- 
tional Farm Products Marketing Council; to provide for 
its duties and powers, for salaries, fees and expenses; 
for the organization of the Council and for its staff; 
to provide also that all expenditures in relation to the 
above shall be paid out of moneys appropriated by 
Parliament therefor; to authorize the establishment of 
national marlceting agencies for farm products; to pro- 
vide for the membership of such agencies, and the em- 
ployment of staff; to provide that the agencies shall con- 
duct their operations on a self-sustaining financial basis 
without appropriations therefor by Parliament; to pro- 
vide also that the Minister of Finance may make grants 
to an agency not exceeding in the aggregate of one 
hundred thousand dollars to enable the agency to meet 
initial operating establishment expenses, the aggregate 
amount of such grants not to exceed one million dollars; 
and further to provide for federal-provincial agreements, 
the designating and powers of inspectors and assistance 
to inspectors, for licence fees, levies and charges, and for 
other consequential and related provisions. 



Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-177, 
An Act respecting cooperative associations, which was 



read the first time and ordered to" be printed and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Mum-o, 
it was ordered, — That the papers entitled "Foreign Policy 
for Canadians", laid before the House June 25, 1970, be 
referred to the Standing Committee on External Affairs 
and National Defence. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Jamie- 
son, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill C-2, An Act 
to amend the Canada Shipping Act, be now read a second 
time and referred to the Special Committee on Environ- 
mental Pollution. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said 
motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to tlie Special Committee on Environmental 
Pollution. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item numbered 1 was allowed to stand at the request of 
the government and retain its position. 



Mr. Winch, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North 
Centre), moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the 
following matters sliould be referred to a standing com- 
mittee, designated by the Prime Minister, with authority 
to call for persons and papers and report its delibera- 
tions with recommendations (a) the use of animals for 
medical research purposes, their care and utilization, and 
procedures for government licensing and inspection of, 
and control over, all premises using animals for labora- 
tory research or medical training (b) as far as federal 
jurisdiction permits, recommendations regarding legisla- 
tion providing penalties for those abusing animals, and 
any persons making a business of raising or catching 
animals for sale to research individuals or centres and 
not keeping same in a humane manner (c) the most 
humane method of trapping fur-bearing animals (d) con- 
sideration of the entire Canadian picture relative to the 
maintenance of fish, bird and animal wildlife and the 
regulations required for conservation (e) consideration of 
federal and provincial jurisdiction on the aforementioned 
items, and proposals for an effective manner of attaining 
federal-provincial agreement and legislative action. — 
(Notice of Motion No. 2). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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The Order being read for the second reading and refer- 
ence to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs of Bill C-3, An Act respecting invest- 
ment companies. 

Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Greene, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time and referred to the 
St'andirtg Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 

And a point of order having been raised by the honour- 
able Member for Edmonton West (Mr. Lambert) to the 
effect that the recommendation of His Excellency the 
Governor General was defective in that the recommenda- 
tion of the Crown in relation to a similar bill which was 
introduced in the last session included a provision cover- 
ing losses incurred by the Corporation and inasmuch as 
Bill C-3 contains a similar provision, the recommendation 
in respect of Bill C-3 should contain a like recom- 
mendation. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The point raised by the honoui-able 
Member for Edmonton West is obviously one of inter- 
est. I would not think it is entirely satisfactory or suffi- 
cient for the Minister of Finance to say that the recom- 
mendation had been put forward by the law officers of 
the Department of Justice and there is therefore a pre- 
sumption that it is right. I suggest that this presumption 
should not exist. 

The honourable Member for Edmonton West was gen- 
erous enough to suggest earlier today, unofficially, that 
he was worried about this important point, and this has 
given me an opportunity to look into the matter. I must 
say that having done so I am not convinced, one way or 
the otlier. The argument made by the honourable Mem- 
ber for Edmonton West is a very strong one and I 
wonder, as he does, why the recommendation as pre- 
pared in the first instance in preparation for Bill C-179 
in the last session was not used for this particular bill, 
which is essentially the same legislation. The recom- 
mendation prepared for the earlier bill was much more 
complete because it spelled out that losses sustained 
by the Corporation were to be included. The essential 
difference is that the recommendation for Bill C-3, before 
us at the moment, uses only the words "for such pur- 
poses". One wonders whether the purposes referred to 
by the law officers of the Crown include not only the 
usual mortgage operations but also losses which might 
be sustained by the Crown as a result of these operations. 

My thought is that if the Chair arrives at the con- 
clusion that the recommendation is imperfect, as sug- 
gested by the honourable Member for Edmonton West, 
it is a very simple matter for the Crown, at a few 
moments notice, practically, to get the recommendation 
corrected. As was pointed out by the Minister of Finance, 
this was done in similar circumstances last year when 
it was suggested by the Chair that the recommendation 
was not proper. In the course of the debate a new 
recommendation was submitted and the amendment was 
agreed to by the House. My suggestion is that we might 
proceed with our consideration of the bill, but not as 



far as to give it second reading; we would hold second 
reading until there was cither a determination by the 
Chair, or, if my ruling is that the recommendation should 
be corrected, until the government takes the necessary 
action to obtain an amended recommendation. In this 
way we would not arrest the work planned for this 
evening. We would proceed with the consideration of 
the bill at second reading stage, but not put the motion 
on second reading. In other words, we would hold the 
matter in abeyance until we find some way to resolve 
the difficulty brought to our attention by the honourable 
Member for Edmonton West. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Benson, 
seconded by Mr. Greene, — That Bill C-3, An Act respect- 
ing investment companies, be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 

After further debate, on motion of Mr. Greene, 
seconded by Mr. Duquet, the said debate was adjourned. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on National Re- 
sources and Public Works of Bill C-4, An Act to amend 
the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act. 

Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Benson, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on National Resources and 
Public Works. 

And debate arising thereon; by unanimous consent, 
the said debate was adjourned. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the mo- 
tion of Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Greene, — That Bill 
C-3, An Act respecting investment companies be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Benson, a Member of the 
Queen's Privy Council, presented a new recommendation 
from His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting investment 
companies; to provide for the supervision and registra- 
tion thereof and the prohibition of certain loans and in- 
vestments thereby; to provide for restrictions on the 
transferability of shares of certain investment companies 
to be known as sales finance companies and for loans 
to such companies by the Canada Deposit Insurance 
Corporation out of funds advanced out of the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund; to provide for reimbursement of 
the Corporation out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund 
for losses sustained in respect of any such loans and for 
the establishment by the Corporation of a special account 
in the Bank of Canada to which shall be credited reve- 
nues derived from such loans and to which shall be 



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charged certain expenditures of the Corporation men- 
tioned in the said measure; to provide for assessments 
of investment companies by the Superintendent of In- 
surance to cover costs incurred by him in the admin- 
istration of the Act and further to make certain 
provisions in connection with the administration of the 
Act. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said 
recommendation be printed in this day's Votes and 
Proceedings. 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Benson, 
seconded by Mr. Greene, — That Bill C-3, An Act re- 
specting investment companies be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, 
on division, and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Harding for Mr. Nystrom on the Special Committee 
on Environmental Pollution. 

Messrs. Groos, AUmand, Marceau, Guay (St. Boniface), 
Gibson and Haidasz for Messrs. Cullen, Clermont, Porte- 
lance, Walker, Lessard (LaSalle) and LeBlanc (Rimouski) 
on the Standing Committee on External Affairs and 
National Defence. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 



At 10.24 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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No. 14 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That speeches 
on the motion under the order Business of Supply be 
limited to fifteen minutes with the exception of the prime 
speakers who shall be limited to thirty minutes. 



The Order being read for the consideration of the 
Business of Supply; 

Pursuant to Standing Order 58, Mr. Marshall, seconded 
by Mr. Paproski, moved, — That this House urges the gov- 
ernment to implement at an early date by way of the 
appropriate legislative amendments the recommendations 
contained in the 2nd Report of the Standing Committee 
on Veterans Affairs dated 9 June 1970 and in addition 
thereto to provide for early payment of adequate in- 
creases in the allowances under the War Veterans' 
Allowance Act 1952 as amended. 



And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Kn()wles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Winch, moved in amendment thereto, — 

That the motion be amended by changing the period at 
the end thereof to a comma, and by adding immediately 
thereafter the following words: 

"and this House also urges that consideration be given 
to the making of any increases to be provided under 
the Pension Act or under the War Veterans Allowance 
Act retroactive to April 1, 1970, or to such earlier date 
as may be appropriate in certain cases.". 

And debate arising thereon; 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



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By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That when this 
House completes proceedings under Standing Order 
40(1), debate be continued on the motion and amendment 
now before the House. 

{At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Proceedings on 
Adjournment Motion) 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Marshall, 
seconded by Mr. Paproski,— That this House urges the 
government to implement at an early date by way of the 
appropriate legislative amendments the recommendations 
contained in the 2nd Report of the Standing Committee 
on Veterans Affairs dated 9 June 1970 and in addition 
thereto to provide for early payment of adequate in- 
creases in the allowances under the War Veterans' 
Allowance Act 1952 as amended. 

And on the proposed amendment of Mr. Knowles (Win- 
nipeg North Centre), seconded by Mr. Winch, — That the 
motion be amended by changing the period at the end 
thereof to a comma, and by adding immediately there- 
after the following words: 

"and this House also urges that consideration be given 
to the making of any increases to be provided under 
the Pension Act or under the War Veterans Allowance 
Act retroactive to April 1, 1970, or to such earlier date 
as may be appropriate in certain cases.". 

After further debate thereon, proceedings on the said 
motion expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the name of the Honourable Senator 
Forsey had been substituted for that of the Honourable 
Senator Thompson on the list of Senators serving on the 
Special Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Com- 
mons on the Constitution of Canada. 



Messrs. Goode and Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo) for 
Messrs. Haidasz and Sulatycky on the Special Committee 
on Environmental Pollution. 

Mr. Whiting for Mr. Deakon on the Special Committee 
on Environmental Pollution. 

Messrs. Buchanan and Fortin for Messrs. Roberts and 
Laprise on the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs. 

Messrs. Walker, Whicher and Cullen for Messrs. Gil- 
lespie, Perrault and Buchanan on the Standing Committee 
on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Messrs. Guay (Levis) and Forget for Messrs. Lachance 
and Breau on the Special Joint Committee on the Con- 
stitution. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Stanaing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Address, dated October 7, 1970, 
to His Excellency the Governor General for copies of the 
agreement and all correspondence between the federal 
government and the Government of the Province of Que- 
bec respecting the development of the Forillon National 
Park. — (Notice oj Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 518).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/518. 



Changes in Committee Membership 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 



At 11.21 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr, Gray seconded 
by Mr. Francis, the House adjourned until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 15 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 
1, 3-5 inclusive, 7-21 inclusive, 23, 25-44 inclusive, 46, 
47, 49, 50, 52-59 inclusive, 61-77 inclusive, 79-97 inclusive, 
99-113 inclusive and 132-140 inclusive were allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 



having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen). 
transferred by the Clerk of the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1) 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 2, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the report on attitudes of Indian people based mainly 
on a visit to the Six Nations Reserve on July 16, 1969, 
submitted to the Department of Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development by Berger, Tisdall, Clark and 
Lesley Ltd., as referred to at page 6 of the quarterly 
report on public relations activity, June, July, August, 
1969 by the said Berger, Tisdall, Clark and Lesley Ltd., 



Ordered, — That there be laid before the House a copy 
of the survey undertaken by the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development showing the number 
of native people employed in mining in the Northwest 
Territories as referred to by the Minister of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development in his address in 
Yellowknife on November 10, 1969. — {Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 6 — Mr. Howard 
(Skeena)). 



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Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 24, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
memoranda, correspondence, briefs, tables and sub- 
missions presented to the Commission of Inquiry into 
Mail Transport in Montreal, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



ployees were killed when the erigine went through the 
bridge. — (Notice oj Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 78— Mr. Skoherg). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all speeches, reports, resolutions of the northern com- 
munications conference held at Yellowknife, NWT in 
September, 1970. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 98 — Mr. Macquarrie) . 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all correspondence between the Government of Canada 
and the native people of Banks Island in the Northwest 
Territories regarding oil exploration. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 45 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all representations received by the Department of 
Indian AflEairs and Northern Development regarding new 
land-use regulations in Canada's northland. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 48 — Mr. 
Orlikow) . 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 51, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of any 
reports or reviews with regard to social welfare legis- 
lation and income security prepared by or under the 
direction of Dr. J. W. Willard, Deputy Minister of Wel- 
fare for Canada, since June 25, 1968, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 114, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by Le Centre de Planification 
Familiale, Montreal, in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded 
by the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
"Projet de recherche aupres du milieu d6favoris6 urbain 
Quebecois", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 115, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by Le Centre de Planification 
Familiale, Montreal, in the fiscal year 1970-71 funded 
by the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
"Projet de recherche aupres du milieu defavorise lurbain 
Quebecois", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 60, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
Report on the findings of the survey team which under 
the direction of Dr. H. C. Rowsell, inspected university 
research laboratories across the country earlier this year 
and made an assessment of the conditions surrounding 
the use of animals for experimental purposes, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 116, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by St. Boniface General Hospital 
in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded by the Department of 
National Health and Welfare on "The Effect of Oral 
Contraceptives on Folate Metabolism as Related to the 
Outcome of Subsequent Pregnancies", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the report of the Canadian Transport Commission con- 
cerning the investigation into the mishap on the CNR 
Rivers Subdivision on April 28, 1968, where three em- 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 117, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken in the fiscal year 1968-69 funded 



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59 



by the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
"The Effect of Oestrogen-progestin Compounds on Plate- 
let Surface Reactions in Women of Childbearing Age", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 118, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded 
by the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
"The Effect of Oestrogen-progestin Compounds on Plate- 
let Surface Reactions in Women of Childbearing Age", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
119, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by the Jewish General and Mon- 
treal General Hospitals in the fiscal year 1968-69 funded 
by the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
the "Physiological and Psychological Aspects of Oral 
Contraceptive Medication", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursviant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
120, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by the Jewish General and Mon- 
treal General Hospitals in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded 
by the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
the "Physiological and Psychological Aspects of Oral 
Contraceptive Medication", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
121, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study "Causes et consequences demographiques 
economiques et sociales de la pratique de la mehode 
thermique de regulation des naissances" funded by the 
Department of National Health and Welfare in the fiscal 
year 1969-70, 



having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
122, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study undertaken by the Montreal Children's Hospital 
(McGill) in the fiscal year 1966-67 funded by the De- 
partment of National Health and Welfare on the "Evalua- 
tion of Results of Genetic Counselling", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
123, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by the Montreal Children's Hospital 
(McGill) in the fiscal year 1967-68 funded by the De- 
partment of National Health and Welfare on the "Evalua- 
tion of Results of Genetic Counselling", 

having bfeen called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
124, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study undertaken by the Montreal Children's Hospital 
(McGill) in the fiscal year 1968-69 funded by the De- 
partment of National Health and Welfare on the "Evalua- 
tion of Results of Genetic Counselling", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
125, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study undertaken by the Montreal Children's Hospital 
(McGill) in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded by the De- 
partment of National Health and Welfare on the "Evalua- 
tion of Results of Genetic Counselling", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



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Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
126, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of a 
study undertaken by Toronto General Hospital (Uni- 
versity of Toronto) in the fiscal year 1967-68 on "An 
Experiment in Community Health Care: The Evaluation 
of Voluntary Family Planning (a) the need; (b) the 
desire; (c) the effect", funded by the Deparment of 
National Health and Welfare, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
127, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of a 
study undertaken by Toronto General Hospital (Uni- 
versity of Toronto) in the fiscal year 1968-69 on "An 
Experiment in Community Health Care: The Evalua- 
tion of Voluntary Family Planning (a) the need; (b) 
the desire; (c) the effect", funded by the Department 
of National Health and Welfare, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
130, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by the University of British 
Columbia in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded by the De- 
partment of National Health and Welfare on "Social 
and Medical Factors of Women Attending Vancouver 
Family Planning Clinic and a Group of Women not 
Attending a Family Planning Clinic in two areas of the 
City of Vancouver", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Ccnincil (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — ^That there be laid before this House a 
copy of all memoranda, correspondence, etc., arising out 
of the proposed closing of the office of the Department 
of Veterans Affairs in London, England. — {Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 131 — Mr. 
Marshall). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
128, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of a 
study undertaken by Toronto General Hospital (Uni- 
versity of Toronto) in the fiscal year 1969-70 on "An 
Experiment in Community Health Care: The Evalua- 
tion of Voluntary Family Planning (a) the need; (b) 
the desire; (c) the effect", funded by the Department 
of National Health and Welfare, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
129, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study undertaken by the University of British Colum- 
bia in the fiscal year 1968-69 funded by the Department 
of National Health and Welfare on "Social and Medical 
Factors of Women Attending Vancouver Family Plan- 
ning Clinic and a Group of Women not Attending a 
Family Planning Clinic in two areas of the City of 
Vancouver", 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. C6t6 
(Longueuil), it was ordered, — That a Special Committee 
be established to consider the question of the limitation 
and control of election expenses in Canada and to re- 
port from time to time its observations and opinions 
thereon; 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons, 
papers and records; to sit during sittings and adjourn- 
ments of the House; to print from day to day such papers 
and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee; and 
to delegate to sub-committees any of its powers, except 
the power to report directly to the House; 

That the evidence adduced by the Committee during 
the past Session in relation thereto be referred to the said 
Committee; and 

That the Members of the Committee be designated at 
a later date. 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Cote 
(Longueuil), it was ordered,- — -That in relation to S. 22 of 
the Representation Commissioner Act, Statutes of Can- 
ada 1963, C. 40, the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections be empowered to review the provisions of 
the Representation Commissioner Act and recommend to 
the House any amendments, alterations or modifications 
thereto that to the said Committee shall appear to be 



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necessary or desirable, and the evidence adduced by the 
Committee during the past Session in relation thereto be 
referred to the said Committee. 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. C6t6 
(Longueuil), it was ordered, — That the question of radio 
and television broadcasting of the proceedings of the 
House and its Committees, including the legal, pro- 
cedural, and technical aspects thereof, and the question 
of arrangements made for reporters for the electronic 
media in the Parliament Buildings, and the evidence 
adduced by the Committee during the past Session in 
relation thereto be referred to the Standing Committee 
on Procedure and Organization. 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. C6t6 
(Longueuil), it was ordered, — That the question of 
measures to be taken to ensure the security of the gal- 
leries of the House, and the evidence adduced by the 
Committee during the past Session in relation thereto be 
referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and 
Organization. 



The Order being read for the report stage of Bill C-172, 
An Act respecting the Federal Court of Canada, as re- 
ported (with amendments) from the Standing Committee 
on Justice and Legal Affairs; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: As honourable Members know, a con- 
siderable number of motions have been proposed for 
consideration of the House at this time. The Chair has 
closely studied all these motions. I should indicate to the 
House that I have reservations concerning three motions 
about which I suggest there might be procedural difficul- 
ties, Nos. 1, 2 and 19. No. 1 stands in the name of the 
honourable Member for Calgary North (Mr. Woolliams) 
and No. 2 is consequential thereon. 

I am not sure whether the honourable Member for 
Calgary North wants to deal with the matter from a 
procedural standpoint at this time. I suggest to him that 
this is an attempt to introduce an amendment of sub- 
stance by way of an amendment to the interpretation 
clause of the bill. This is contrary to the practice of the 
House. This is my preliminary observation which I would 
like to put for the consideration of the honourable Mem- 
ber for Calgary North. As I said. No. 2 is dependent 
on No. 1. If No. 1 cannot be put then No. 2 cannot 
be put. 

There are no objections to any of the other motions 
proposed by the honourable Member for Calgary North 
or any other honourable Members with the exception 
of No. 19 proposed by the Minister of Justice (Mr. 
Turner). It appears to be faulty in some respects, per- 
haps not substantially, but I do have some difficulties. 
For the moment we might deal with No. 1 which stands 
in the name of the honourable Member for Calgary 
North. 



Mr. Speaker: I suggest to the honourable Member that 
perhaps the argument he has made was submitted in a 
manner that is out of order from a procedural standpoint. 
The honourable Member stated the amendment he pro- 
poses goes to the substance of the bill. I appreciate that. 
This is why I am worried about the matter. 

I respectfully suggest to the honourable Member for 
Calgary North (Mr. Woolliams) it is not good procedure 
to try and introduce a substantive amendment by way 
of modification of the interpretation clause. I doubt 
whether a precedent can be found in our practice. I have 
not been able to find one where a substantive amend- 
ment was effected by a modification of the interpreta- 
tion clause. I have studied the matter very closely. I 
suggest with respect to the honourable Member that I 
do not think I can vary the opinion I expressed when 
the matter was raised in the first instance. 

Earlier this year I dealt with this matter at some 
length. I believe it was on May 21. There is a report of 
a ruling of the Chair in Votes and Proceedings for May 
21 dealing with a similar situation. I went into the 
background on this matter from a procedural stand- 
point and at that time I reached the conclusion that 
this kind of amendment could not be moved. I suggest 
to the House that I have to reach the same conclusion 
at this time. There may be some other way that the 
amendment might have been introduced. There is still 
Third Reading stage where the matter can be debated. 

The honourable Member stated this proposal had been 
made in committee. I cannot reach the conclusion that 
it necessarily follows that the amendment would be in 
order in the House because, of course, we are not bound 
by rulings made in committee. The honourable Member 
realizes this and has so indicated. 

Taking all factors into consideration I must say with 
great regret that I do not see how I can allow the 
motion to be put. No. 2 must fall on the same ground. 
The reservations I have about motion No. 19 might be 
considered when that amendment is reached. It is my 
thought that perhaps this proposed motion is irrelevant 
in the sense that it is beyond the scope of the legisla- 
tive item that it seeks to amend. 



Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That 
Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada, be amended by striking out clause 7 on page 5 
thereof and substituting the following: 

"7. (1) The Rules may provide for a rota of judges 
to provide for a continuity of judicial availability in 
any centre where the volume of work or other cir- 
cumstances make such an arrangement expedient. 
(2) No judge shall be required under rules made 
under subsection (1) to remain in any centre other 
than the National Capital Region for a period longer 
than one month, unless it becomes necessary to do so 
to complete the hearing of a cause or matter, or un- 
less he consents thereto." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, pursuant to section 11 of Standing Order 
75, a recorded division was deferred. 



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Mr Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, moved,— That 
Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of Can- 
ada, be amended by striking out clause 18. 

Mr Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, moved,— That 
Bill C-172 An Act respecting the Federal Court of Can- 
ada, be amended by striking out subclause (1) of clause 
•>8 and substituting the following therefor: 

"The Court of Appeal has jurisdiction under this sec- 
tion to hear and determine an application to review 
and set aside a decision or order made by or m the 
course of proceedings before a federal board, com- 
mission of other tribunal upon the ground that the 
board, commission or tribunal 

(a) failed to observe a principal of natural justice or 
otherwise acted beyond or refused to exercise its 
jurisdiction; 

(b) erred in law in making its decision or order, 
whether or not the error appears on the face of the 
record; or 

(c) based its decision or order on an erroneous find- 
ing of fact that it made in a perverse or capricious 
manner or without due regard for the material be- 
fore it;" 

Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, moved,— That 
Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of Can- 
ada, be amended by striking out subclause (3) of clause 
28 and substituting the following therefor: 

"The Court of Appeal shaU have exclusive jurisdic- 
tion (a) to use an injunction, writ of certiorari, writ of 
prohibition, writ of mandamus or writ of quo warranto, 
or grant declaratory relief, against any federal board 
commission or other tribunal; and (b) to hear and 
determine any application or other proceeding for relief 
in the nature of relief contemplated by paragraph (a) 
including any proceeding brought against the Attorney 
General of Canada, to obtain relief against a federal 
board, commission or other tribunal;" 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motions, pursuant to section 11 of Standing Order 
75, a recorded division was deferred. 

Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. Ricard, moved,— That 
Bill C-172 An Act respecting the Federal Court of Can- 
ada, be aniended by striking out lines 1 and 2 on page 18 
thereof and substituting the foUowing: 

"28. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of any other 

Act, the Court". 

Mr Woolliams, seconded by Mr. Ricard, moved,— That 
Bill C-172 An Act respecting the Federal Court of Can- 
ada be amended by striking out paragraph (c) of sub- 
clause (1) of clause 28 on page 18 thereof and sub- 
stituting the following: 

"(c) based its decision or order on an erroneous 
finding of fact that it made in a perverse or capri- 
cious manner." 



After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motions, pursuant to section 11 of Standing Order 
75, a recorded division was deferred. 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. 
Bechard, moved,— That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the 
Federal Court of Canada, be amended by (a) striking 
out line 26 on page 18 and substituting the following: 

"party directly aifected by the decision or"; 
and 

(b) striking out line 31 on page 18 and substituting 
the following: 

"General of Canada or to that party by". 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



Mr Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. 
Bechard, moved,— That Bill C-172, An Act respecting 
the Federal Court of Canada, be amended by striking 
out lines 21 and 22 on page 19 and substituting the 
following: 

"where provision is expressly made by an Act oi the 
Parliament of Canada for an appeal as such to the". 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



Mr Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. 
Bechard, moved,— That Bill C-172, An Act respecting 
the Federal Court of Canada, be amended by striking 
out line 26 on page 20 and substituting the following: 

"Federal Court of Appeal, whether or not leave to 

appeal to the Supreme Court has been refused by 

the Federal Court of Appeal." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, moved,— That 
Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada, be amended by striking out the words "or to 
federal-provincial relations," in subclause (2) of clause 
41 at page 23. 



And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Fortin, Lachance and Breau for Messrs. La- 
prise, Guay (Levis) and Forget on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 



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Mr. Flemming for Mr. Paproski on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Walker for Mr. Groos on the Standing Committee 
on External Affairs and National Defence. 

Mr. Borrie for Mr. Turner (London East) on the 
Standing Committee on Fisheries and Forestry. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Gray, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
— by command of His Excellency the Governor Generad, 
— Report of the Department of National Revenue con- 
taining Statements relative to Customs-Excise Revenue 
and Other Services by Ports; Excise and Income of 
Canada, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pur- 



suant to section 5 of the Department of National 
Revenue Act, chapter 75, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/19. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House dated May 
20, 1970, for a copy of the consultant study by Strong, 
Lamb & Nelson Limited regarding a socio-economic 
land-use plan and design undertaken for the Depart- 
ment of Indian Affairs and Northern Development as 
mentioned in answer to Question Number 584 at page 
21 of the Return. — {Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 423).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/423. 



By unanimous consent, at 5.56 o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2.00 
o'clock p.m., pursuemt to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Lang (Saskatoon-Humboldt), a Member of the 
Queen's Privy Council, laid upon the Table, — Copy of 
Proposals for a Production and Grain Receipts Policy 
for the Western Grains Industry, dated October 29, 1970. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/7. 



Mr. Laniel, seconded by Mr. Richard, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-178, An Act respecting the 
Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada, as reported (with amendments) from the Stand- 
ing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, was again 
considered at the report stage. 



Whereupon the House resumed debate on the motion 
of Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, — That Bill C-172, 
An Act respecting the Federal Court of Canada, be 
amended by striking out the words "or to federal-provin- 
cial relations," in subclause (2) of clause 41 at page 23. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, pursuant to section 11 of Standing Order 
75, a recorded division was deferred. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. WooUiams, seconded by 
Mr. Ricard, moved, — That Bill C-172, An Act respecting 
the Federal Court of Canada, be amended by striking 
out subclause (d) of clause 2, page 1 thereof, and sub- 
stituting therefor the following: 

"(d) "Court" or "Federal Court" means 
(i) the Federal Court of Canada, and 



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(ii) for the Province of Ontario, Nova Scotia, 
New Brunswick or Alberta, the trial division or 
branch of the Supreme Court of the Province, 

(iii) for the Province of Quebec, the Superior 
Court of the Province, 

(iv) for the Province of Newfoundland, the 
Supreme Court of the Province, 
(v) for the Province of British Columbia or 
Prince Edward Island, the Supreme Court of the 
Province, 

(vi) for the Province of Manitoba or Sas- 
katchewan, the Court of Queen's Bench for the 
Province, and 

(vii) for the Yukon Territory or the Northwest 
Territories, the Territorial Court thereof;" 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by striking out subclause (e) 
of clause 2, page 1 thereof, and substituting therefor: 
"(e) "Court of Appeal" or "Federal Court of Appeal" 
means 

(i) that division of the Federal Court of Canada 
referred to as the Court of Appeal or Federal 
Court of Appeal by this Act 
and 

(ii) with respect to an appeal from a court other 
than the Federal Court of Canada, the court 
exercising general appellate jurisdiction with 
respect to appeals from that court;". 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by adding to clause 28 page 19 
thereof the following subclause: 

"(7) The notice of appeal and the filing shall follow 

the rules' set out in section 27." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motions, pursuant to section 11 of Standing Order 
75, a recorded division was deferred. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Prwate Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

[Notices of Motions {Papers)] 

Mr. Howard (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, 
—That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the report on attitudes of Indian people based mainly 
on a visit to the Six Nations Reserve on July 16, 1969, 
submitted to the Department of Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development by Berger, Tisdall, Clark and 
Lesley Ltd., as referred to at page 6 of the quarterly 
report on public relations activity, June, July, August, 
1969 by the said Berger, Tisdall, Clark and Lesley Ltd. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 2). 

After debate thereon, by unanimous consent, the said 
motion was withdrawn. 



By unanimous consent, 

Mr. Buchanan, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister 
of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, laid upon 
the Table, — Copy of an amended letter from Mr. Lance 
Connery regarding Indian Attitudes. — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-7/8. 



Order numbered 24 having been called was allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 



Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mrs. Maclnnis, moved, — That an Order of the House do 
issue for a copy of any reports or reviews with regard to 
social welfare legislation and income security prepared 
by or under the direction of Dr. J. W. Willard, Deputy 
Minister of Welfare for Canada, since June 25, 1968. — 
{Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 51). 



And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expiree. 



Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada, as reported (with amendments) from the Stand- 
ing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, was again 
considered at the report stage. 

Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. McCutcheon, movea, — 
That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada, be amended by adding to clause 38 page 22 
tiiereof the following subclause: 

"(3) The provisions of section 38 shall apply where 
persons other than the Crown are involved in any 
such proceedings." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was negatived, on division. 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Lang 
(Saskatoon-Humbolt), moved, — That Bill C-172, An Act 
respecting the Federal Court of Canada, be amended by 
(a) striking out line 5 on page 35 and substituting the 
following: 

"the Crown in any proceedings in the Court shall be 

paid to the Receiver" 

;and 

(b) striking out lines 19 to 21 on page 35 and sub- 
stituting the following: 

"Crown in any proceedings in the Court." 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



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Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Chre- 
tien, moved, — That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the 
Federal Court of Canada, be amended by striking out line 
33 on page 37 and substituting the following: 

"applies, to the exclusion of any other right of appeal, 
in respect of a judgment, de-". 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Chre- 
tien, moved, — That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the 
Federal Court of Canada, be amended by (a) striking out 
line 16 on page 40 and substituting the following: 

"Parliament of Canada other than this Act, including 

any such Act passed in the Third Session of the 

Twenty-eighth Parliament," 

;and 

(b) striking out lines 26 to 29 on page 40 and sub- 
stituting the following: 

"Column I of Schedule B to this Act are repealed or 
amended in the manner and to the extent indicated 
in Colunm II of that Schedule." 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Chre- 
tien, moved, — That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the 
Federal Court of Canada, be amended by striking out 
lines 30 to 37 on page 40 and lines 1 to 11 on page 41 and 
substituting the following: 

"65. This Act shall come into force on a day to be 
fixed by proclamation." 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton) , 
seconded by Mr. Chretien, moved, — That Schedule B of 
Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of Can- 
ada, be amended 

(a) by striking out the subheading "Part I" on 
page 43; 

(b) by striking out the amendment to the Canada 
Elections Act, 1960, c. 39 and substituting the follow- 
ing amendment to the Canada Elections Act, 1969-70, 
c. 49, on page 43: 

"Canada Subsection 3(4) is repealed and the follow- 

AcTi9«9^70 ^"^ substituted therefor: 

c.« ' ' "(4) The Chief Electoral Officer shall 

be paid a salary equal to the salary of 
a judge of the Federal Court of Canada, 
other tbfin ihe Chief Justice or the Asso- 
ciate Chief Justice of that Court, includ- 
ing any additional salary authorized by 
section 20 of the Judges Act, and is en- 
titled to be paid reasonable travelling and 

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living expenses while absent from his or- 
dinary place of residence in the course of 
his duties." "; 

(c) with reference to the amendments to the Canada 
Shipping Act, as follows: 

1. by striking out the first line of item 7 set out in 
Column II on page 46 and substituting. the following: 

"7. Subsection 658(1) is re-" ; 

2. by adding immediately after item 7 on page 47 
the following item: 

"8. Subsection 658(2) is repealed." 

3. by renumbering items 8 to 10 as items 9 to 11, 
respectively, 

4. by striking out the first line of the renumbered 
item 10 on page 47 and substituting the following: 

"10. Subsections 710(1) and (2) are repealed" ; 

5. by striking out the first twelve lines on page 48 
and substituting the following: 

"discharging of cargoes on board or from that ship, 
or the trimming of coal on board that ship, and that 
ship is at any time found in Canadian waters, the 
Admiralty Court may, upon its being shown by any 
person applying in accordance with rules of court 
that prima facie the claim against the owners is 
a good claim, issue an order for the arrest of the 
ship." 

6. by striking out subsection 710(3) on page 48; 

(d) by adding the following item to the amendments to 
the Customs Act set out on page 52, as item 1 thereof, 
and by renumbering items 1 to 6 as items 2 to 7, 
respectively: 

"1. Paragraph 45(1) (c) is repealed and the follow- 
ing substituted therefor: 

"(c) any person who entered an appearance in ac- 
cordance with subsection (2) of section 44, if he has 
a substantial interest in the appeal and has obtained 
leave from the Court," " ; 

(c) by striking out the renumbered item 7 of the 
amendments to the Customs Act on page 54 and sub- 
stituting the following: 

"7. Paragraph 45(21) (c) is repealed and the follow- 
ing substituted therefor: 

"(c) "rules" means rules made under the Federal 

Court Act."" 

» 

(/) by striking out item 4 of the amendments to the 

Divorce Act on page 55 and substituting the following: 

"4. Subsection 20(2) is repealed and the following 
substituted therefor: 

"(2) For the purposes of this section, where any 
petitions for divorce pending between a husband and 
wife are removed under subsection (2) of section 5 
by direction of the Federal Court — Trial Division 
into that Court for adjudication, the proceedings shall 
be deemed to be taken in the province specified in 
such direction to be the province with which the 
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associated according to the facts appearing from the 
petitions." " ; 

(fif) by striking out the amendment set out in Column 
II opposite the Excise Tax Act on page 55 and sub- 
stituting the following: 

"Subsection 58(3) is repealed and the following sub- 
stituted therefor: 

"(3) Where leave to appeal under this section is 
granted, the appellant shall, within sixty days from 
the granting of the leave, deposit in the Registry of 
the Federal Court the sum of one hundred and fifty 
dollars as security for costs, and thereupon shall set 
the appeal down for hearing at such time and place 
as the Court may direct, and an officer of the Registry 
shall notify the Tariff Board, the appellant and the 
other parties to the proceedings under section 57 
accordingly." " J 

(h) by striking out the amendment to the Expropria- 
tion Act, R.S., c. 106 and substituting the following 
amendments to the Expropriation Act, 1969-70, c. 41, 
on page 55: 
"Expropria- 1. Paragraph 2(1) (a) is repealed and the 
tionAct following substituted therefor: 
1969-70, c. 41 ,,^^^ "Court" means the Federal Court 

of Canada;" 
2. Paragraph 43(b) is amended by add- 
ing thereto the words "except that upon the 
coming into force of the Federal Court Act, 
the reference shall be construed as a ref- 
erence to section 57 of that Act;"." ; 

(i) by striking out the last twelve lines on page 58 
set out in Column II, with reference to the Industrial 
Design and Union Label Act, and substituting the 
following: 

" "24. A certified copy of any order of the Court for 
the making, expunging or varying of any entry in 
the register of industrial designs, or for adding to 
or altering any registered industrial design, shall be 
transmitted to the Minister by an officer of the Regis- 
try of the Court, and such register shall thereupon 
be rectified or altered in conformity with such order, 
or the purport of the order otherwise dialy entered 
therein, as the case may be." " ; 

(j) by adding thereto, immediately after the amend- 
ments to the National Energy Board Act set out on 
page 61, the following: 

"Northern Section 21 is repealed and the following 

Inland substituted therefor: 

Wstcrs Act 

1969-70. c. 66 "21. (1) An appeal lies from a decision 

or order of a board to the Federal Court 
of Appeal upon a question of law, or a 
question of jurisdiction, upon leave there- 
for being obtained from that Court on 
application made within one month after 
the making of the decision or order sought 
to be appealed from or within such further 
time as that Court or a judge thereof under 
special circumstances allows. 



(2) No appesd lies after leave therefor 
has been obtained under subsection (1) 
unless it is entered in the Federal Court 
of Appeal within sixty days from the mak- 
ing of the order granting leave to appeal. 

(3) Any minute or other record of a 
board or any document issued by a board 
in the form of a decision or order shall, if 
it relates to the issue, renewal, amend- 
ment or cancellation of a licence, be deemed 
for the purposes of section 20 and this 
section to be a decision or order of the 
board." 

Nuclear The heading immediately preceding sec- 

igM-K^e?^ ^^""^ 26 and section 26 are repealed." ; 

(k) by striking out the reference to "subsection 64(3)" 
in the list of sections contained in item 1 of the 
amendments to the Railway Act on page 62; and 
(I) by striking out Part II thereof on pages 65 and 
66. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

And the House having reverted to the deferred division 
on motions numbered 1, 2 and 10, as follows: 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by striking out subclause (d) of 
clause 2, page 1 thereof, and substituting therefor the 
following: 

"(d) "Court" or "Federal Court" means 
(i) the Federal Court of Canada, and 
(ii) for the Province of Ontario, Nova Scotia, 
New Brunswick or Alberta, the trial division or 
branch of the Supreme Court of the Province, 
(iii) for the Province of Quebec, the Superior 
Court of the Province, 

(iv) for the Province of Newfoundland, the 
Supreme Court of the Province, 
(v) for the Province of British Columbia or 
Prince Edward Island, the Supreme Court of the 
Province, 

(vi) for the Province of Manitoba or Sas- 
katchewan, the Court of Queen's Bench for the 
Province, and 

(vii) for the Yukon Territory or the Northwest 
Territories, the Territorial Court thereof;" — Mr. 
Woolliams. 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal 

Court of Canada, be amended by striking out subclause 

(e) of clause 2, page 1 thereof, and substituting therefor: 

"(e) "Court of Appeal" or "Federal Court of 

Appeal" means 

(i) that division of the Federal Court of Canada 
referred to as the Court of Appeal or Federal 
Court of Appeal by this Act 
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(ii) with respect to an appeal from a court other 
than the Federal Court of Canada, the court 
exercising general appellate jurisdiction with 
respect to appeals from that court;" — Mr, Wool- 
liavfis. 



Court of Canada, be amended by adding to clause 28 
page 19 thereof the following subclause: 

"(7) The notice of appeal and the filing shall follow 
the rules set out in section 27." — Mr. Woolliams. 

And the question being put on the said motions, they 



That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal were negatived on the following division: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Bigg, 

Code, 

Comeau, 

Crouse, 

Dionne, 

Fairweather, 

Forrestall, 

Fortin, 



Gauthier, 

Godin, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Harding, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Laprise, 

La Salle, 

Lundrigan, 

MacDonald 
(Egmont), 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

Maclnnis (Mrs.), 

MacLean, 

MacRae, 

McCleave, 

McCutcheon, 



Nays 

Messrs. 



Mcintosh, 

McQuaid, 

Mather, 

Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Noble, 

Nowlan, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 



Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Schumacher, 

Skoberg, 

Southam, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Tetrault, 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Woolliams, 
Yewchuk — 57. 



Allmand, 


Davis, 


Howard (Okeinagan 


Mahoney, 


Rochon, 


Andras, 


Deachman, 


Boundary), 


Major, 


Roy (Laval), 


Badanai, 


De Bane, 


HjTnmen, 


Marceau, 


Serr6, 


Basford, 


Douglas 


Jamieson, 


Marchand 


Smith 


B^chard, 


(Assiniboia), 


Jerome, 


(Kamloops- 


(Saint-Jean), 


Beer, 


Dub6, 


Laing (Vancouver 


Cariboo), 


Stafford, 


Benson, 


Duquet, 


South), 


Munro, 


St. Pierre, 


Blouin, 


Forest, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Murphy, 


SuUivan, 


Borrie, 


Forget, 


Humboldt), 


Noel, 


Thomas 


Boulanger, 


Foster, 


Langlois, 


O'Connell, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Breau, 


Francis, 


Laniel, 


Olson, 


Rosemont) , 


Caccia, 


Gendron, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Otto, 


Trudeau, 


Chappell, 


Gibson, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Penner, 


Trudel, 


Chritien, 


Gillespie, 


Lefebvre, 


Pepin, 


Turner 


Cobbe, 


Goode, 


Legault, 


Perrault, 


(London East), 


Comtois, 


Goyer, 


Lessard 


Pilon, 


Turner 


Corbin, 


Gray, 


(Lac-Saint-Jeah), 


Pringle, 


(Ottawa-Carleton), 


Cullen, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


MacEachen, 


Prud'homme, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 


Guilbault, 


Mackasey, 


Reid, 


Watson, 


Danson, 


Hellyer, 


Mcllraith, 


Roberts, 


Weatherhead, 




Hopkins, 


McNulty, 


Robinson, 


Whelan, 
Whiting— 93. 



And the House having proceeded to the deferred divi- 
sion on the motion of Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. 
Bell, — That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal 
Court of Canada, be amended by striking out clause 7 
on page 5 thereof and substituting the following: 

"7. (1) The Rules may provide for a rota of judges 
to provide for a continuity of judicial availability in 
any centre where the volume of work or other cir- 
cumstances make such an arrangement expedient." 



(2) No judge shall be required under rules made 
under subsection (1) to remain in any centre other 
than the National Capital Region for a period longer 
than one month, unless it becomes necessary to do so 
to complete the hearing of a cause or matter, or un- 
less he consents thereto." 

And the question being put on the said motion it was 
negatived on the following division: 



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Yeas 










Messrs. 






Aiken, 


Gauthier, 


Laprise, 


Mcintosh, 


Ricard, 


Alkenbrack, 


Godin, 


La Salle, 


McQuaid, 


Ritchie, 


Baldwin, 


GriUs, 


Limdrigan, 


Mather, 


Rodrigue, 


Barnett, 


Gundlock, 


MacDonald 


Matte, 


Schumacher, 


BeU, 


Harding, 


(Egmont), 


Mazankowski, 


Skoberg, 


Benjamin, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Maclnnis (Cape- 


Monteith, 


Southam, 


Bigg, 


North Centre), 


Breton-East 


Moore, 


Stewart 


Code, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Richmond), 


Noble, 


(Marquette), 


Comeau, 


Haldimand), 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Nowlan, 


T6trault, 


Grouse, 


Lambert 


MacLean, 


Orlikow, 


Thomas 


Dionne, 


(Bellechasse), 


MacRae, 


Paproski, 


(Moncton), 


Fairweather, 


Lambert 


McCleave, 


Peddle, 


WooUiams, 


Forrestall, 


(Edmonton West), 


McCutcheon, 


Peters, 


Yewchuk— 57. 


Fortin, 











Allmand, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Caccia, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Cobbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Davis, 



Deachman, 
De Ban6, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Dube, 
Duquet, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Goode, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guilbault, 
Hellyer, 
Hopkins, 



Nays 
Messrs. 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Jamieson, 
Jerome, 
Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint- Jean), 
MacEachen, 
Mackasey, 
Mcllraith, 
McNulty, 



Mahoney, 

Major, 

Marceau, 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Munro, 

Murphy, 

Noel, 

O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Otto, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Pilon, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Roberts, 

Robinson, 



Rochon, 
Roy (Laval), 
Serr6, 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
St. Pierre, 
Sullivan, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whiting— 93. 



And the House having proceeded to the deferred divi- 
sion on motions numbered 4, 7 and 9, as follows: 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by striking out clause 18. — 
Mr. Brewin. 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by striking out subclause (1) of 
clause 28 and substituting the following therefor: 

"The Court of Appeal has jurisdiction under this sec- 
tion to hear and determine an application to review and 
set aside a decision or order made by or in the course 
of proceedings before a federal board, commission or 
other tribunal upon the ground that the board, com- 
mission or tribunal 



(a) failed to observe a principle of natural justice or 
otherwise acted beyond or refused to exercise its 

• jurisdiction; 

(b) erred in law in making its decision or order, 
whether or not the error appears on the face of the 
record; or 

(c) based its decision or order on an erroneous find- 
ing of fact that it made in a perverse or capricious 
manner or without due regard for the material before 
it;" — Mr. Brewin. 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by striking out subclause (3) of 
clause 28 and substituting the following therefor: 

"The Court of Appeal shall have exclusive jurisdic- 
tion (a) to issue an injunction, writ of certiorari, writ 



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of prohibition, writ of mandamus or writ of quo war- 
ranto, or grant declaratory relief, against any federal 
board, commission or other tribunal; and (b) to hear 
and determine any application or other proceeding for 
relief in the nature of relief contemplated by paragraph 
(a) including any proceeding brought against the 



Attorney General of Canada, to obtain relief against a 
federal board, commission or other tribunal;" — Mr. 
Brewin. 

And the question being put on the said motions, they 
were negatived on the following division: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Bigg, 

Code, 

Comeau, 

Crouse, 

Dionne, 

Fairweather, 

Forrestall, 

Fortin, 



Gauthier, 

Godin, 

GriHs, 

Gundlock, 

Harding, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Laprise, 

La Salle, 

Lundrigan, 

MacDonald 
(Egmont), 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

Maclnnis (Mrs.), 

MacLean, 

MacRae, 

McCleave, 

McCutcheon, 



Nays 
Messrs. 



Mcintosh, 

McQuaid, 

Mather, 

Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Noble, 

Nowlan, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 



Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Schumacher, 

Skoberg, 

Southam, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
T6trault, 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
WooUiams, 
Yewchuk — 57. 



Allmand, 


De Ban6, 


Jamieson, 


Marchand 


Smith 


Andras, 


Douglas 


Jerome, 


(Kamloops- 


(Northumberland- 


Badanai, 


(Assiniboia), 


Laing (Vancouver 


Cariboo), 


Miramichi), 


Basford, 


Dube, 


South), 


Munro, 


Smith 


Bechard, 


Duquet, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Murphy, 


(Saint-Jean), 


Beer, 


Forest, 


Humboldt), 


Noel, 


Stafford, 


Benson, 


Forget, 


Langlois, 


O'Connell, 


St. Pierre, 


Blouin, 


Foster, 


Laniel, 


Olson, 


Sullivan, 


Borrie, 


Francis, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Otto, 


Thomas 


Boulanger, 


Gendron, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Penner, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Breau, 


Gibson, 


Lefebvre, 


Pepin, 


Rosemont), 


Caccia, 


Gillespie, 


Legault, 


Perrault, 


Trudeau, 


Chappell, 


Goode, 


Lessard 


Pilon, 


Trudel, 


Chretien, 


Goyer, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Pringle, 


Turner 


Cobbe, 


Gray, 


MacEachen, 


Prud'homme, 


(London East), 


Comtois, 


Guay (St. BonUace), 


Mackasey, 


Reid, 


Turner 


Corbin, 


Guilbault, 


Mcllraith, 


Roberts, 


(Ottawa-Carleton) 


Cullen, 


HeUyer, 


McNulty, 


Robinson, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 


Hopkins, 


Mahoney, 


Rochon, 


Watson, 


Danson, 


Howard (Okanagan 


Major, 


Roy (Laval), 


Weatherhead, 


Davis, 


Boimdary), 


Marceau, 


Serre, 


Whelan, 


Deachman, 


Hymmen, 






Whiting— 94. 



And the House having proceeded to the deferred divi- 
sion on motions numbered 5 and 6, as follows: 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 
of Canada, be amended by striking out lines 1 and 2 on 
page 18 thereof and substituting the following: 

"28. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of any 
other Act, the Court" — Mr. Woolliams. 

That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court 



of Canada, be amended by striking out paragraph (c) of 
subclause (1) of clause 28 on page 18 thereof and sub- 
stituting ■ the following: 

"(c) based its decision or order on an erroneous 
finding of fact that it made in a perverse or capri- 
cious manner." — Mr. Woolliams. 

And the question being put on the said motions, they 
were negatived on the following division: 



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/Jken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

BeU, 

Bigg, 

Code, 

Comeau, 

Crouse, 

Dionne, 

Fairweather, 

Forrestall, 

Fortin, 



Gauthier, 

Godin, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Laprise, 
La Salle, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Lundrigan, 

MacDonald 
(Egmont), 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

MacLean, 

MacRae, 

McCleave, 

McCutcheon, 

Mcintosh, 

McQuaid, 



Marshall, 

Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Noble, 

Nowlan, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 



Schumacher, 

Southam, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Tetrault, 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Woolliams, 
Yewchuk— 49. 



Nays 
Messrs. 



AUmand, 


De Bane, 


Jerome, 


Marchand 


Serre, 


Andras, 


Douglas 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


(Kamloops- 


Skoberg, 


Badanai, 


(Assiniboia), 


North Centre), 


Cariboo), 


Smith 


Barnett, 


Dube, 


Laing (Vancouver 


Mather, 


(Northumberland- 


Basford, 


Duquet, 


South), 


Munro, 


Miramiclii), 


B6chard, 


Forest, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Murphy, 


Smith 


Beer, 


Forget, 


Humboldt), 


Noel, 


(Saint- Jean), 


Benjamin, 


Foster, 


Langlois, 


O'Connell, 


Stafford, 


Benson, 


Francis, 


Laniel, 


Olson, 


St. Pierre, 


Blouin, 


Gendron, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Orlikow, 


Sullivan, 


Borrie, 


Gibson, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Otto, 


Thomas 


Boulanger, 


Gillespie, 


Lefebvre, 


Penner, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Breau, 


Goode, 


Legault, 


Pepin, 


Rosemont) , 


Caccia, 


Goyer, 


Lessard 


Perrault, 


Trudeau, 


Chappell, 


Gray, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Peters, 


Trudel, 


Chretien, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


MacEachen, 


Pilon, 


Turner 


Cobbe, 


Guilbault, 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Pringle, 


(London East), 


Comtois, 


Harding, 


Mackasey, 


Prud'homme, 


Turner 


Corbin, 


Hellyer, 


Mcllraith, 


Reid, 


(Ottawa-Carleton), 


CuUen, 


Hopkins, 


McNulty, 


Roberts, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 


Howard (Okanagan 


Mahoney, 


Robinson, 


Watson, 


Danson, 


Boundary), 


Major, 


Rochon, 


Weatherhead, . 


Davis, 


Hymmen, 


Marceau, 


Roy (Laval), 


Whelan, 


Deachman, 


Jamieson, 






Whiting— 103. 



And the House having proceeded to the deferred divi- 
sion on the motion of Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, 
— That Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada, be amended by striking out the words "or to 



federal-provincial relations," in subclause (2) of clause 41 
at page 23. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 



Yeas 

Messrs. 



Aiken, 


Crouse, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Maclnnis (Cape 


McQuaid, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fairweather, 


Haldimand) 




Breton-East 


Marshall, 


Baldwin, 


Forrestall, 


Lambert 




Richmond), 


Mather, 


Barnett, 


Grills, 


(Edmonton 


West), 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Mazankowski, 


Bell, 


Gundlock, 


La Salle, 




MacLean, 


Monteith, 


Benjamin, 


Harding, 


Lundrigan, 




MacRae, 


Moore, 


Bigg, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


MacDonald 




McCleave, 


Noble, 


Code, 


North Centre), 


(Egmont), 




McCutcheon, 


Nowlan, 


Comeau, 








Mcintosh, 


Orlikow, 



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Paproskl, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 



Ricard, 
Ritchie, 
Schumacher, 



Skoberg, 
Southam, 



Stewart 
(Marquette), 



Nays 
Messrs. 



Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Woolliams, 
Yewchuk — 49. 



Allmand, 


Douglas 


Hymmen, 


Major, 


Serr6, 


Andras, 


(Assiniboia), 


Jamieson, 


Marceau, 


Smith 


Badanai, 


Dub6, 


Jerome, 


Marchand 


(Northumberland- 


Basford, 


Duquet, 


Laing (Vancouver 


(Kamloops- 


Miramichi), 


B6chard, 


Forest, 


South), 


Cariboo), 


Smith 


Beer, 


Forget, 


Lambert 


Matte, 


(Saint-Jean), 


Benson, 


Fortin, 


(Bellechasse), 


Munro, 


Stafford, 


Blouin, 


Foster, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Murphy, 


St. Pierre, 


Borrie, 


Francis, 


Humboldt), 


Noel, 


Sullivan, 


Boulanger, 


Gauthier, 


Langlois, 


O'Connell, 


T6trault, 


Breau, 


Gendron, 


Laniel, 


Olson, 


Thomas 


Caccia, 


Gibson, 


Laprise, 


Otto, 


(Maisonneuve- 


ChappeU, 


Gillespie, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Penner, 


Rosemont), 


Chretien, 


Godin, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Pepin, 


Trudeau, 


Cobbe, 


Goode, 


Lefebvre, 


Perrault, 


Trudel, 


Comtois, 


Goyer, 


Legault, 


Pilon, 


Turner 


Corbin, 


Gray, 


Lessard 


Pringle, 


(London East), 


Cullen, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Prud'homme, 


Turner 


Cyr, 


Guilbault, 


MacEachen, 


Reid, 


(Ottawa-Carleton) , 


Danson, 


Hellyer, 


Mackasey, 


Roberts, 


Walker, 


Davis, 


Hopkins, 


Mcllraith, 


Robinson, 


Watson, 


Deachman, 


Howard (Okanagan 


McNulty, 


Rochon, 


Weatherhead, 


De Bane, 


Boundary), 


Mahoney, 


Rodrigue, 


Whelan, 


Dionne, 






Roy (Laval), 


Whiting— 103. 



On motion of Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, the said bill, as amended, was con- 
curred in at the report stage. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third 
time and passed, on division. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the 
motion of Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Benson, — That 
Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Emergency Gold Mining 
Assistance Act be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on National Resources and 
Public Works. 

And debate continuing; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 
24168—6 



Changes in CorriTnittee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Lachance and Cullen for Messrs. St. Pierre 
and Blair on the Standing Committee on Procedure 
and Organization. 

Mr. Leblanc (Laurier) for Mr. Jerome on the Joint 
Committee on the Parliamentary Restaurant. 

Messrs. B^chard and Sullivan for Messrs. Cantin and 
Blair on the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Tariff Board, relative to the In- 
vestigation ordered by the Minister of Finance respecting 
Knitted Outer Garments — Reference 145, (English and 
French), together with a copy of the transcript of evi- 



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dence presented at the public hearings, pursuant to sec- 
tion 6 of the Tariff Board Act; chapter 261, R.S.C., 1952. 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-4/1. 

By Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Annual Report of the Department of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, with 
respect to the Industrial Research and Development In- 
centives Act, pursuant to section 17 of the said Act, 



chapter 82, Statutes of Canada, .1966-67. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/164. 



At 10.17 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OF THE 



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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 30, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. MacGuigan, from the Special Joint Committee of 
the Senate and of the House of Commons on the Constitu- 
tion of Canada, presented the First Report of the said 
Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference which gives your 
Committee the power to adjourn from place to place 
within Canada, the Committee has adopted the follow- 
ing schedule of hearings outside of dttawa which is 
subject to review by the Conmiittee on the recom- 
mendation of the Subcommittee on Agenda and Pro- 
cedure, and of which your Committee hereby gives 
notice to all members: 



November 16-19 
(Monday-Thursday) 

December 7-11 
(Monday-Friday) 

24168— €J 



Saskatchewan 

Saskatoon, Yorkton, 
Regina 

Southern Ontario 
Toronto, Hamilton, 
London, Windsor 



January 8-15 
(Friday-Friday) 



February 15-19 
( Monday-Friday ) 



March 15-19 

( Monday-Friday) 



April 19-21 

( Monday- Wednesday ) 



British Columbia 
Victoria, Vancouver, 
Prince George, 
Kamloops 

Southern Alberta 
Calgary, Lethbridge 

Eastern and Northern 

Ontario 

Kingston, Sudbury, 
Sault Ste. Marie, 
Thunder Bay 

Western and Northern 

Quebec 

Sherbrooke, Trois-Rl- 
vieres, Hull, Rouyn- 
Noranda 

Eastern Quebec 

Quebec, Chicoutimi, 
Jonquiere, Rimouski 



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May 17-21 

( Monday-Friday ) 



June 7-11 

( Monday-Friday ) 



Newfoundland 
St. John's 

New Brunswick 

Moncton, Sackville 

(Mt. Allison Univer- 
sity) , Saint John, 
Fredericton 

Northern Alberta 

Edmonton 
Northwest Territories 

Yellowknife, Inuvik 



A public meeting will also be arranged in the cities 
of Ottawa and Montreal on dates to be determined. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Greene, seconded by Mr. Benson, — That Bill C-4, An 
Act to amend the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance 
Act be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on National Resources and Public 
Works. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Regional 
Development of Bill C-5, An Act to authorize the mak- 
ing of a grant to the Province of Nova Scotia for the 
purpose of providing assistance to Deuterium of Canada 
Limited. 

Mr. Greene for Mr. Marchand (Langelier), seconded 
by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Conrunittee on Regional Development. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Regional 
Development. 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton) for Mr. MacEachen, 
seconded by Mr. Pepin, moved, — That the Public 
Accounts for the year ended March 31, 1969, and the 
Auditor General's Report thereon, and the evidence 
adduced by the Committee during the past Session in 
relation thereto be referred to the Standing Conunittee 
on Public Accounts. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs of Bill C-174, An Act to establish the 
Tax Review Board and to make certain amendments to 
other Acts in relation thereto. 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. 
Dub6, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed the following 
bill to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 

Bill S-2, An Act respecting statistics of Canada. — Mr. 
Pepin. 



[At 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 {4)] 

{Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Labour, Man- 
power and Immigration of Bill C-6, An Act respecting 
the Employment of Women in Federal Jurisdiction be- 
fore and after Childbirth; 

Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre) moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

And a point of order having been raised with respect 
to the possibility of a money provision in the said bill; 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That Clause 
6 of the said bill be deleted and that the bill be re- 
printed and retain its precedence on the Order Paper. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections of Bill C-7, An Act to amend the Canadian 
Commercial Corporation. 

Mr. Stewart (Cochrane), seconded by Mr. Penner, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections. 

And a point of order having been raised with respect 
to the possibility of a money provision in the said bill; 

Mr. Deputy Speaker reserved his decision. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the Hotise 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated 
October 28, 1970, for a copy of the report of the Cana- 
dian Transport Commission concerning the investiga- 
tion into the mishap on the CNR Rivers Subdivision on 
April 28, 1968, where three employees were killed when 



the engine went through the bridge. — {Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 78) — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-3/78. 



By unanimous consent, at 4.35 o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until Monday at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. 
Mcllraith, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-179, 
An Act respecting the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public 
Bridge Company, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. 
Marchand (Langelier), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Kierans, by leave of 
the House, introduced BiU C-180, An Act respecting 
the packaging, labelling, sale, importation and advertis- 
ing of prepackaged and certain other products, which 
was read the first time and ordered to be printed and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



The following biU from the Senate was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sit- 
ting of the House: 

Bill S-2, An Act respecting statistics of Canada. — Mr. 
Pepin. 



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The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Dub6, — 
That Bill C-174, An Act to establish the Tax Review 
Board and to make certain amendments to other Acts 
in relation thereto, be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 



After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Agriculture of 
Bill C-176, An Act to establish the National Farm Prod- 
ucts Marketing Council and to authorize the establishment 
of national marketing agencies for farm products; 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Aifairs of Bill C-177, An Act respecting coopera- 
tive associations; 

Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Davis, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

And debate arising thereon; 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That 
the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization 
review Standing Orders dealing with Private Members 
Public Bills with a view to making a report to the 
House with a recommendation that such changes be 
made as will allow a recorded vote on some of such 
bills. — Notice oj Motion No. 1. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Ordered, — That upon completion of second reading, 
Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
be referred to a Committee of the Whole House. 



The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report, dated October 30, 1970, of the Prices 
and Incomes Commission, entitled "Chartered Bank 
Operations and Earnings under the Restraint Program" 
(Chairman — John H. Young, Esq.). (English and French). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/372. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council.^Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of Wednesday, 
October 28, 1970, pursuant to section. 7 of the Regulations 
Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/342A. 

By Mr. Pelletier, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of the Company of Young Canadians 
for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to 
section 25 of the Company of Young Canadians Act, 
chapter 36, Statutes of Canada, 1966-67. (English and 
French). Sessional Paper No. 283-1/113. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Basford, 
seconded by Mr. Davis,— That Bill C-177, An Act re- 
specting cooperative associations, be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton) , 
seconded by Mr. Cot^ (Longueuil), by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-182, An Act to provide for the examina- 
tion, publication and scrutiny of regulations and other 
statutory instruments, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Olson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill C-176, 
An Act to establish the National Farm Products Market- 
ing Council and to authorize the establishment of national 
marketing agencies for farm products, be now read a 
second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 

And debate continuing; 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 
evidence adduced in relation to a bill with like provi- 
sions in the last session be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture, provided that there shall be 
no restriction as to the hearing of evidence in this 
Session. 

And, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Agriculture of 
Bill C-175, An Act respecting grain; 



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Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved,— That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

And debate arising thereon; 

And a point of order having been raised regarding the 
adequacy of the Recommendation of His Excellency the 
Governor General. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: It seems to me there are tvro points 
which the Chair should consider at this time. The first 
is the relatively narrow point raised by the honourable 
Member for Peace River to which the Minister of Agri- 
culture has replied, namely, whether a new charge is 
created by section 108 of the Canada Grain Act. 

The honourable Minister argues that in fact there is 
no new charge on the Treasury because we are simply 
re-enacting a provision of a former statute, the Prairie 
Farm Assistance Act. The Minister assures the Chair 
that a similar provision was included in the previous 
statute. I am not too sure of the argument of the 
honourable Member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) that 
there is a new charge being created at this time which 
might require an alteration of the Recommendation of 
His Excellency. That would be my ruling for the time 
being. I have to take into account, also, and I do take 
into account, that it would not be a matter of great 
moment to have the recommendation changed if the 
Chair considered a change should be made. I recall that 
when a similar matter was brought to my attention some 
days ago I agreed with the honourable Member who 
had raised the point that the recommendation ought to be 
changed, and as a result of a sudden and speedy action 
on the part of the Minister responsible for the bill then 
before the House, a new Recommendation was obtained 
and accepted by honourable Members. 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre 
(Mr. Knowles) has raised a much wider question which 
is one of greater interest. He may remember, if he was 
in the House, that when a similar point of order was 
raised by the honourable Member for Edmonton West, I 
did say— unfortunately, I do not have the text of my 
statement here— I had often thought that the only thing 
which might be required as far as the Recommendation 
was concerned was a general statement from His Excel- 
lency to the effect that His Excellency had looked at a 
bill, and recommended it for the attention of the House. 
SubstantiaUy it seems to me the form of the Recom- 
mendation which was received by the House as part of 
our practice before the change in our rules. I have an 
example before me dating from some years back; the 
Minister introducing a bill simply said that His Excel- 
lency the Governor General, having been made aware of 
the subject-matter of the resolution, recommended it for 
the consideration of the House. This may be all that is 
really required from a constitutional standpoint. The 
Crown must retain the financial initiative and this is done 
through a Recommendation from His Excellency. It may 



be that His Excellency, having looked at the bill and 
having noticed that there were financial implications, 
might recommend the proposed measure to the House. 

As the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre 
has very clearly said — and I am very strongly inclined 
to go along with his reasoning — we appear to be con- 
fusing the resolution stage of the bill, which has now 
been discontinued, and the Recommendation. It may be 
that before we changed the rules these were two separate 
matters — the Recommendation made in the terms I have 
just indicated, and then a resolution which delineated the 
four corners of the bill which would come before the 
House but which was not then known to honourable 
Members and, indeed, not known to His Excellency as his 
Recommendation was directed to the resolution. It may 
be that His Excellency should see the bill and then 
recommend it to the House. It may well be that this is 
all that should be required to allow honourable Mem- 
bers to proceed with consideration of a measure advanced 
for study by the Government. The honourable Member 
for Winnipeg North Centre has suggested this might be 
a point which could be considered by the Committee on 
Procedure and Organization. I agree with tliat. If I were 
asked to make a ruling now, I would tend to make a 
ruling that all that is required under our rules and 
Standing Order 62 is to have a recommendation come 
forward: it might not be necessary to have it in detail, 
but the regulations and our Standing Orders, in particular 
Standing Orders 62(1) and 62(2) might be entirely satis- 
fied by a reconamendation in generad terms as submitted 
to the House. 

This would be obiter dictum at the present time, be- 
cause I have not ruled that, and in my view, it may be 
that the explanation given by the Minister of Agricul- 
ture (Mr. Olson) is sufficient and that the recommenda- 
tion as it stands, if it were required to be in detailed 
form, is sufficient. 

If the matter were raised again it may be at that 
point a decision would have to be made by the Chair as 
to whether a detailed recommendation covering all 
aspects of the bill should be necessary, but this would be 
a matter which could be considered at that time. 
Honourable Members are now on notice in any event 
that this is a matter of importance and of interest, I am 
sure, to the wliole House. If the point of order is raised 
again I would expect to hear further from the honourable 
Members who have taken part in this debate today and, 
I am sure, from other honourable Members who have 
been placed on notice as a result of which they will give 
this matter serious thought. For the moment I would 
suggest that we proceed with the consideration of the bill. 



Debate was resvimed on the motion of Mr. Olson, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen,— That Bill C-175, An Act 
respecting grain, be now read a second time and re- 
ferred to the Standing Conunittee on Agriculture. 

And debate continuing; 



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[.At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Labour, Man- 
power and Immigration of Bill C-6, An Act respecting 
the Employment of Women in Federal Jurisdiction 
before and after Childbirth {As reprinted by Order 
of the House, Friday, October 30, 1970); 

Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Whelan for Mr. Sulatycky on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Agriculture. 

Mr. McGrath for Mr. Aiken on the Special Committee 
on Environmental Pollution. 

Messrs. Noel, Howard (Okanagan Boundary), Lind 
and Cafik for Messrs. Pilon, Lefebvre, CuUen and Dan- 
son on the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Tetrault for Mr. Beaudoin on the Standing Com- 
mittee on National Resources and Public Works. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Olson, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill C-175, An Act 
respecting grain, be now read a second time and re- 
ferred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 
evidence adduced in relation to a bill with like provi- 
sions in the last session be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture, provided that there shall be 
no restriction as to the hearing of evidence in this 
Session. 

And the question being put on the motion of Mr. 
Olson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill C-175, An 
Act respecting grain, be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture, it 
was agreed to. 

And debate continuing; 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare 
and Social Affairs of Bill C-180, An Act respecting the 
packaging, labelling, sale, importation and advertising 
of prepackaged and certain other products; 

Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Octo- 
ber 28, 1970, for a copy of all memoranda, correspon- 
dence, etc., arising out of the proposed closing of the 
office of the Department of Veterans Affairs in London, 
England. — (JVotice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 131). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/131. 

By Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Statement of Receipts and Expenditures under 
Part V of the Canada Shipping Act (Sick Mariners) for 
the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to sec- 
tion 321 of the said Act, chapter 29, R.S.C., 1952. (Eng- 
lish and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/238. 



At 10.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House imtil tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 
1, 3, 4, 7-9 inclusive, 11-15 inclusive, 17-20 inclusive, 23, 
25, 26, 29-31 inclusive, 36-44 inclusive, 46, 47, 49, 50, 
52-59 inclusive, 61-76 inclusive, 79, 81-97 inclusive, 
99-113 inclusive, 133-136 inclusive and 138-147 inclusive 
were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
5, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
correspondence, telegrams and other documents ex- 
changed between Dr. Lloyd Barber and the Native In- 
dian peoples organizations across Canada regarding the 
matter of Indian land and treaty claims and aboriginal 
rights. 



having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 

Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
10, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
correspondence, memoranda, etc., between the Govern- 
ment of Canada and industry in Canada since January 
1, 1970, regarding regulations on the ownership and 
control of the uranium industry in Ceinada, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



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Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
21, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of the 
nearly forty submissions presented to the Economic 
Council of Canada for its review of Canada's competition 
policy, as referred to in the Council's report of July 
1969 at page 4, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
132, as follows: 

That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House a copy of the contract between the Atomic Energy 
of Canada, Ltd. and the Atomic Energy Council of 
Taiwan regarding the sale of a nuclear research reactor, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
27, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
letters received by the Postmaster General from churches, 
professional organizations, trade unions, co-operatives, 
credit unions and private organizations, indicating that 
as a result of the increase in postal rates they intend to 
discontinue or curtail their publications, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
137, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
studies, reviews, etc., that have been undertaken by 
the Government of Canada regarding the consideration 
being given to converting the Public Works Depart- 
ment into a Crown corporation, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Broadview (Mr. Gilbert), transferred by 
the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" 
pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
28, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
report by C. B. Haver of Montreal for Northumberland 
Consultants Limited regarding a review of the cost- 
benefit evaluation by Stanford Research Institute for a 
Prince Edward Island causeway as mentioned in answer 
to Question Number 1,832 reported in Hansard July 21, 
1969 at page 11374, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
80, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
consultant report by Hewart, Newman and Associates 
and Julian, Hebert and Associates, Montreal, regarding 
information media relative to the war on poverty under- 
taken in the year 1967-68, for the Privy Council Office, 
as mentioned in answer to Question Number 1,323 of the 
1st Session of this Parliament, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to a Committee of the Whole House of BUI 
C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency powers 
for the preservation of public order in Canada; 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. 
Mcllraith, moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
second time and referred to a Conrmiittee of the Whole 
House. 

And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Committee Mem,bership . 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. McCutcheon for Mr. Fairweather on the Standing 
Committee on Procedure and Organization. 

Mr. Roy (Timmins) for Mr. Lind on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Messrs. Goode, Yanakis, Hopkins and McNulty for 
Messrs. Sullivan, Marceau, Lind and Barrett on the 
Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjoiarned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Badanai, seconded by Mr. Brown, by leave of the 
House, introduced BiU C-183, An Act to amend the Cana- 
dian Citizenship Act, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, — That 
Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, be 
now read a second time and referred to a Committee of 
the Whole House. 

And debate continuing; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this 
House that the Senate had passed the following bills to 
which the concurrence of this House is desired: 



Bill S-4, An Act to implement an agreement amending 
the Trade Agreement between Canada and New Zealand. 
— Mr. Sharp. 

Bill S-7, An Act to repeal the Leprosy Act.— Mr. 
Munro. 

By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' 
Business was suspended. 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, — That 
Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, be 
now read a second time and referred to a Committee of 
the Whole House. 

After further debate thereon, the question being put on 
the said motion, it was agreed to on the following 
division: 



HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 



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Yeas 










Messrs. 






Alexander, 


Dionne, 


Hymmen, 


Mcintosh, 


Simpson, 


Alkenbrack, 


Douglas 


Isabelle, 


McNulty, 


Skoberg, 


Allmand, 


(Assiniboia), 


Jerome, 


Mahoney, 


Smith 


Anderson, 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Major, 


(Northumberland- 


Andras, 


Cowichan-The 


North Centre), 


Marchand 


Miramichi), 


Asselin, 


Islands), 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


(Kamloops- 


Smith 


Badanai, 


Drury, 


Haldimand), 


Cariboo), 


(Saint-Jean), 


Baldwin, 


Duquet, 


Laing (Vancouver 


Mather, 


Southam, 


Barnett, 


Fairweather, 


South), 


Mazankowski, 


Stanfield, 


Barrett, 


Faulkner, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Monteith, 


Stewart 


Basford, 


Flemming, 


Humboldt), 


Moore, 


(Marquette), 


B6chard, 


Forest, 


Langlois, 


Muir, 


Stewart (Okanagan- 


BeU, 


Forget, 


Laniel, 


Noel, 


Kootenay), 


Benson, 


Forrestall, 


Laprise, 


Nowlan, 


Tetrault, 


Blouin, 


Foster, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Otto, 


Thomas 


Borrie, 


Francis, 


LeBlanc (Rimouskl), 


Ouellet, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Boulanger, 


Gendron, 


Lefebvre, 


Paproski, 


Rosemont), 


Brewin, 


Gervais, 


Legault, 


Pelletier, 


Thomas 


Broadbent, 


Gilbert, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Penner, 


(Moncton), 


Brown, 


Givens, 


Lessard 


Pepin, 


Thompson 


Burton, 


Gleave, 


(Lac-Saint- Jean), 


Perrault, 


(Red Deer), 


Caccia, 


Gray, 


Lewis, 


Peters, 


Thomson 


Chappell, 


Grills, 


Macdonald 


Pilon, 


(Battleford- 


Coates, 


Guay (L^vis), 


(Rosedale), 


Portelance, 


Kindersley), 


Code, 


Guilbault, 


MacEachen, 


Ricard, 


Trudeau, 


Comeau, 


Gundlock, 


MacEwan, 


Richard, 


Trudel, 


Corbin, 


Haidasz, 


Maclnnis (Cape 


Richardson, 


Turner 


Grouse, 


Hales, 


Breton-East 


Ritchie, 


(Ottawa-Carleton), 


Cullen, 


Harding, 


Richmond), 


Rochon, 


Wahn, 


Cyr, 


Harkness, 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Rock, 


Walker, 


Danforth, 


Hogarth, 


Mackasey, 


Rondeau, 


Watson, 


Danson, 


Hopkins, 


Macquarrie, 


Rose, 


Weatherhead, 


Davis, 


Howard (Okanagan 


McCleave, 


Saltsman, 


Whicher, 


Deachman, 


Boundary), 


McCutcheon, 


Schumacher, 


Whiting, 


De Bane, 


Howard (Skeena), 


McGrath, 


Sharp, 


WooUiams— 152. 


Dinsdale, 


Howe, 


Mcllraith, 

Nays 
Messrs. 




- 



MacDonald 
(Egmont) — 1. 



Accordingly, the said biU was read the second time and 
ordered for consideration in Committee of the Whole at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Lessard (LaSalle) be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Howard (Okanagan Boundary), Pringle, Marchand 
(Kamloops-Cariboo), Cote (Richelieu), McBride, Lind 
and LeBlanc (Rimouski) on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Whicher, Forest, Smerchanski, Thomas (Mai- 
sonneuve-Rosemont) , Guay (St. Boniface), Yanakis and 



Messrs. Schumacher, Korchinski, Stewart (Marquette) 
and Nowlan for Messrs. Downey, Homer, Mazankowski 
and McKinley on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. Gendron, Lefebvre and Cyr for Messrs. Cullen, 
Deakon and Whiting on the Standing Conunittee on 
Regional Development. 



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Messrs. Hopkins, McNulty and Hymmen for Messrs. At 10.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaiker adjourned the House 
Gibson, Murphy and Robinson on the Standing Committee until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
on Justice and Legal Affairs. Order 2(1), 

Mr. Barnett for Mr. Benjamin on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Transport and Communications. 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Cote, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
upon the Table, — Copies of a report by the Deputy Post- 
master General with respect to the recovery of a certain 
number of mail bags, together with a letter dated No- 
vember 6, 1970, sent to addressees of the mail recovered. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/9. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole 
to consider Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada and progress having been made and reported, 
the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The following bills from the Senate were read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House: 

Bill S-4, An Act to implement an agreement amending 
the Trade Agreement between Canada and New Zealand. 
— Mr. Sharp. 

Bill S-7, An Act to repeal the Leprosy Act. — Mr. 
Munro. 



[At 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. AUmand, seconded by Mr. CuUen, moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should take 
initiatives for United Nations reform to make that insti- 
tution a more effective instrument for the prevention of 



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military aggression, for the settlement of international 
disputes, and to promote co-operation, peace and pros- 
perity and in particular, to: 

1 . provide that the decisions of the Security Council 
be enforcible; 

2 . provide that the unused provisions of the Charter 
be activated; 

3 . provide that the International Court of Justice be 
empowered to interpret the United Nations Charter; 

4. provide for universality of membership; 

5. provide for the establishment of global authori- 
ties related to the United Nations to deal with serious 
global problems such as the environment, population, 
development of sea-bed resources, and economic and 
social stability; 

6. provide for a United Nations stand-by peace 
force. — (Notice of Motion No. 3). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Messrs. Forrestall, Thomas (Moncton), MacEwan and 
Knowles (Norfolk-Haldimand) for Messrs. Fairweather, 
Asselin, Alexander and WooUiams on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Messrs. Smith (Saint-Jean), Clermont and Kaplan for 
Messrs. Boulanger, De Ban6 and 6thier on the Standing 
Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Consolidated Index and Table of Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, 
Part II, for the period January 1, 1955 to September 30, 
1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/345. 



Changes in Committee Mem,bership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Conunittees was amended as follows: 



At 5.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. Mar- 
chand (Langelier), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-184, An Act to amend the Export Development 
Act, which was read the first time and ordered for a sec- 
ond reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing BiU is as foUows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Export 
Development Act to increase the authorized capital of the 
Export Development Corporation to seventy-five million 
dollars and the maximum aggregate amount that the Cor- 
poration may borrow under sections 12 and 13 of the Act 
from seven hundred and fifty million dollars to one bil- 
lion dollars; to fix the maximum potential liability of the 
Corporation under contracts of insurance entered into and 



guarantees issued by it; to provide also that the liability 
of the Corporation under contracts of insurance under 
section 34 and outstanding shall not at any time exceed 
one hundred and fifty million dollars; and to provide 
further for other related and consequential matters. 

Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Munro, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-185, An Act to amend the Crop 
Insurance Act, which was read the first time and ordered 
to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Crop 
Insurance Act to increase the extended coverage offered 
under the Act. 



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Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Mar- 
chand (Langelier), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-186, An Act to authorize the provision of moneys to 
meet certain capital expenditures of the Canadian Na- 
tional Railways System and Air Canada for the period 
from the 1st day of January, 1970, to the 30th day of 
June, 1971, and to authorize the guarantee by Her 
Majesty of certain securities to be issued by the Canadian 
National Railway Company and certain debentures to be 
issued by Air Canada, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to authorize the Cana- 
dian National Railway to make capital expenditures in- 
cluding investment in securities of affiliated companies 
in the calendar year 1970 not exceeding in the aggregate 
$229,000,000. to make capital expenditures in the first six 
months of the calendar year 1971 not exceeding in the 
aggregate $80,000,000 for discharging obligations incurred 
prior to the 1st day of January, 1971, to enter into con- 
tracts prior to the 1st day of July, 1971, for equipment, 
additions, and conversions requiring payments after the 
calendar year 1970 not exceeding $163,000,000, to borrow 
either from Her Majesty or by means of issues of securi- 
ties guaranteed by Her Majesty an amount not exceeding 
$12,000,000 for construction of branch lines; to authorize 
Her Majesty to make loans directly to Air Canada or to 
guarantee issues of securities of Air Canada not exceeding 
$174,000,000 for discharging obligations of the airline that 
become due and payable prior to the 1st day of July, 
1971; to authorize the guarantee by Her Majesty of de- 
bentures not exceeding the Canadian dollar equivalent of 
£13,000,000 to be issued by Air Canada in the period 
1 July, 1971 to 31st December, 1974 in payment for cer- 
tain propulsion systems and components thereof; to au- 
thorize Her Majesty to continue to purchase until 
December 31st, 1971, Canadian National Railway Com- 
pany 4 per cent preferred stock in an annual amount not 
exceeding 3 per cent of the gross revenues of the Com- 
pany; to extend until December 31st, 1971, the mora- 
torium on interest on the loan of $100,000,000 to the 
Company authorized by the Canadian National Railways 
Capital Revision Act of 1952; to authorize Her Majesty to 
make loans to the Canadian National Railway Company 
and Air Canada to meet deficiencies in operating revenues 
to June 30th, 1971, any such loans to be repaid from 
revenues of the Railway Company and Air Canada or, if 
revenues prove insufficient, by subsequent deficit ap- 
propriation by Parliament. 



Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. 
Laing (Vancouver South), by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-187, An Act respecting minerals in the 
Yukon Territory, which was read the first time and 



ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Mackasey, seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa- 
Carleton), by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-188, 
An Act to amend the Merchant Seamen Compensation 
Act and to amend An Act to amend the Merchant Sea- 
men Compensation Act, which was read the first time 
and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Merchant 
Seamen Compensation Act and to amend An Act to 
amend the Merchant Seamen Compensation Act, 

(a) to broaden the circumstances in which protection 
is afliorded under the Merchant Seamen Compensation 
Act to merchant seamen and their dependents; 

(b) to increase the amounts of compensation payable 
under the Act in respect of funeral expenses of 
merchant seamen and in respect of allowances for 
widows and dependent children; 

(c) to provide for periodic adjustment by the Gover- 
nor in Council of compensation payable under the Act 
witliin certain limits set out in the measure; 

(d) to increase the minimum compensation for tem- 
porary total or permanent total disability in certain 
cases; 

(e) to provide for payments out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund to widows and dependent children of 
a supplement effective January 1, 1971, equal to the 
difference between the monthly amounts they received 
prior to that date and the monthly amounts pay- 
able under the Act as at present amended 

and to make consequential amendments for the better 
administration of the Act. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called 
was transferred to Government Orders for consideration 
at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 21(2): 

That the report entitled "Participation by Telecom- 
munications Carriers in Public Data-Processing", laid 
before the House June 15, 1970, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on Transport and Communications. 
— The President of the Privy Council. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4) the following three 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 38 — Mr. Orlikow 

1. How much money was paid to each province under 
the provisions of the Canada Assistance Plan in each 
of the past three years for the period from January 1 to 
September 30? 



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2. How many people in each province were receiving 
assistance under the provisions of the Canada Assistance 
Plan in March of 1968, 1969 and 1970? — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-2/38. 

No. 158 — Mr. Hales 

1. What amount was budgeted for the Adult Training 
Program in Ontario by the federal government for each 
year since the start of the Program? 

2. What courses were covered in these budgets? 

3. Have any courses been discontinued and, if so, for 
what reasons? 

4. What amount is left or overspent of the budget for 
each of the courses in this present year and, if budgets 
have been spent, what plans does the department have 
in mind? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/158. 

No. 160 — Mr. Macquarrie 

1. What department or departments sponsored the 
northern communications conference held at Yellowknife 
NWT in September, 1970? 

2. What other groups or organizations joined in spon- 
soring and/or arranging the conference? 

3. What was the purpose of the conference? 

4. What are the names of the people invited? 

5. On what basis were the invitations extended? 

6. How many of those participating are residents of 
the Northwest Territories or Yukon Territory? — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-2/160. 

Mr. Mahoney, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister 
of Finance, presented, — Returns to the foregoing Orders. 

Bill C-181. An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
was again considered in Committee of the Whole. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private MeTuhers' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(4)] 

(,Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, item numbered 4 was allowed 
to stand and retain its position. 



Mr. McGrath, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That, in 
the opinion of this House, the government should consider 
the advisability of introducing legislation to protect the 
privacy of every person against the improper disclosure of 
credit rating records and to protect the reputation of 
every person against misinformation contained in such 
records. — {Notice of Motion No. 5). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



Mr. Acting Speaker took the Chair. 

Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Woolliams, moved, — That 
the sitting be continued until completion of the Commit- 
tee of the Whole stage of Bill C-181. 

And more than ten members having risen to object to 
the said motion, pursuant to Standing Order 6(5) (b), the 
motion was deemed to have been withdrawn. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40 ( 1 ) ; 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Comjnittees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Gillespie for Mr. Hymmen on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Messrs. Roy (Timmins) , Penner and Harries for Messrs. 
MacGuigan, Douglas (Assiniboia) and Goode on the 
Standing Committee on National Resources and Public 
Works. 

Mr. Gillespie for Mr. Caccia on the Standing Committee 
on Public Accounts. 

Messrs. McBride, Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo), Le- 
Blanc (Rimouski), Lind and Pringle for Messrs. Smer- 
chanski, Thomas (Maisonneuve-Rosemont), Lessard (La- 
Salle), Guay (St. Boniface) and Forest on the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture. 



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Mr. Cullen for Mr. Goode on the Special Committee on 
Environmental Pollution. 

Messrs. Gibson and Sullivan for Messrs. Goode and 
Yanakis on the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 



By Mr. Davis, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
— Report of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation 
for the year ended April 30, 1970, pursuant to section 33 
of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Act, chapter 21, 
Statutes of Canada, 1968-69, together with a financial 
statenient certified by the Auditor General. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/294. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited vidth the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



At 10.24 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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97 



No. 24 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the Mem- 
bers of the Special Committee on Election Expenses be 
Messrs. Breau, Brewin, Chappell, Cullen, Deachman, 
Forest, ForrestaU, Howe, Laflamme, Laprise, McKinley 
and Ouellet. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



BiU C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
was again considered in Committee of the Whole. 

And the House continiiing in Committee; 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' 
Business was suspended. 

2416&— 7 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this 
House that the name of the Honourable Senator Molgat 
had been substituted for that of the Honourable Senator 
McDonald on the list of Senators serving on the Special 
Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Commons on 
the Constitution of Canada. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjburn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 



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After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Covfimittee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Mazankowski, Horner and Downey for Messrs. 
Moore, Stewart (Marquette) and Schumacher on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Saltsman for Mr. Brewin on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Justice and Legal Aflairs. 

Mr. Howard (Skeena) for Mr. Harding on the Special 
Conmiittee on EnvironmentEd Pollution. 

Messrs. Blouin, Stewart (Cochrane), Boulanger, Forget 
and CuUen for Messrs. Cyr, Breau, Smerchanski, Foster 
and Cobbe on the Standing Committee on Regional 
Development. 

Messrs. Comeau and McGrath for Messrs. Ritchie and 
Marshall on the Standing Committee on Regional 
Development. 

Mr. Rock for Mr. Prud'homme on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 



Mr. Robinson for Mr. Hopkins on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. M 

Mr. Boulanger for Mr. Kaplan on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report, dated November 10, 1970, of the Prices and 
Incomes Commission, entitled "Copper Price and Supply 
in Canada" (Chairman — John H. Young, Eisq.) (English 
and B*rench). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/373. 



i 



At 10.27 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until Thurs- 
day, November 12, 1970 at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(3). 



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No. 25 



JOURNALS 



OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed the following Bill 
to which the concurrence of this House is desired: 

Bill S-6, An Act to amend the Anti-dumping Act. — 
Mr. Benson. 



mover, the principal speaker on behalf of the govern- 
ment who shall be limited to thirty minutes and the 
principal speakers of the official opposition and the 
Ralliement des Creditistes who shall be limited to 
twenty minutes. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Olson, sec- 
onded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), it was ordered, — 
That the Public Accounts for the year ended March 31, 
1968 and the Auditor General's Report thereon and the 
evidence adduced in consideration thereof in the previous 
session be referred to the Standing Committee on Public 
Accounts. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That speeches 
on the motion under the order Business of Supply be 
limited to fifteen minutes with the exception of the 
24168— 7J 



The following Notice of Motion having been called 
was transferred to Government Orders for consideration 
at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 21(2): That this House, pursuant to subsection 
(Ic) of section 7 of the Customs Tariff, do approve that 
the Men's and Boys' Shirts Surtax Order, being Order 
in Council P.C. 1970-959 of 2 June 1970 made under 
subsection (la) of section 7 of the said Act, continue 
to have force and effect until 29th day of November, 
1971. — The Minister of Finance. 



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The Order being read for the consideration of the 
Business of Supply; 

Pursuant to Standing Order 58, Mr. Lewis, seconded by 
Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), moved,— Where- 
as there has been a relentless upward climb in the level 
of unemployment in all regions of Canada, and 

Whereas a number of responsible economic authorities 
have predicted record levels of unemployment this 
coming winter, and 

Whereas, unless special measures are immediately 
taken, the likelihood of serious increases in the level of 
unemployment in the Province of Quebec and the City 
of Montreal will add to an already critical situation, 

Therefore, be it resolved that this House calls upon 
the Government to institute, in co-operation with prov- 
inces and municipalities, policies and programs that will 
increase significantly the number of jobs available this 
winter and, as a special measure of assistance to those 
who remain unemployed, to increase both the amount of 
unemployment benefits and the eligibility period pro- 
vided by the Unemployment Insurance Commission. 

After debate thereon, proceedings on the motion ex- 
pired. 

{Proceedings on Adioumment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 

Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Cleave for Mr. Rowland on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Messrs. McNulty, Barrett and Noel for Messrs. Breau, 
CuUen and Deachman on the Special Committee on 
Election Expenses. 

Messrs McNulty, Barrett, Legault, Boulanger and La- 
chance for Messrs. Sulatycky, CuUen, Breau, Gervais 
and Harries on the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 

Messrs. McCutcheon, Howe, Mather, Reid, Pilon and 
Caccia for Messrs. Bigg, Flemming, Winch, Jerome, Cul- 
len and Gillespie on the Standing Committee on Public 
Accounts. 



Mr. Whelan for Mr. Hopkins on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Messrs. Walker and Foster for Messrs. Barrett and 
Ouellet on the Special Committee on Election Expenses. 

Mr. Morison for Mr. Guay (St. Boniface) on the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Messrs. Cullen and Gillespie for Messrs. Pilon and 
Caccia on the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Summary of Orders in Council passed during 
the month of October, 1970. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/360. 

By Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Director of Investigation and Re- 
search, Combines Investigation Act, for the fiscal year 
ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 44 of the said 
Act, chapter 314, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/112. 

By Mr. Cote (Longueuil), a Member of the Queen's 
Privy Council, by command of His Excellency the Gov- 
ernor General, — Report of the Canada Post Office for 
the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to sec- 
tion 77 of the Post Office Act, chapter 212, R.S.C., 1952. 
(Enghsh and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/20. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of Wednesday, 
November 11, 1970, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/343. 

By Mr. Marchand, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report on the Operation of the Regional De- 
velopment Incentives Act for the period October 1 
to October 31, 1970, pursuant to section 16 of the said 
Act, chapter 56, Statutes of Canada 1968-69. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/330. 



At 10.19 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OF THE 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copy of letters dated May 15 to 
Jtme 29, 1970, exchanged between the Minister of In- 
dustry, Trade and Commerce and the Rev. F. G. Bris- 
bin, United Church of Canada with respect to Ryerson 
Press. — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/10. 



The following biU from the Senate was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sit- 
ting of the House: 

BiU S-6, An Act to amend the Anti-dumping Act. — 
Mr. Benson. 



Mr. Anderson, seconded by Mr. Marchand (Kamloops- 
Cariboo), by leave of the House introduced Bill C-189, 
An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Pollution), which 
was read the first time and ordered to be printed and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Bamett, moved, — That the House now proceed to 
the Orders of the Day. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived on the following division. 



Yeas 
Messrs. 



Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 



Bamett, 

Bell, 

Broadbent, 



Carter, 

Comeau, 

Danforth, 



Dionne, 

Forrestall, 

Gilbert, 



Gleave, 

Godin, 

Hales, 



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Harkness, 


Lambert 


MacLean, 


Mather, 


Saltsman, 


Howard (Skeena), 


(Edmonton West), 


MacRae, 


Muir, 


Stanfield, 


Howe, 


Laprise, 


McCleave, 


Nesbitt, 


Tetrault, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Lewis, 


McCutcheon, 


Orlikow, 


Thomson 


North Centre), 


Lundrigan, 


McGrath, 


Paproski, 


(Battleford- 


Korchinski, 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Marshall, 


RicEird, 


Kindersley), 
Woolliams — 42. 



Allmand, 

Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Blouin, 

Boulanger, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

CorbLn, 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Grossman, 

Cullen, 

Danson, 



Davis, 

Dube, 

Faulkner, 

Forget, 

Francis, 

Gendron, 

Gibson, 

Gillespie, 

Gray, 

Greene, 

Haidasz, 

Hellyer, 

Hopkins, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jamieson, 



Nays 
Messrs. 

Jerome, 

Kaplan, 

Lachance, 

Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Laniel, 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Loiselle, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacGuigan, 
Mackasey, 
McBride, 
Mcllraith, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 



Marceau, 

Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Morison, 

Noel, 

O'Connell, 

Orange, 

Ouellet, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Pilon, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Richard, 



Rochon, 

Serre, 

Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 

Stewart (Cochrane), 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
Thomas (Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Wahn, 

Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whiting— 79. 



1 



Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada 
was again considered in Committee of the Whole and 
progress having been made and reported, the Commit- 
tee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



[At 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)1 

(Public Bills) 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: On Friday, October 30, 1970, 
when the order for the consideration of BUI C-7, An 
Act to amend the Canadian Commercial Corporation Act, 
was called, a point of order was raised by the Chair to 
the effect that the Bill contained a money provision. 

Following consultation with the honourable Member 
for Cochrane (Mr. Stewart) and other honourable Mem- 
bers, it was thought desirable that some consideration 
might be given by a Standing Committee to the prin- 
ciple set forth in Bill C-7 and some other 37 Bills stand- 
ing in the honourable Member's name. 

In order to meet that request, it has been suggested 
that, by unanimous consent of the House, the financisd 
provisions might be struck from the several BiUs and 
that the subject-matter of those BiUs be referred to 
the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

If the House is wiUing to accept that proposal, I will 
put the question: 



"Is it agreed that the honourable Member for Coch- 
rane shall have leave of the House to delete the financial 
provisions from the some thirty-eight Bills standing on 
the Order Paper in his name, and by consent, propose that 
the subject-matter of those Bills, as amended, stand re- 
ferred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections?" 

Is there unanimous consent for such proposal? Agreed? 
Agreed. 

In fulfilment of that order of the House, the BiUs 
affected wiU be removed from the Order Paper. 

The Bills to be amended and subject-matter thereof 
to be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections are as follows: 

Bills C-7, C-10, C-11, C-17, C-18, C-29, C-31, C-35, 
C-37, C-43, C-48, C-57, C-58, C-60, C-74, C-78, C-79, 
C-80, C-81, C-84, C-89, C-91, C-92, C-98, C-114, C-116, 
C-119, C-122, C-123, C-126, C-142, C-145, C-147, C-152, 
C-153, C-154, C-160, and C-164. 



Orders numbered two and three were aUowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



By unanimous consent, the order for the second read 
ing and reference to the Standing Committee on Privl 
leges and Elections of Bill C-12, An Act to amend thi 
Canada Elections Act (Qualification of Electors and 
Candidates) was discharged and the said biU withdrawn. 






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Orders numbered seven and eight were allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 

The order being read for the second reading and refer- 
ence to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs of Bill C-15, An Act to better assure the Public's 
Rights to Freedom of Access to Public Documents and 
Information about Government Administration (Admin- 
istrative Disclosure) ; 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Changes in Committee Mem.hership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65 (4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Flemming, Noble and Alkenbrack for Messrs. 
McCutcheon, Howe and Baldwin on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil,— Classification of Loans of the Chartered Banks of 



Canada as at September 30, 1970, pursuant to section 
119(1) of the Bank Act, chapter 87, Statutes of Canada, 
1966-67. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/66. 

By Mr. Dube, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Reports of the Department of Veterans Affairs and of the 
Canadian Pension Commission for the fiscal year ended 
March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 9 of the Depart- 
ment of Veterans Affairs Act, chapter 80, and section 
4(2) of the Pension Act, chapter 207, R.S.C., 1952, in- 
cluding thfe Report of the War Veterans Allowance Board 
for the same period. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/27. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Octo- 
ber 28, 1970, for a copy of the survey undertaken by 
the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Develop- 
ment showing the number of native people employed in 
mining in the Northwest Territories as referred to by 
the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Develop- 
ment in his address in Yellowknife on November 10, 
1969. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 6). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/6. 

By Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report on the Administration of the Canada Assis- 
tance Plan for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1969, 
pursuant to section 20 of the Canada Assistance Plan 
Act, chapter 45, Statutes of Canada 1966-67. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/77. 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Olson for Mr. Drury, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-190, An Act re- 
specting the Auditor General of Canada, which was read 
the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing BiU is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting the Auditor 
General of Canada to provide for the appointment, salary 
and duties of the Auditor General and for the appoint- 
ment of the required officers and employees. 



Mr. Olson for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-191, An Act to 
amend the Farm Improvement Loans Act, the Small 
Businesses Lozins Act and the Fisheries Improvement 
Loans Act, which Wcis read the first time and ordered to 
be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

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The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Fama 
Improvement Loans Act, the Small Businesses Loans Act 
and the Fisheries Improvement Loans Act by providing 
for an additional three year loan period commencing 
on July 1, 1971 and ending on Jime 30, 1974. The aggre- 
gates of the principal amounts of all guarsmteed loans 
that may be made by all lenders during this period being 

(a) in the case of the Farm Improvement Loans Act, 
nine hundred million dollars for banks, and three 
hundred million doUars for all other lenders; 

(b) in the case of the Small Businesses Loans Act, 
two hundred million dollars for banks, and one hundred 
million dollars for aU other lenders; and 

(c) in the case of the Fisheries Improvement Loans 
Act, twenty million dollars for banks, and ten miUIon 
dollars for aU other lenders. 



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Mr. Mcllraith. seconded by Mr. Sharp, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-192, An Act respecting young 
offenders and to repeal the Juvenile Delinquents Act, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Mr. Olson for Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-193, An Act to amend the Northern Canada Power 
Commission Act, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Northern 
Canada Power Commission Act to increase the number 
of members of the Commission from three to five and 
to provide for payment of their travelling and living 
expenses; to increase the amount advanced to the Com- 
mission out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund for the 
purpose of carrying out investigations of projects from 
fifty thousand dollars to two hundred and fifty thousand 
dollars and to relieve the Commission from certain lia- 
bilities in repayments; to provide that the Minister of 
Finance may make advances for capital expenditures on 
such terms and conditions as may be approved by the 
Governor in Council; generally to bring the legislation 
in line with current practice and to provide further for 
other related and consequential matters more specially 
respecting the conduct of the financial affairs of the 
Commission. 



Mr. Howard (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Knowles 
(Winnipeg North Centre), by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-194, An Act to amend the Fisheries Act, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4) the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for returns: 

*No. 97 — Mr. Howard (Skeena) 

1 . Has a committee, comprising federal government 
employees and the pulp and paper industry, been estab- 
lished relating to the water pollution by the said in- 
dustry, and, if so, when was the committee established 
and what are (a) the names of (b) the positions held 
by each member thereof? 

2. Has the committee held any meetings and, if so, 
(a) where (b) on what dates (c) who was in attendance 
at each such meeting? 

3. Has the committee established Jiny priorities, 
planned a program, made any review of progress, given 



any advice or made any recommendations on the allo- 
cation of funds and, if so, what are the details of each 
such decision? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/97. 

No. 190 — Mr. Harding 

1. What was the total federal financial contribution 
for exploration projects under the Northern Mineral 
Exploration Assistance Program for the years 1964 to 
1969 inclusive? 

2 . How many companies or individuals received grants 
under this Program? 

3. What was (a) the name of each company or in- 
dividual receiving a grant (b) the amount of the grant 
received (c) the type of mining operation in each case 
(d) the total cost of each project (e) the percentage 
of the cost contributed by the federal government in 
each project? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/190. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President _ 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- ■ 
going Orders. ■ 



Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
was again considered in Committee of the Whole. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(4)} 

(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, items numbered four, six, seven, 
eight and nine were allowed to stand and retJiin their 
position. 



Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West), seconded by Mr. Mc- 
Cleave, moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the 
Government of Canada should initiate at an early date a 
plenary conference with the goverrmients of the provinces 
for the purposes of examining in detail all requirements 
leading to the effective operation of a national securities 
commission under the joint jurisdiction of both levels 
of government. — (Notice of Motion No. 10). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



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Mr. Acting Speaker took the Chair. 



Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Davis, moved, — That the 
sitting be extended until Clause 8 of Bill C-181 has been 
disposed of by the Committee of the Whole or 11 o'clock 
p.m., whichever is earlier. 

And no Member having risen to object, pursuant to 
Standing Order 6(5) (b), the motion was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Benjamin and Mrs. Maclnnis for Messrs. Salts- 
man and Gilbert on the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs. 

Mr. Goode for Mr. Boulanger on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Mr. Peters for Mr. Saltsman on the Standing Com- 
mittee on National Resources and Public Works. 



Messrs. Cyr, Guay (St. Boniface), Ritchie, Moore and 
Schumacher for Messrs. Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo), 
McBride, Mazankowski, Alkenbrack and Nowlan on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Copies of Order in Council P.C. 1970-1933, dated 
November 4, 1970, amending Parts I and II of the 
Schedule of the Hazardous Products Act, pursuant to 
section 8(2) of the said Act, chapter 42, Statutes of 
Canada, 1968-69. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/160. 

By Mr Basford, — Copies of Order in Council P.C. 
1970-1935, dated November 4, 1970, amending Parts I 
and II of the Schedule of the Hazardous Products Act, 
pursuant to section 8(2) of the said Act, chapter 42, 
Statutes of Canada, 1968-69. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1 /160A. 



At 10.32 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Lang (Saskatoon-Humboldt), a Member of the 
Queen's Privy Council laid upon the Table, — Report on 
non-immigrant applicants for citizenship in Canada. 
(Joseph Sedgwick, Esq., Q.C. — Chairman). (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-4/31. 



Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
delivered a Message from the Honourable the Deputy to 
His Excellency the Governor General, which was read 
by Mr. Speaker, as follows: 

The Governor General transmits to the House of 
Commons Supplementary Estimates (A) of sums re- 
quired for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 3Ist March, 1971, and, in accordance with the 
provisions of "The British North America Act, 1867" 
the Governor General recommends these Estimates to 
the House of Commons. 

GERALD FAUTEUX 
Deputy Governor General 

Government House, Ottawa. 



The said Supplementary Estimates (A), 1970-71, re- 
corded as Sessional Paper No. 283-1/132. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 59, on motion of Mr. Drury, 
seconded by Mr. Olson, it was ordered, — That the 
Supplementary Estimates (A) 1970-71, Tabled this day 
be referred to the Standing Committtee on Miscellane- 
ous Estimates. 



Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
was again considered in Committee of the Whole. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' 
Business was suspended. 



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November 17, 1970 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



Mr. Acting Speaker took the Chair. 



Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), 
moved, — That the sitting be extended until completion 
of the Committee of the Whole stage of Bill C-181 or 
11 o'clock p.m., whichever is earlier. 

And more than 10 Members having risen to object, 
pursuant to Standing Order 6(5) (b), the motion was 
deemed to have been withdrawn. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



{Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Forget for Mr. Whicher on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Agriculture. 



Messrs. Corbin, Goode, Rock and Duquet for Messrs. 
Gibson, Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo), Lachancc and 
CuUen on the Special Committee on Environmental Pol- 
lution. 

Messrs. Boulanger, Noel, Legault and Laflamme for 
Messrs. Serre, Breau, Penner and Morison on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Mr. Harding for Mr. Howard (Skeena) on the Special 
Committee on Environmental Pollution. 

Messrs. Breau, Robinson and Penner for Messrs. Noel, 
Laflamme and Legault on the Standing Committee on 
Miscellaneous Estimates. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of Canadian Patents and Development Lim- 
ited, including its Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General for the fiscal year ended 
March 31, 1970, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of 
the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116 R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/ 
104. 

By Mr. Olson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 7, 
1970, for a copy of the consultant study by Lalonde 
Valois undertaken for the Department of Regional 
Economic Expansion regarding the transportation study 
of the Gaspe region as mentioned in answer to Question 
Number 897 and reported in Hansard of March 18, 1970, 
at page 5163. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 480). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/480. 



At 10.25 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until 
tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Anderson, seconded by Mr. Goode, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-195, An Act to amend the Ter- 
ritorial Sea and Fishing Zones Act, which was read the 
first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4) the foUowing two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for returns: 

No. 96 — Mr. Orlikow 

Since January 1, 1969, what individuals in professional, 
administrative and financial occupations have left the 
Department of Manpower and Immigration and in each 
case, what were their respective positions and respon- 
sibilities?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/96. 

No. 135 — Mr. McCleave 

1. How many long-distance jets, flying from Europe 
to Western United States airports, have made technical 
stops at Canadian airports to take on fuel and food and 
change flight crews, for each month since January, 1968, 
and by airport? 



2. What are the landing charges both for technical 
landings and ordinary landings at each of the Canadian 
airports listed in Part 1? 

3. Have there been changes in the charges involving 
such technical landings since January, 1968 and, if so, 
where and by what amounts? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/135. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 
1, 3, 4, 7-9 inclusive, 11-15 inclusive, 17-20 inclusive, 
23, 25, 26, 29, 31, 36-41 inclusive, 43, 44, 46, 47, 50, 
53-56 inclusive, 58, 61-73 inclusive, 75, 76, 81, 83-92 
inclusive, 94-97 inclusive, 99, 101-113 inclusive, 133-136 
inclusive, 138-141 inclusive, 143, 145, 147-155 inclusive 
were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



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Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 30, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study by the Association of Universities and Colleges of 
Canada, Ottawa, undertaken for the Department of Man- 
power and Immigration regarding "Development of 
guidelines by which Canadian equivalence can be 
established for degrees and diplomas in foreign coun- 
tries", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the Minister of National Defence (Mr. Macdonald), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



transferred by the Clerk to the. Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 

Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 57, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
report undertaken in the Department of Agriculture on 
the United States Internal Food-Aid Program and its 
application to Canada, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Vancouver Kingsway (Mrs. Maclnnis), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 49, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
Report by the Interdepartmental Committee on Pesti- 
cides, dated February 5, 1970, mentioned by the Minis- 
ter of Agriculture in Hansard of AprU. 21, 1970, at page 
6105, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the Minister of National Defence (Mr. Macdonald), 



Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved,— That an Order of the House do 
issue for copies of all correspondence between the Minis- 
ter of Consumer and Corporate Affairs and members of 
the Consumer Council of Canada regarding the functions 
of the Council, as mentioned by the Minister and reported 
in Hansard of December 3, 1969. — (JVotice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 59). 

And the question being put on the said motion it was 
negatived on the following division: 



Aiken, 

Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Beaudoin, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Burton, 

Cadieu, 

Carter, 

Coates, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dionne, 



Douglas (NanEumo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Downey, 

Fairweather, 

Flemming, 

Fortin, 

Gauthier, 

Gilbert, 

Godin, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Harding, 

Harkness, 

Hees, 

Horner, 

Howard (Skeena), 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Korchinski, 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Laprise, 
La Salle, 
Lundrigan, 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis (Cape 

Breton-East 

Richmond), 
Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
MacRae, 
McCleave, 



McCutcheon, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

Mather, 

Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir, 

Nielsen, 

Noble, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 



Rodrigue, 

Rose, 

Rynard, 

Saltsman, 

Schumacher, 

Scott, 

Simpson, 

Skoberg, 

Southam, 

Stanfield, 

Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
WooUiams, 
Yewchuk — 76. 



Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 



Benson, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Breau, 

Brown, 

Buchanan, 

Caccia, 



Nays 

Messrs. 

Cafik, 

Cobbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

C6t6 (Longueuil), 

Grossman, 

Cyr, 



Danson, 
Deachman, 
De Bane, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Duquet, 



Emard, 

Faulkner, 

Forest, 

Forget, 

Foster, 

Francis, 

Gendron, 



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Gervais, 

Givens, 

Goode, 

Gray, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 

Guay (L6vis), 

Guilbault, 

Haidasz, 

Hellyer, 

Hopkins, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Jerome, 
Laflcimine, 



Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 



Macdonald 
(Rosedale), 

Mackasey, 

Mcllraith, 

McNulty, 

Major, 

Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Mongrain, 

Munro, 

Murphy, 

Noel, 

Osier, 

Otto, 

Pelletler, 

Pepin, 



82, 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
consultant report by Operations Research industries, a 
study and recommendations on the design of a manage- 
ment-information system supporting the departmental 
planning, programming and budgeting system, under- 
taken for the Department of Manpower and Immigration 
in the fiscal year 1967-68, as mentioned in answer to 
Question Number 1,323 of the 1st Session of this Par- 
liament, 

having been called was, at the request of the honour- 
able Member for Moose Jaw (Mr. Skoberg), transferred 
by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of Motions 
(Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Reid, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Rock, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Serr6, 

Sharp, 

Smerchanski, 

Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stewart (Cochrane), 



Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whiting— 100. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all nbn-classified documents in possession of the 
National Research Council and/or the Department of 
Energy, Mines and Resources, whether or not originated 
by these Departments, dealing with the pollutant emis- 
sions of leaded and non-leaded gasolines. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 146 — Mr. Hales). 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That speeches 
on the motion under the order Business of Supply be 
limited to fifteen minutes with the exception of the 
mover, the principal speaker on behalf of the govern- 
ment who shall be limited to thirty minutes and the 
principal speakers of the other opposition parties who 
shall be limited to twenty minutes. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all correspondence dating from June 25, 1968, between 
the Prime Minister, the Minister of National Defence, the 
Minister of Regional Economic Expansion and all per- 
sons, including Members of Parliament, writing with 
respect to the possible closure of the Canadian Forces 
Base, Portage la Prairie. — {Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 93 — Mr. Rowland). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of two reports undertaken in the Department of National 
Health and Welfare entitled "Sulphate and Sulphuric 
Acid Levels in Windsor Air" and "The Calcium to Sul- 
phate Ratio in Windsor Air". — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 142 — Mr. Harding). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all mail contracts awarded in the federal constituency 
of Lotbiniere with an indication of (a) the tenderers (b) 
the expiry date (c) the amount of each. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 144 — Mr. 
FoTtin) . 



The Order being read for the consideration of Business 
of Supply: 

Pursuant to Standing Order 58, Mr. Stanfield, seconded 
by Mr. Baldwin, moved, — That this House condemns the 
government for increasing the economic inequalities 
between different regions of Canada by its opposition 
to full employment policy and its refusal to use short- 
term and long-term programs in a timely and effective 
manner to prevent the resulting recession-level poverty 
and social injustice now widespread in Canada. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), second- 
ed by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), moved, — 
That the motion be amended by changing the period 
at the end thereof to a comma, and by adding im- 
mediately thereafter the following words: 

"and this House condenms the Government for aggra- 
vating these conditions by its policy of opting out of 
its responsibility to be involved in the maintenance 
of national standards in health, welfare and education". 

And debate arising thereon; 



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Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Mazankowski for Mr. Danforth on the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West) for Mr, McQuaid on 
the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Messrs. Gilbert, Saltsman, Murphy and Stafford for 
Mrs. Maclnnis and Messrs. Benjamin, Gillespie and 
Chappell on the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 



Mr. Stewart (Marquette) for Mr. Schumacher on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Whicher for Mr. Cyr on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 

Mr. Goode for Mr. MacGuigan on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West) for Mr. Peddle on ■ 
the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. « 



A^ 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed the following 
biU to which the concurrence of this House is desired: 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting weights and measures. — 
Mr. Basford. 



"but may be removed for cause at any time by the 
Governor in Council upon address of the Senate and 
House of Commons." 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issues Nos. 1, 2 and 3) is tabled. 



Mr. Tolmie, from the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs, presented the First Report of the 
said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Novem- 
ber 2, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-174, 
An Act to establish the Tax Review Board and to make 
certain amendments to other Acts in relation thereto, 
and has agreed to report it with the following amend- 
ment: 

Clavise 3 

Delete all the words after "behaviour" in line 5 of 
clause 3, sub-clause 2 and substitute the following 
therefor: 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 1 to 
the Journals) . 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That when 
the House adjourns this day, it shall stand adjourned 
until 2.00 o'clock p.m., Monday, November 23, 1970. 



Mr. Fortin, seconded by Mr. Godin, by leave of the 
House introduced Bill C-196, An Act to amend the Can- 
ada Corporations Act (Not Agents of Her Majesty), 



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which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Stanfleld, seconded by Mr. Baldwin,— That this House 
condemns the government for increasing the economic 
inequalities between different regions of Canada by its 
opposition to fuU employment policy and its refusal to 
use short-term and long-term programs in a timely and 
effective manner to prevent the resulting recession-level 
poverty and social injustice now widespread in Canada. 

And on the motion of Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowi- 
chan-The Islands), seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 



North Centre), in amendment thereto, — That tlie motion 
be amended by changing the period at the end thereof 
to a comma, and by adding immediately thereafter the 
following Words: 

"and this House condemns the Government for aggra- 
vating these conditions by its policy of opting out of 
its responsibility to be involved in the maintenance of 
national standards in health, welfare and education". 

After further debate; at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker 
interrupted the debate pursuant to Standing Order 58(9); 

And the question being put on the proposed amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 



Aiken, 

Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Biorton, 

Cadieu, 

Carter, 

Coates, 

Crouse, 

Dionne, 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 



Allmand, 

Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

B^chard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Breau, 

Brown, 

Buchanan, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Cantin, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 



Forrestall, 

Fortin, 

Gauthier, 

Gilbert, 

Godin, 

Harding, 

Harkness, 

Hees, 

Horner, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Korchinski, 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Laprise, 



Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Cote (LongueuiD, 

Grossman, 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Deachman, 

Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dube, 
Duquet, 
Faulkner, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gibson, 
GiUespie, 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

La Salle, 

Lewis, 

MacDonald 
(Egmont), 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

Maclnnis (Mrs.), 

MacLean, 

Macquarrie, 

McCleave, 

McCutcheon, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 



Nays 

Messrs. 

Givens, 

Goode, 

Goyer, 

Gray, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 

Guay (L^vis), 

Haidasz, 

Hellyer, 

Hopkins, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jamieson, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Kierans, 
Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 



McKinley, 

McQuaid, 

Mather, 

Moore, 

Muir, 

Nielsen, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Rondeau, 

Rose, 



Laniel, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 

Lefebvre, 

Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 

Lessard 

(Lac-Saint- Jean), 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacGuigan, 
Mackasey, 
McBride, 
Mcllraith, 
McNulty, 
Major, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Mongrain, 
Morison, 
Munro, 



Saltsman, 

Scott, 

Simpson, 

Skoberg, 

Southam, 

Stanfleld, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Yewchuk — 64. 



Murphy, 

Noel, . 

(D'Connell, 

Olson, 

Osier, 

Otto, 

Ouellet, 

Pelletier, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Reid, 

Richardson, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Serr6, 

Smerchanski, 



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Smith 

(Saint- Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
Stewart (Cochrane), 



St. Pierre, 

Sullivan, 

ThomEis 

(Maisonneuve- 
Rosemont) , 



Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 
(London East), 



Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 



Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
Yanakis— 122. 



And the question being put on the main motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 



Yeas 
Messrs. 



Aiken, 


ForrestaU, 




La Salle, 


McKinley, 


Saltsman, 


Alexander, 


Fortin, 




Lewis, 


McQuaid, 


Scott, 


Alkenbrack, 


Gauthier, 




MacDonald 


Mather, 


Simpson, 


Baldwin, 


Gilbert, 




(Egmont), 


Moore, 


Skoberg, 


Barnett, 


Godin, 




MacEwan, 


Muir, 


Southam, 


Bell, 


Harding, 




Maclnnis (Cape 


Nielsen, 


Stanfleld, 


Benjamin, 


Harkness, 




Breton-East 


Orlikow, 


Stewart 


Burton, 


Hees, 




Richmond), 


Paproski, 


(Marquette), 


Cadieu, 


Horner, 




Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Peddle, 


Thomas 


Carter, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


MacLean, 


Peters, 


(Moncton), 


Coates, 


North Centre), 


Macquarrie, 


Ricard, 


Thomson 


Grouse, 


Korchinski, 




McCleave, 


Ritchie, 


(Battleford- 


Dionne, 


Lambert 




McCutcheon, 


Rodrigue, 


Kindersley), 


Douglas (Nanalmo- 


(Edmonton 


West), 


McGrath, 


Rondeau, 


Yewchuk— 64. 


Cowichan-The 


Laprise, 




Mcintosh, 


Rose, 




Islands), 













AUmand, 

Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Bjisford, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Breau, 

Brown, 

Buchanan, 

Caccia, 

Caflk, 

Cantin, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

(3obbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

C6t6 (LongueuiD, 

Grossman, 

Cullen, 



Cyr, 
Danson, 
Deachman, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dube, 
Duquet, 
Faxilkner, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Givens, 
Goode, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guay (L6vis), 
Haidasz, 
HeUyer, 
Hopkins, 



Nays 
Messrs. 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boimdary), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jamieson, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Kierans, 
Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint- Jean), 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacGuigan, 
Mackasey, 
McBride, 
Mcllraith, 



McNulty, 
Major, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Mongrain, 
Morison, 
Munro, 
Murphy, 
Noel, 

O'Connell, 
Olson, 
Osier, 
Otto, 
Ouellet, 
Pelletier, 
Pepin, 
Perrault, 
Portelance, 
Pringle, 
Reid, 

Richardson, 
Robinson, 
Rochon, 
Rock, 

Roy (Timmins), 
Roy (Laval), 



Serr6, 

Smerchanski, 

Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 

Stewart (Cochrane), 
St. Pierre, 
Sullivan, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont) , 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Tvurner, 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton). 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
Yanakis — 122. 



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Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees ufas amended as follows: 

Mr. Cadieu for Mr. Downey on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Morison for Mr. Sullivan on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Messrs. McCleave, Gillespie, Serre and Penner for 
Messrs. Howe, Boulanger, Penner and Legault on the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Messrs. Stewart (Cochrane) and Guay (St. Boniface) 
for Messrs. Lachance and Legault on the Standing Com- 
mittee on National Resources and Public Works. 

Mr. Stewart (Cochrane) for Mr. Breau on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Trudel for Mr. McBride on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 



Mr. McQuaid for Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West) on the 
Standing Committeee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk oj the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant to 
Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Mackasey, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of the Industrial Pensions and Annui- 
ties Branch for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, 
pursuant to section 16 of the said Act, chapter 132, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/57. 



At 10.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday, November 23, 1970 at 2.00 o'clock p.m. 
pursuant to Special Order. 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Ouellet, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary 
of State for External Affairs, laid upon the Table, — News 
Release, dated November 20, 1970, by the Canadian In- 
ternational Development Agency with reference to emer- 
gency relief to East Pakistan. (English and French). — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-6/97. 



Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Orlikow, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-197, An Act to amend the 
Motor Vehicle Safety Act (bumpers), which was read 
the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House: 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting weights and measures. — 
Mr. Basford. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4) the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for returns: 

No. 18 — Mr. Diefenbaker 

1 . How many bushels of wheat have been supplied 
under the Canadian Assistance Plan during the past six 
months, and to what countries and for what amounts 
respectively has such assistance been given? 

2. How much wheat is it planned to give by way of 
assistance during the next year, and to what countries 
and in what respective amounts? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/18. 

No. 44 — Mr. Coates 

1. What is the present staff of the office of the Prime 
Minister? 

2. What are the names of the people comprising the 
staff? 

3. What are their positions and what is the salary of 
each?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/44. 



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Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



After debate the said questioa was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada, 
was again considered in Committee of the Whole. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mr. McGrath, moved, — 
That, in the opinion of this House, the government should 
consider the advisability of providing loans and grants to 
encourage the building and improvement of fishing facil- 
ities along the Atlantic coastUnes for the better collec- 
tion and storage of adl marketable species of fish. — 
(Notice of Motion No. 4) . 

And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Rowland and Alexander for Messrs. Gleave 
and MacEwan on the Special Joint Committee on the 
Constitution of Canada. 

Messrs. SuUivan, Benjamin and Mrs. Maclnnis for 
Messrs. Goode, Saltsman and Gilbert on the Standing 
Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Mr. Breau for Mr. McNulty on the Special Committee 
on Election Expenses. 

Messrs. Sullivan and Deakon for Messrs. Stafford and 
Morison on the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 

Messrs. Deakon and Sulatycky for Messrs. Roy (Tim- 
mins) and McNulty on the Standing Committee on Na- 
tional Resources and PHiblic Works. 

Mr. Boulanger for Mr. Serre on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole on Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emer- 
gency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada, which was reported with amendments and con- 
curred in at the report stage. 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), moved, — That the said biU be now 
read a third time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon; 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant to 
Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copy of a Contract between the Government 
of Canada and the Municipality of Swift Current, Sas- 
katchewan, pursuant to subsection 3 of section 20 of 
the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, chapter 54, 
Statutes of Canada, 1959. — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/274. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
sviant to Standing Order 40 ( 1 ) ; 



At 10.21 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned imtil to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.ni. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Cote (Longueuil) , a Member of the Queen's Privy- 
Council, laid upon the Table, — Report on the Establish- 
ment of door-to-door Postal Delivery in certedn Cities, 
dated November 19, 1970. (English and French). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-7/9A. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Turner (Ottawa-Carleton) , seconded by Mr. Laing (Van- 
couver South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide 
temporary emergency powers for the preservation of 
public order in Canada, be now read a third time and do 
pass. 

And debate continuing; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: As we adjourned last evening, the hon- 
ourable Member for Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands 
(Mr. Douglas) had just proposed an amendment to the 
motion that Bill C-181 be read a third time, proposing 
that the bill be referred back to the Committee of the 



Whole for the purpose of reconsidering clause 12 with 
a view to the inclusion therein of a provision for the 
establishment of an independent body to review the 
administration under the said bill. 

I indicated that I had some reservations about the 
irregularity of this amendment. I should immediately 
put the honourable Member's mind at ease and assure 
him that although I still have serious reservations about 
the procedural aspect of the proposed amendment I 
wUl put it to the House so that honourable Members 
may have an opportiinity to debate it and in due 
course, vote on it. Similar amendments were debated 
at length in Committee of the Whole House in relation 
to clause 12 and to clause 14 of the biU; I would think 
it is the wish of the House that similar latitude be al- 
lowed at this stage of proceedings. A bUl such as this 
one which deals with individual rights and fundamental 
freedoms should be discussed as freely as possible and 
should be given the benefit of the liberal interpretation 
of the rules and precedents. 



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As honourable Members know, debate on third reading 
should be confined to the contents of the bill. This 
principle is enounced in May's 17th edition at page 572. 
May states further that reasoned amendments which raise 
matters not included in the provisions of the bill are not 
permissible. Citation 418 of Beauchesne's 4th edition 
reads as follows: "All amendments which may be moved 
on a second reading of a bill may be moved on the 
third reading with the restriction that they cannot deal 
with any matter which is not contained in the bill." 

At the third reading stage a motion is always in order 
to refer the bill back to a committee for the purpose of 
reconsidering any clause thereof. It is doubtful however, 
that it is procedurally correct to refer a bill back to a 
committee with instructions to include a provision which 
is not included in the clause which it is proposed to 
amend and which in fact goes beyond the purview of the 
clause. If in fact the proposed addition goes beyond the 
scope of the clause it seeks to amend, it becomes a 
substantive motion and cannot be moved by way of 
amendment. 

These are general principles which apply on third 
reading. I respectfully suggest to honourable Members 
that these principles should not be deemed to have been 
adtered or amended in any way by the Chair's action in 
putting to the House the motion proposed by the hon- 
ourable Member for Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), sec- 
onded by Mr. Barnett, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That Bill C-181 be not now read a third time but that 
it be referred back to the Committee of the Whole House 
for the purpose of reconsidering clause 12 with a view 
to the inclusion therein of a provision for the establish- 



ment of an independent body to review the administra- 
tion under the said bill. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Btisiness was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs of Bill C-8, An Act respecting Sir John 
A. Macdonald Day. 

Mr. Macquarrie, seconded by Mr. McCleave, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time and re- 
ferred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And on the motion of Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowi- 
chan-The Islands), seconded by Mr. Barnett in amend- 
ment thereto, — That Bill C-181 be not now read a third 
time but that it be referred back to the Committee of 
the Whole House for the purpose of reconsidering clause 
12 with a view to the inclusion therein of a provision for 
the establishment of an independent body to review the 
administration under the said bill. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said amendment, it was negatived on the following divi- 
sion. 







Yeas 










Messrs. 






Aiken, 


Dinsdale, 


Harding, 


MacDonald 


Matte, 


Alexsmder, 


Dionne, 


Harkness, 


(Egmont), 


Mazankowski, 


Alkenbrack, 


Douglas (Nanalmo- 


Howe, 


MacEwan, 


Monteith, 


Asselin, 


Cowichan-The 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Maclnnis (Cape 


Moore, 


Barnett, 


Islands), 


North Centre), 


Breton-East 


Nesbitt, 


Beaudoin, 


Downey, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Richmond), 


Nowlan, 


BeU, 


Flemming, 


Haldimand), 


Maclrmis (Mrs.), 


Nystrom, 


Benjamin, 


Fortin, 


Lambert 


MacLean, 


Orlikow, 


Broadbent, 


Gauthier, 


(Bellechasse), 


MacRae, 


Paproski, 


Burton, 


Gilbert, 


Tiambert 


McCleave, 


Peddle, 


Cadieu, 


Gleave, 


(Edmonton West), 


McCutcheon, 


Peters, 


Comeau, 


Godin, 


La SaUe, 


McKinley, 


Ricard, 


Grouse, 


Grills, 


Latulippe, 


McQuaid, 


Ritchie, 


Danforth, 


Gundlock, 


Lewis, 


Mather, 


Rodrigue, 



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Rondeau, 


Saltsman, 


Skoberg, 


Stewart 


Thomas 


Rose, 


Schumacher, 


Skoreyko, 


(Marquette), 


(Moncton), 


Ryan, 


Scott, 


Southam, 


T6trault, 


Thompson 


Rynard, 


Simpson, 


Stanfleld, 

Nays 
Messrs. 




(Red Deer), 
Valade— 78. 


Allmand, 


Davis, 


Hogarth, 


Marchand 


Roy (Timmins), 


Anderson, 


Deachman, 


Howard (Okanagan 


(Langelier), 


Roy (Laval), 


Badanai, 


Deakon, 


Boundary), 


Marchand 


Smith 


Barrett, 


De Ban6, 


Hymmen, 


(Kamloops- 


(Saint-Jean), 


Basford, 


Douglas 


Lachance, 


Cariboo), 


Stafford, 


Benson, 


(Assiniboia), 


Laing (Vancouver 


Mongrain, 


Stanbiu-y, 


Blouin, 


Drury, 


South), 


Morison, 


Stewart (Okanagan- 


Borrie, 


Duquet, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Munro, 


Kootenay), 


Boulsinger, 


fimard. 


Humboldt), 


Noel, 


Sullivan, 


Breau, 


fithier. 


Langlois, 


Olson, 


Thomas 


Brown, 


Faulkner, 


Laniel, 


Osier, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Caflk, 


Forest, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Otto, 


Rosemont) , 


Cantin, 


Forget, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Ouellet, 


Tohnie, 


Chappell, 


Foster, 


Lefebvre, 


Pelletier, 


Trudeau, 


Chretien, 


Francis, 


Legault, 


Penner, 


Trudel, 


Clermont, 


Gendron, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Pepin, 


Turner 


Cobbe, 


Gervais, 


Lessard 


Perrault, 


(London East), 


Comtois, 


Gibson, 


(Lac-Saint- Jean) , 


Portelance, 


Turner 


Corbin, 


Gillespie, 


Lind, 


Pringle, 


(Ottawa-Carleton), 


Cote (Richelieu), 


Goode, 


LoiseUe, 


Prud'honune, 


Walker, 


Cot^ (Longueuil), 


Gray, 


Macdonald 


Raid, 


Watson, 


Grossman, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


(Rosedale), 


Richard, 


Weatherhead, 


CuUen, 


Guay (L4vis), 


Mcllraith, 


Richardson, 


Whelan, 


Cyr, 


Guilbault, 


Mahoney, 


Robinson, 


Whicher, 


Danson, 


Haidasz, 


Major, 


Rochon, 


Whiting, 






Marceau, 


Rock, 


Yanakis— 113. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved in amend- 
ment thereto, — That BiU C-181 be not now read a third 
time but that it be referred back to the Committee of the 
Whole House for the purpose of reconsidering the retro- 
active aspects of Clause 8 thereof. 

And debate arising thereon; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice halving been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Fairweather, Woolliams and Asselin for Messrs. 
Forrestall, Knowles (Norfolk-Haldimand) and Thomas 
(Moncton) on the Special Joint Committee on the Con- 
stitution of Canada. 

Mr. Marceau for Mr. Stafford on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Mr. Stafford for Mr. Bechard on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Mr. Blouin for Mr. Sulatycky on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Indian Affairs and Noithem Development. 

Mr. Yanakis for Mr. McNulty on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



At 10.25 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until 
tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Tolmie, from the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs, presented the Second Report of the 
said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Novem- 
ber 2, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-177, 
An Act respecting cooperative associations, and has 
agreed to report it with the following amendments: 

Clause 3 

Add the words 'or delegate' after the word 'member', 
on page 2, in line 18, sub-clause 1, pziragraph (d), sub- 
paragraph (ii). 

Clause 5 

Strike out lines 33 to 35, both inclusive, in subclause 
(3), on page 6, and substitute the following therefor: 
"(b) it will have a fixed place of business in more 
than one province." 



Clause 9 

Strike out lines 20 to 23, both inclusive, in subclause 
(1), paragraph (/), on page 10, and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

"(/) fails to establish and to maintain a fixed place 
of business in more than one province," 

Clause 49 

Strike out lines 29 to 35, both inclusive, in sub- 
clauses (3) and (4), on page 42, and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

'sonal representative all amounts held to his credit 
together with any interest accrued thereon and the 
amount outstanding on loans made to the association 
by the member that are repayable on demand by 
the member together with any interest accrued 
thereon. 



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(4) Where, in the opinion of the directors of an 
association, payments in accordance With subsection 
(3) to withdrawing members would im-' 

ClaiLse 51 

(a) Strike out lines 31 to 41, both inclusive, in sub- 
clause (1), paragraph (a), on page 43, and substitute 
the following therefor: 

"(a) the association shall purchase from the mem- 
ber at their par value all shares in the capital stock 
of the association held by the member and shall 
pay to him all amounts held to his credit together 
with any interest accrued thereon and the amount 
outstanding on loans made to the association by 
the member that are repayable on demand by the 
member together with any interest accrued thereon," 

(b) Strike out line 37, in subclause (2), on page 44, 
and substitute the following therefor: 

'(1), amounts payable thereunder to him shaU be' 

Clause 60 

Strike out line 18, in sub-clause (4), on page 51, and 
substitute the following therefor: 

'ance with subsection (3) of that section or' 

Clause 101 

Strike out line 31, on page 78, and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

'reason to believe that an association has ceased to 
carry on its undertaking on a cooperative basis or 
that such action is in the* 

The Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-177, 
as amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issue No. 4) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 2 to 
the Journals). 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of a Communique dated 
November 24, 1970, issued following the Thirteenth 
Meeting of the Joint Canada-United States Committee 
on Trade and Economic Affairs. (English and French) . — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-6/133. 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-198, An Act to amend the Motor Vehicle Safety Act 
(seat belts), which was read the first time and ordered 
to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following 
Question was made an Order of the House for a Return: 



No. 392 — Mr. Robinson 

How many (a) doctors (b) dentists (c) accountants 
(d) chemists (e) engineers (/) architects (g) uni- 
versity professors and/or lecturers (h) other profes- 
sionals immigrated to Canada from the United States 
each year 1950 to 1970 incliasive? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/392. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secreteiry to the President 
of the Privy Coiancil, presented, — Return to the fore- 
going Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 
1, 3, 4, 7-9 inclusive, 11-15 inclusive, 17-20 inclusive, 
23, 29, 31, 36-41 inclusive, 43, 44, 46, 50, 54-56 inclusive, 
62-68 inclusive, 70-73 inclusive, 75, 76, 81, 83-91 inclu- 
sive, 94, 95, 99, 101-104 inclusive, 106, 109-111 inclusive, 
113, 133-136 inclusive, 138-141 inclusive, 143, 145, 147- 
154 inclusive, 156 and 157 were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all correspondence, etc., between Bell Canada and the 
Department of Conununications regarding cable televi- 
sion installation charges by BeU Canada. — {Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 25 — Mr. 
Orlikow). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 26, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
report by the task force in the Department of Manpower 
and Immigration which recommended a 52-week limit 
for all federal government manpower retraining pro- 
grams, 

having been called was, at the request of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council 
(Mr. Jerome), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of aU representations, briefs, submissions etc., received 
by the Department of Communications regarding its 
Telecommission studies. — {Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 47 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all correspondence between the Prime Minister of 
Canada and representatives of twenty-one Eskimo com- 
munities in the Northwest Territories and out of Quebec 
regarding Aboriginal Rights in the Canadian Arctic and 
Oil Exploration in the North. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 53 — Mr. Howard {Skeena)). 



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Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 58, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
Interim Report made in March, 1968, by Dr. A. Vennema, 
Director of Canadian Medical Aid in Vietnsim in 1967-68 
and for copies of any subsequent correspondence between 
him and the Department of External Affairs, 

having been called was, at the request of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council 
(Mr. Jerome), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 69, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
correspondence with and reports to the Prime Minister, 
Secretary of State for External Affairs and the Canadian 
International Development Agency from Mrs. Clair Cul- 
hane and Dr. Alje Venemma with respect to their ob- 
servations concerning Canada's involvement in foreign 
aid to Vietnam, possible misvise of Canadian aid and 
reported atrocities, 

having been called was, at the request of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council 
(Mr. Jerome), transferred by the Clerk to the Order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all representations made to the Department of Trans- 
port regarding the proposed new federal Motor Vehicle 
Safety Regulations, including regulations for snowmo- 
biles. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 92— Mr. Mather). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
96, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the agreements between Hughes Aircraft Co. on the one 
hand and Northern Electric Co. of Montreal and Spar 
Aerospace Ltd., Malton, Ont. respecting component parts 
for telecommunications satellites, 

having been called was, at the request of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council 
(Mr. Jerome), transferred by the Clerk to the Order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
97, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the contract signed between Telesat Canada and Hughes 



Aircraft Co. for the construction of telecommunications 
satellites, 

having been called was, at the request of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council 
(Mr. Jerome), transferred by the Clerk to the Order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
105, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
all studies prepared under National Health Grant 
Project 605-7-510 of 1969, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Kootenay West (Mr. Harding), transferred 
by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of Motions 
(Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
112, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
literature and other information prepared by the drug 
abuse education unit of the Food and Drug Directorate, 

having been called was, at the request of the Parlia- 
mentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council 
(Mr. Jerome), transferred by the Clerk to the Order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all reports, memoranda, speeches, etc., presented or 
circulated at a meeting in St. Jovite, Quebec, under- 
taken by Information Canada in October, 1970. — (No- 
tice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 155 — 
Mr. Mather). 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Van- 
couver South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide 
temporary emergency powers for the preservation of 
public order in Canada, be now read a third time and 
do pass. 

And on the motion of Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. 
Peters, in amendment thereto, — That Bill C-181 be not 
now read a third time but that it be referred back to 
the Committee of the Whole House for the purpose of 
reconsidering the retroactive aspects of Clause 8 thereof. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said amendment, it was negatived on the following divi- 
sion: 



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Aiken, 

Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Asselin, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Beaudoin, 

Bell, 

Benjamin, 

Burton, 

Cadieu, 

Comeau, 

Grouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Oinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 
Downey, 



Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Benson, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Cafik, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Crossman, 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Deachman, 

De Bane, 

Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 



Fairweather, 

Flemming, 

Forrestall, 

Fortin, 

Gauthier, 

Gilbert, 

Godin, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Harding, 

Harkness, 

Horner, 

Howard (Skeena), 

Howe, 

Knowles (Wirmipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Korchinski, 
Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 



Dub6, 

Duquet, 

Emard, 

fithier, 

Faulkner, 

Forest, 

Forget, 

Foster, 

Francis, 

Gendron, 

Gervais, 

Gibson, 

Gillespie, 

Goode, 

Goyer, 

Gray, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 

Guay (L6vis), 

Guilbault, 

Haidasz, 

Harries, 

Hogarth, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Isabelle, 
Jerome, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

La Salle, 

Latulippe, 

Lewis, 

Lundrigan, 

MacDonald 

(Egmont), 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis (Cape 

Breton-East 

Richmond), 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
MacRae, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 
McGrath, 
Mcintosh, 
McKinley, 
McQuaid, 
Marshall, 
Mather, 

Nays 

Messrs. 

Kierans, 

Lachance, 

Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
Mackasey, 
McBride, 
McDraith, 
Mahoney, 
Major, 
Marceau, 



Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Nesbitt, 

Nielsen, 

Noble, 

Nowlan, 

Nystrom, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Rose, 

Rowland, 

Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Saltsman, 



Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Mongrain, 

Morison, 

Munro, 

Noel, 

Olson, 

Orange, 

Osier, 

Otto, 

Ouellet, 

Pelletier, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Prud'homme, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 



Schumacher, 

Scott, 

Simpson, 

Skoberg, 

Skoreyko, 

Southam, 

Stanfleld, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Valade, 
WooUiams — 89. 



Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Lavcil), 

Sharp, 

Smerchanski, 

Stafford, 

Stanbury, 

Stewart (Cochrane), 

Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont) , 
ToLmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
Yanakis — 115. 



Debate v/as resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That BUI C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate continuing; 



Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Dionne, moved in 
amendment thereto, — That Bill C-181 be not now read 
a third time but that it be referred back to the Com- 
mittee of the Whole House for the purpose of recon- 
sidering the definition of the unlawful association in 
clause three (3) thereof. 



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After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said amendment, it was negatived on the following 
division: 



Yeas 



Messrs. 



Barnett, 


Fortin, 


Lambert 


Mather, 


Rowland, 


Beaudoin, 


Gauthier, 


(Bellechasse), 


Matte, 


Saltsman, 


Benjamin, 


GUbert, 


La Salle, 


Nystrom, 


Skoberg, 


Bvirton, 


Godin, 


Latulippe, 


Orlikow, 


Thomson 


Dionne, 


Howard (Skeena), 


Lewis, 


Peters, 


(Battleford- 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


MacDonald 


Rodrigue, 


Kindersley) — 28. 


Cowichan-The 


North Centre), 


(Egmont), 


Rose, 




Islands), 




Nays 
Messrs. 






Aiken, 


Duquet, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Mazankowski, 


Smerchanski, 


Alexander, 


tthler. 


Humboldt), 


Monteith, 


Southam, 


Anderson, 


Fairweather, 


Langlois, 


Morison, 


Stafford, 


Asselin, 


Faulkner, 


Laniel, 


Mimro, 


Stanbury, 


Badanai, 


Flemming, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Murphy, 


Stanfield, 


Baldwin, 


Forest, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Nesbitt, 


Stewart 


Barrett, 


Forget, 


Lefebvre, 


Nielsen, 


GVIarquette), 


Bell, 


Forrestall, 


Legault, 


Noble, 


Stewart (Okanagan- 


Benson, 


Foster, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Nowlan, 


Kootenay), 


Blouin, 


Francis, 


Lind, 


Orange, 


St. Pierre, 


Borrie, 


Gendron, 


Loiselle, 


Osier, 


Sulatycky, 


Boulanger, 


Gervais, 


Lundrigan, 


Otto, 


Thomas 


Breau, 


Gibson, 


MacEwan, 


Ouellet, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Cadieu, 


Gillespie, 


Maclnnis (Cape 


Paproski, 


Rosemont) , 


Caflk, 


Goode, 


Breton-East 


Peddle, 


Thomas 


Carter, 


Goyer, 


Richmond), 


Pelletier, 


(Moncton), 


Chappell, 


Gray, 


MacLean, 


Penner, 


Thompson 


Chretien, 


Grills, 


Macquarrie, 


Pepin, 


(Red Deer), 


Clermont, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


MacRae, 


Perrault, 


Tohnie, 


Cobbe, 


Guay (Levis), 


McBride, 


Portelance, 


Trudeau, 


Comeau, 


Guilbault, 


McCleave, 


Pringle, 


Trudel, 


Comtois, 


Gundlock, 


McCutcheon, 


Prud'homme, 


Turner 


Corbin, 


Haidasz, 


McGrath, 


Ricard, 


(London East), 


C6t6 (Richelieu), 


Harkness, 


Mcllraith, 


Richard, 


Turner 


Crossman, 


Harries, 


Mcintosh, 


Ritchie, 


(Ottawa-Carleton), 


Crouse, 


Hogarth, 


McKinley, 


Roberts, 


Valade, 


Cullen, 


Horner, 


McQuaid, 


Robinson, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 


Howard (Okanagan 


Mahoney, 


Rock, 


Watson, 


Danforth, 


Boimdary), 


Major, 


Roy (Laval), 


Whelan, 


Deacliman, 


Isabelle, 


Marceau, 


Ryan, 


Whicher, 


De Bane, 


Jerome, 


Marchand 


Rynard, 


Whiting, 


Dinsdale, 


Kierans, 


(LangeUer), 


Schumacher, 


Woolliams, 


Douglas 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Marchand 


Scott, 


Yanakis — 160. 


(Assiniboia), 


Haldimand), 


(Kamloops- 


Sharp, 




Downey, 


Korchinski, 


Cariboo), 


Simpson, 




Dube, 


Lachance, 


Marshall, 


Skoreyko, 





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Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate continuing; 



Changes in Committee Mem,hership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 



Mr. Rowland for Mr. Winch on the Standing Com- 
mittee on External Affairs and National Defence. 

Messrs. Danforth, Harkness and Horner for Messrs. 
McCleave, Nowlan and Lambert (Edmonton West) on 
the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Mr. Nielsen for Mr. Nesbitt on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development. 



At 6.01 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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OP CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the 
House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer 
certificates of the election and return of two Members, 
namely: 

Leopold Corriveau, Esquire, for the Electoral District 
of Frontenac; and 

Maurice Dupras, Esquire, for the Electoral District of 
Labelle. 



CANADA 



OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 
To the Clerk of the Hoxise of Comvions: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the 
fifth day of October, 1970, and addressed to Jos.-Luc 
Roy, of La Guadeloupe, in the Province of Quebec, for 
the election of a Member to serve in the House of 
Commons of Canada for the electoral district of Fron- 
tenac, in the place and stead of Bernard Dumont who 
resigned, Leopold Corriveau, 423 nord, rue Notre-Dame, 
Thetford Mines, P.Q., electrician, has been returned as 
elected. 

Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this 
twenty-sixth day of November, 1970. 

J.-M. HAMEL (L.S.). 
Chief Electoral Officer. 

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CANADA 

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 
To the Clerk of the House of Commons: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the 
fifth day of October, 1970, and addressed to Charles- 
Edouard Rochon, of Saint-Jerome, in the Province of 
Quebec, for the election of a Member to serve in the 
House of Commons of Canada for the electoral district 
of Labelle, in the place and stead of Leo Cadieux who 
accepted an office of emolument under the Crown, 
Maurice Dupras, 444, rue Labelle, Saint-Jerome, P.Q., 
insurance broker, has been returned as elected. 

Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this 
twenty-sixth day of November, 1970. 

J.-M. HAMEL (L.S.). 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



The following Members, having taken and subscribed 
to the oath required by Law, took their seats: 

Leopold Corriveau, Esquire, for the Electoral District 
of Frontenac; and Maurice Dupras, Enquire, for the 
Electoral District of Labelle. 

Mr. Hales, from the Standing Committee on Public Ac- 
counts, presented the First Report of the said Com- 
mittee, which is as follows: 



132 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26. 1970 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Thursday, November 12, 1970, 
your Committee has considered the Public Accounts for the year ended 
March 31, 1968 and the Auditor General's Report thereon and the evidence 
adduced in consideration thereof in the previous session. 

The following relates to matters in the Order of Reference not pre- 
viously reported. 

The following officials were in attendance as witnesses: 

March 12 and 17, 1970: 

From the Department oj Public Works: 

Mr. J. A. MacDonald, Deputy Minister; 

Mr. C. B. Williams, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister. 

April 14, 1970: 

From the Department of Agriculture: 
Mr. S. B. Williams, Deputy Minister. 

AprU 16 and 21, 1970: 

From the Department oj Supply and Services: 

Mr. Jean Boucher, Deputy Minister of Supply (Administration); 
Mr. J. S. Glassford, President, Canadian Arsenals Limited and Assis- 
tant Deputy Minister of Supply (Purchasing); 

Mr. W. H. Huck, Assistant Deputy Minister (Materiel), Supply 
Administration; 

Mr, C, B. Watt, Acting Queen's Printer. 

AprU 23, 1970: 

From the Department of National Health and Welfare: 

Dr. J. Maurice LeClair, Deputy Minister of National Health; 

Mr. J. A. Blais, Acting Deputy Minister of National Welfare; 

Dr. R. A. Armstrong, Acting Director General, Health Insurance and 

Resources; 

Dr. J. H. Wiebe, Director General, Medical Services; 

Dr. R. B. Splane, Director General, Welfare Assistance and Services; 

Mr. C. Grandy, Chief, Claims and Benefits Division, Canada Pension 

Plan. 



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Aprn23, 1970: ' ' 

From the Department of Finance: 

Mr. L. A. Langlois, Government Finance and Capital, Mortgage 
Division. 

AprUSO, 1970: 

From the Department of National Defence: 

Mr. E. B. Armstrong, Deputy Minister; 

Dr. J. C. Arnell, Assistant Deputy Minister (Finance) ; 

Mr. A. G. Bland, President, Defence Construction (1951) Limited. 

From the Auditor General's Office at various times: 

Mr. A. M. Henderson, Auditor General of Canada; 

Mr. G. R. Long, Assistant Auditor General; 

Mr. C. F. Gilhooly, Audit Director; 

Mr. A. G. Cross, Audit Director. 

Your Committee gave consideration to the foUow^ing paragraphs in 
the Report of the Auditor General for the fiscal year ended March 31, 
19e8: 

Department of Public Works: 

Paragraphs 171, 172, 173, 175, 176, 177 and 178. 

Department of Agriculture: 
Paragraphs 176, 59 and 60. 

Department of Supply and Services: 

Paragraphs 19, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 211, 246 and 302. 

Department of National Health and Welfare: 

Paragraphs 29, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 218 and 300. 

Department of National Defence: 

Paragraphs 28, 119, 120, 121, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 130, 131, 132, 
133 and 211. 

PARAGRAPH 171— FEDERAL LAND AND ASSETS OCCUPIER and 
used by the Province of Quebec in the Montreal-Longueuil area. 

This problem, deals in the main part with the following specific 
items: 



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"(1) approximately 1,500,000 square feet of land owned by the 
Crown taken by the Province without agreement or compensation 
to form integral approaches to the Jacques Cartier Bridge; 



(2) approximately 2,358,000 square feet of land with an estimated 
minimum value of $4 million taken by the Province without agreement 
or compensation for service roads connecting a municipal street 
system to a nearby provincial highway; 



(3) remainder lands rendered useless or of little value by virtue of 
the road allowances taken by the Province; 



(4) the expropriation by the Province of a portion of the Craig 
Street armoury site which is holding up settlement between the Crown 
and the City of Montreal involving this site and the adjacent Champ- 
de-Mars property." 



This complicated and involved series of inter-related transactions 
started as far back as the year 1930 during the building of the Jacques 
Cartier Bridge according to Departmental officials and whether it was 
an expropriation or just an occupation of federal property by a provincied 
government is still undecided. 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 135 

As custodian of the inventory of federal property basically the De- 
partment of Public Works was asked by the government to chair an inter- 
departmental federal group to meet with the provincial group in an effort 
to clear up this problem. 



This however shows up the importance of having a complete up-to- 
date real estate inventory as the lack of this is holding up progress on this 
situation. 



Your Committee expects the Department to reach an early settle- 
ment and requests a report from the Department at an early date. Your 
Committee recommends that the Department of Public Works give pri- 
ority to completing its inventory. 



PARAGRAPH 172— INCREASING ACCOMMODATION RENTAL COSTS 

The increasing costs of rentals by the Crown is demonstrated by a 
comparison of such costs incurred by the Department of Public Works 
1966-67. In 1966-67 total rental outlay was $17,148,000 of which $10,301,- 
000 related to premises in Ottawa and Hull. Comparable figures for 1967- 
68 show an acceleration of the trend towards substantially higher costs. 
Total rental outlay was $27,216,000 of which $13,217,000 was for space in 
the National Capital area. 



The increase in costs reflects both higher rates and additional space 
requirements. In the Ottawa-Hull area for instance the 3,650,000 square 
feet of space under lease at March 31, 1967 had risen to 4,725,000 square 
feet by March 31, 1968. 



136 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26, 1970 

A six-storey building in downtown Ottawa provides a good example 
of why rental costs have increjised sharply in recent years. In 1950 the 
Department leased most of the space in this building, 51,940 square feet 
for ten years at an annual rental of $114,000 and renewed this lease in 
1960 for a further five years at an annual rental of $118,000. Then it was 
renewed briefly at a rate of $145,000 per annum and vacated by the gov- 
ernment on October 31, 1965. A condition of the lease was that the 
premises rented would be surrendered in good and tenantable repair, 
reasonable wear and tear expected eind the Department was called upon 
to pay the lessor $113,000 in 1966 for his expenses in rectifying damages 
beyond the "reasonable wear and tear" limit. 



With effect from July 1, 1967 the Department of Public Works leased 
55,000 square feet, the whole of the building, to accommodate units of the 
Department of External Affairs, for a period of ten years at an annual 
rental of $230,000. In addition, in the event that the municipal real 
estate taxes, excepting local improvement charges, rise to the extent that 
in any tax year the taxes exceed 120% of the tax imposed for the base 
year 1967, the Crown will pay the excess. 



The cost of $113,000 for damage beyond reasonable wear and tear 
was due to much traffic back and forth between departments and a lot 
of heavy repair and maintenance to floors and entrances resulted. Also, 
because of the uses to which the building was being put, substantial alter- 
ations had been made inside the building. 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 137 

However, your Committee recommends one change that should be 
adopted in future years to make all departments more cost conscious, 
that each department make accommodation and damage costs a charge 
on the department's appropriation, rather than having the Department 
of Public Works pay a large part of this sum out of its own appropriation. 
It might at the same time make departments willing to seek more modest 
accommodations in an effort to keep their estimates within reasonable 
bounds. 



PARAGRAPH 173 

Your Committee has been informed that the Treasury Board has 
announced plans for a comprehensive review of the policies and practices 
relating to the privileges of eating facilities for Crown employees. 

The Department of Public Works officials state that they are preparing 
a costing system covering the space occupied by cafeterias and hope to be 
in a position to ascertain on a continuing basis the actual cost of providing 
Ccifeterias and similar facilities for public servants and this will require a 
modern, accrual and cost-accounting system. 

Your Committee is of the opinion that proper management control and 
a true picture of the cost of running these establishments cannot be ob- 
tained until the Department of Public Works and the Treasury Board 
develop a new cost-accounting system. 



PARAGRAPH 175— CONSTRUCTION AND FINANCING OF WHARF 
FACILITIES FOR EXCLUSIVE USE OF PRIVATE INTERESTS, WOLF 
COVE, NFLD. 

This case is similar to a reference mentioned previously in the Auditor 
General's Report 1967 (paragraph 138) where the Department of Public 

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138 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26. 1970 

Works had agreed to design, construct and finance wharf facilities at Long 
Harbour, Nfld., for the exclusive use of a Newfoundland company. The 
company referred to in the previous case, the Electric Reduction Com- 
pany, agreed to repay the cost of construction with interest over a period 
of 25 years and only then the title would pass to the firm. 



This present case concerned the building of a wharf at Wolf Cove, 
Nfld. for the exclusive use of Gall Bridge Mines, and this company was 
given a period of 15 years in which to repay with interest the cost in- 
curred by the Crown. 



Your Committee finds no objection to the federal government fi- 
nancing such projects as these, as no doubt it felt that in return they were 
helping to develop the region, but it does object to the fact that the in- 
formation appearing in the estimates gave no indication that these facili- 
ties were being built for the exclusive use of the companies concerned. 



Your Committee recommends that in future, such projects as these 
when appearing in the estimates for approval of Parliament contain an 
explanatory note stating that such projects are being built for the ex- 
clusive use of private interests. 



PARAGRAPH 176— COST OF MAXIMUM SECURITY LIVESTOCK 
QUARANTINE STATION, GROSSE-ILE, QUEBEC. 

Early in 1965 the Department of Agriculture obtained Executive ap- 
proval for establishment of a maximum security livestock quarantine sta- 
tion at Grosse-Ile, Quebec at an estimated cost of $270,000. This station 
was to differ from other existing stations because it was to receive cattle 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 139 

(Charolais) from continental Europe rather than the United Kingdom, 
which would involve longer periods of quarantine under more stringent 
conditions to ensure that these cattle would be free from hoof and mouth 
diseases. 



Because of incomplete information received from the Department of 
Agriculture and the fact that the Department of Agriculture officials had 
stated that the shipment date of these cattle from France had been ad- 
vanced, the Department of Public Works had to initiate a crash program 
to have this station ready by October 1, 1965 to receive these cattle, not 
only ready to receive them but also be absolutely sure that no contamina- 
tion could be carried away from Grosse-Ile. 



The usual procedures including the calling of public tenders could 
not be followed because of the time element. After changes and amend- 
ments to plans and structures the costs jumped from an estimated $270,- 
000 to the final payment to the contractor brought the cost to $537,000. 



In November 1965 Treasury Board approvcil had been obtained to 
amend the contract to $212,000 to provide for necessary electrical and 
mechanical work as well as an additional unemticipated expense of 
$52,000 for gravel back fill and in April 1966, after the work had been 
completed, the Department of Public Works obtained Treasury Board ap- 
proval to make the final payment of $537,000. 



In 1966 when the Department of Agriculture requested the Depart- 
ment of Public Works to arrange for the construction of facilities which 
would double the capacity of the quarantine station, this project was 
completed at a final cost of $360,000. In this instance tenders were called 
by public advertisement. 

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140 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26. 1970 

After questioning officials from the Department of Public Works and 
the Department of Agriculture, your Committee is of the opinion that 
there was a combination of errors and circumstances that caused this 
overexpenditure and also the Department of Public Works approaching 
the Treasury Board for ex-post facto approval of costs for v^^ork already 
completed. 

The Department of Agriculture could have saved the Department of 
Public Works costs and replanning, if the agricultural scientists and other 
officials could have supplied more specific details of their requirements. 

For example, a manure pit as originally requested by the Department 
of Agriculture at a cost of $9,000, was later changed by the decision of 
the research scientists to a much more rigidly controlled manure system 
at a cost of $60,000. 

While realizing that both Departments were under the stress of a 
crash program to have this quarantine station ready by a certain date, 
your Committee is of the opinion that any Department should approach 
the Department of Public Works with a complete list of their require- 
ments to enable that Department to prepare realistic architectural plans 
and specifications. Also the Committee does not approve of the Depart- 
ment of Public Works making contractual commitments in advance of 
Treasury Board approval, and not calling fpr public tenders for work to 
be performed, despite the fact that the Department of Public Works ex- 
plained that it was the urgency of the program which caused them to do 
so. 

PARAGRAPH 177— CONSULTANTS' FEES IN RESPECT OF DEFERRED 
PROJECT, TORONTO, ONTARIO. 

This concerns a plan, first considered in 1958 to construct a large 
addition to the City Delivery Building of the Post Office Department in 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 141 

Toronto postal terminal for that city. The Post Oflfice Department advised 
the Department of Public Works that before detailed planning for this 
building could be undertaken it would be necessary to make a complete 
study and to design a mechanical installation capable of handling a con- 
stantly increasing flow of mail, and in 1959 engineering consultants were 
retained for this purpose. 



From 1959 until the project was finally abandoned and the consultants 
were instructed to stop work on the project and the official decision not 
to proceed with the terminal plans in November 1967 occurred a chain 
of events which can be followed in the Auditor General's Report 1968. 



In 1961, a first proposal by two firms engaged as consulting architects 
indicated that the project would cost in excess of $60 million. Because 
of a request for a more economical design in 1962, they submitted a pro- 
posal reduced to $42 million and in November 1967 when the final decision 
not to proceed with the terminal plans was made official, an estimated 
cost of $65,280,000 was involved. 



The total cost of all this planning and replanning since 1959 was 
$1,600,000 with remote chance that these plans will eventually be used. 



To the Committee it would appear that this is another example of a 
Depeirtment approaching the Public Works Department without first 
making a thorough and complete project study for the future. 



Your Committee is of the opinion that if the Post Office Department 
itself had to pay this $1,600,000 spent in planning rather than the Public 



142 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26, 1970 

Works Department, it would have been more economical and spfeciflc in 
its proposals. 



PARAGRAPH 178— COST OF UNUSED PLANS, OTTAWA. 

This is a plan that in its original concept dates back to 1960 when 
the Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources requested 
additional museum space and they developed their plan for two buildings, 
one for natural history and one for human history. The program was ap- 
proved by Treasury Board and the Department of Public Works was 
brought in to work with the museum on developing their requirements. 

In order to economize on costs, a compromise was reached with the 
Department and it was agreed that one building would be put up and in 
1962 architects were engaged by the Department of Public Works to 

(a) design and prepare complete drawings and specifications to 
supervise construction of Phase I of a new building in Ottawa for the 
National Museum; 

(b) design and prepare complete working drawings and specifications 
for Phase 11 of the same structure. 



Completion data for Phase I was planned for July 1, 1967 but by 
mid- 1964 when the plans were almost ready to be sent to tender, the 
Ottawa construction plan for the next two or three years was cut back 
and the Museum building was a casualty of this decision, priority being 
given to the construction of the National Arts Centre. 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 143 

During this time the Department of Public Works officials stated, 
the project came under the scrutiny of a new group of directors with the 
Museum organization transferring to the Secretary of State Department 
and in 1966 these new directors who had not been personally responsible 
for the projected requirements to which the new building was designed 
had become increasingly doubtful about its suitability. According to testi- 
mony from Department of Public Works Officials, this was because there 
were additional factors they wanted to look at — a larger program involving 
Museum, National Library and National Gallery as well. 

In 1968, although no further action was taken, it was apparent that 
the National Museum Building would not be built on the basis of the 
planning that was commissioned in 1962 and Treasury Board authority 
was sought and obtained to make a final payment to the architects for 
their services. The total cost including extra design fees and incidentals 
amounted to $753,000. 

Your Committee plans to query this matter further when the Secre- 
tary of State Department appears before it. 



DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE 
PARAGRAPH 60— INCONCLUSIVE POST-AUDIT OF SUBSIDIES PAID. 

In this case, the Department of Agriculture, acting in accordance with 
a directive issued by the Treasury Board in 1960 dealing with the question 
of federal-provincial grants in shared cost programs, undertook to pay 
these subsidies to the provinces subject to a post-audit. 

In 1965, the Province of Prince Edward Island requested that the 
federal government share with the province the cost of providing compen- 
sation for growers of certain vegetable crops who had suffered losses 



144 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26, 1970 

because of a drought. In April 1967, the province's claim for reimburse- 
ment bearing the certification of the Provincial Auditor that the amount 
of $148,000 had been paid to the growers by the province was paid in the 
amount of $74,000 (50% of the actual cost), subject to post-audit, and 
charged to the Department of Agriculture's Vote 35, 1966-67. 

The report of the Provincial Auditor for the year ended March 31, 
1967 noted that his certification on the claim merely stated that the amount 
of $148,000 had been paid by the province because, due to the length of 
time that had passed, it was impossible for him to verify actual produc- 
tion figures from examination of the farmers' and packers' records. 

On October 31, 1967 the Audit Services Branch of the Comptroller 
of the Treasury reported that, while they were able to certify the amount 
of compensation paid to the growers, they were unable to certify that 
the payments complied with the terms of the agreement for assistance. 

Your Committee is pleased to note that the Department of Agricul- 
ture has since informed the provinces that growers of vegetable crops 
should be protected from losses by bringing these crops under the Crop 
Insurance Act, 1959, c.42, and that special assistance programs would not 
be supported as they had been in the past. 



Department of Supply and Services: 

PARAGRAPH 79— SALE OF CROWN-OWNED FOUNDRY 

In November 1967, the Treasury Board approved the entry by the 
Department of Defence Production into an agreement for the sale of a 
light-alloy foundry. Although the purchaser took charge of the foundry 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 145 

December 5, 1967 and signed a preliminary agreement of sale in April 
1968, the formal agreement transferring title to the property and em- 
bodying the various terms of the acquisition was not signed by the pur- 
chaser until November, 1968. 



This proposed sale was discussed at that time in the House of Com- 
mons in Committee of Supply in March, 1968 and following the House 
approved Supplementary Estimates (C) 1967-68 which provided the De- 
partment of Defence Production with $480,000 in Vote 6 to reimburse 
the Defence Production Revolving Fund for the losses sustained in the 
operations of the foundry prior to its sale, and $740,000 in Vote 7 to pay 
the obligations of the foundry outstanding at September 30, 1967. 



This has not been a profitable venture for the government. During the 
years 1963-1968, this foundry has operated with a variety of manage- 
ments and business arrangements, mostly at a loss. Over the years 1963- 
1968, on a gross sales of $7,421,000, the foundry operated at a loss of 
$535,000 and the Crown's share of this loss was $450,000. 

The Department cannot be faulted for not trying to obtain some firm 
interested in acquiring the foundry and continuing operations, — having 
approached some 27 Canadian and several United States firms over the 
years, but it was not successful until it agreed to sell all outstanding shares 
of the operating company at the book value of $7 and a share of the 
profits in the ensuing five years' operation. 

It was agreed that the Crown would receive 50% of any profit earned 
in the years ending December 31, 1968 and 1969 and the lesser of $90,000 
or 50% of any profit in 1970, 1971 and 1972. 



146 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26, 1970 

Your Committee has since been informed by the Department of Supply 
and Services in answer to questions asked (APPENDIX I, Issue Nq. 24) 
that although this plant now ranks as the third largest producer of mag- 
nesium and aluminum castings in North America, the plant lost $43,000 in 
1968, and a drastic reduction in casting requirements could have an ad- 
verse effect on the profit position of the contractor for the period 1969 
through 1972. 

This is not the only operation beset with problems of this nature. 
"Paragraph 80. Disposal of surplus forging facility" involves the Crown in 
a very similar operation, where the Crown is placed in the position of 
having to ofEer the plant at a nominal price of $7 in the case of the plant at 
Haley Station in order to keep this plant in operation, and $1 in the case 
of the surplus forging facility. 

Your Committee is of the opinion that the time has come for the De- 
partment to take a hard look at these operations of a marginal nature 
to decide if it is in the national interest to keep them in operation. 



PARAGRAPH 81— COST OF UNUSED HOTEL ACCOMMODATION- 
GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS. 

In anticipation of a shortage of hotel accommodation in the City of 
Montreal, the Department of Defence Production, at the request of the 
Treasury Board, entered into contracts with five hotels to ensure that ac- 
commodation would be available from April 1 to October 31, 1967 for 
personnel of 76 departments and agencies travelling to Montreal on busi- 
ness. 

The cost of unoccupied accommodation during this period was $21,100 
of which $10,300 was for a block of 16 rooms reserved for the use of the 
Department of Trade and Commerce. The reservation of these 16 rooms 
was discontinued effective May 19 when it was realized the Department 
had used only 156 of the 768 room nights available during the period from 
April 1 to May 18. A further $1,500 was charged to various departments 



November 26, 1970 H OUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 147 

whose personnel failed to cancel reservations for accommodation they did 
not require or did not give sufficient advance notice of changes in their 
requirements. 

The remaining cost of $9,300 v/as for accommodation that the hotels 
were unable to rent to the general public after the Department of Defence 
Production had advised them each day which accommodation it would not 
require. (See also paragraph 63 of the Auditor General's 1968 Report). 

The Department of Defence Production is to be commended for its 
business-like and prompt action in cutting down the costs of unused hotel 
accommodation at Expo 67. On examination, your Committee discovered 
that this was done as the Department stated, through good rapport with 
LogExpo and also with any other organization with requirements for rooms 
in Montreal. 

The Department of Defence Production, by cutting back to 40% on the 
original estimates for hotel rooms submitted to it by the various depart- 
ments, admitted that it took a risk that it might not be able to fill all re- 
quests for accommodation but your Committee feels they took a justifiable 
risk, particularly in the case of the overestimation mentioned above by the 
Department of Trade and Commerce. 



PARAGRAPH 83— COST OF ABANDONED INFORMATION SYSTEM. 

Based on organizational and operational concepts accepted in 1965, 
the Canadicm Government Repair Service of the Department of Defence 
Production decided in 1966 to develop a computerized information system 
for the operation and management of procurement, repair, overhaul and 
maintenance of all government machines and equipment throughout Can- 
ada and to provide to departments certain information that the Royal Com- 
mission on Government Organization had indicated was desirable. 



148 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26, 1970 

After a total expenditure of $69,000 on this plan in which only 45% 
of the work on Phase I had been completed, the Department abandoned 
this plan and reverted to the manual system which would meet only the 
requirements of the service and the preliminary computer files have since 
been destroyed. 

Questioning of the departmental officials revealed that they felt that 
there was already available information commercially and commercial 
records that could be utilized for the Department's purpose and they felt 
they could not justify continuation of this work. 

While commending the Department's decision to cut their losses, your 
Committee is of the opinion that a more careful study and an analysis of 
the proposed system should have been undertaken before commencing 
the plan. 



PARAGRAPH 84— SHARED COSTS UNDER A RESEARCH CONTRACT 
NOT VERIFIED. 

This was a shared- cost research contract where the work was com- 
pleted to the Crown's satisfaction and within the original cost estimates. 
However, the contractor's claim for the Crown's share of the costs in the 
amount of $49,000 could not be verified for the reasons stated: 

1 . Although company officials indicated that the relevant books and 
records were stored at one of the company's locations, no one was 
able to trace any supporting records relating to the period from 
inception to January 1, 1965. This circumstance precluded the 
application of required audit procedures. 

2. Costs to January 1, 1965 per the progress claims represented 
$75,861.23 or 77% of total costs per final claim. 

3 . Even if the above books and records were located, an opinion on 
total costs could not be expressed because of the inadequacy of the 
internal control during the years 1962, 1963 and 1964. 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 149 

4. Since only 23% of the cost was incurred subsequent to the year 
1964 and no other cost-reimbursable type contracts were subject 
to audit in the period, it was deemed not worthwhile to initiate 
audit procedures to arrive at an evaluation of the internal control 
relating to the years 1965, 1966, 1967. 

No final decision has been made as yet and in the meantime a final 
progress claim of $556 is being withheld. 

As stated in Paragraph 175 of the Auditor General's 1969 Report, addi- 
tional records have been located. An audit report dated March 12, 1970 is 
still not conclusive because of lack of information but it indicates the pos- 
sibility of a substantial overpayment and it appears that the Crown's share 
of the cost has now been reduced to $37,480. 

As this case is not complete, your Committee reserves its final opinion 
on this matter pending further inquiry, but expresses the view that the 
Department or any department should not pay any moneys to any firm or 
individual unless there are available adequate supi>orting records of the 
transaction. 



DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL HEALTH AND WELFARE 
PARAGRAPH 137— EXCESSIVE GRANT TO A HOSPITAL. 

Because of a clerical error a hospital in Saskatchewan was confused 
with a hospital in Alberta and the Saskatchewan Hospital was advised that 
a grant of $109,000 would be granted to it for extensive renovations and 
new construction; whereas after renegotiation, based on the fact that the 
construction costs exceeded estimates the final federal contribution would 
have provided a sum of $86,000. 

When this fact was pointed out to the hospital, it was not acceptable 
as it maintained that it had arranged its financing based on the federal con- 
tribution of $109,000 which was promised. With the approval of the 
Executive the additional amount of $23,000 was paid in 1967-68. 



150 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS November 26, 1970 

Your Committee is of the opinion that no fault can be attributed to the 
hospital as they proceeded in good faith on the basis of the financing 
promised and the federal government had no alternative but to provide 
the extra sum but it does recommend a closer check of all federal contribu- 
tions towards such projects. 

PARAGRAPH 139— PROVINCIAL PAYMENTS TO FEDERAL HOSPI- 
TALS UNDER THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE DIAGNOSTIC SERVICES 
ACT, 1957, C.28. 

This Act stipulates that: 

"The amounts payable by a province in respect of the cost of insured 
services provided by federal hospitals shall be determined on the basis 
of the amount that would have been paid by the province for such 
services to hospitals other than federal hospitals in that province that 
are comparable as regards size, facilities, standards of service and 
location." 

The agreements that have been entered into with each of the provinces 
and the territories set out the manner in which the provinces will comply 
with the Regulations in the matter of reimbursing federal hospitals for the 
cost of providing insured services. Generally, federal hospitals are required 
to submit to the provincial hospital insurance authority the same returns 
and information, including budgets and audited financial statements, that 
are required from non- federal hospitals and they are also to be paid on the 
basis of approved audited costs. If a federal hospital is unable to provide 
the required returns it is to receive payments, usually expressed as a 
patient-day rate, calculated on the basis of the amounts paid to non-federal 
hospitals providing similar services. One province and the two territories 
pay at patient-day rates that have been negotiated between the hospital 
insurance authority and the appropriate federal authority. 

Testimony of the witnesses revealed that although a hospital account- 
ing system had been provided in these hospitals based on the Canadian 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF CO MM ONS JOURNAL S 151 

Hospital Accounting Manual, it was not working in all cases, principally 
due to recruiting of competent staff and the difficulties of retaining staff in 
isolated areas. 

Your Committee is of the opinion that perhaps the accounting system 
installed is too complex and that further studies should be undertaken 
between the federal and provincial authorities to simplify the system. 



PARAGRAPH 140— HOSPITAL CHARGES FOR INDIANS. 

In the Province of Saskatchewan the Federal Government pays the 
provincial hospitalization tax for Indians residing on reserves, or who have 
been residing off reserves for less than 12 months, in order that they may 
be eligible for benefits provided by the provincial hospital insurance plan. 
Indians who have been residing off reserves for 12 months or more are 
liable imder provincial legislation to pay the hospitalization tax. With few 
exceptions, therefore, Indians residing in the Province are covered by the 
hospital plan. During the year the total tax paid by Canada on behalf of 
Indians domiciled in the Province was $319,000. 

In the Prince Albert area of the Province, Indians requiring medical 
treatment who are not considered emergency cases have frequently been 
accommodated in the Prince Albert Nursing Home rather than in either 
of the two local hospitals. Among the reasons given for this is the shortage 
of hospital beds. However, as the Province does not recognize this Home as 
a hospital for purposes of the Saskatchewan Hospital Insurance Plan, the 
cost of the accommodation is borne by the Department of National Health 
and Welfare which paid the Home $63,000 during the year for Indian 
patients requiring nursing care. 

The Auditor General's Office had been critical that Indian patients 
being eligible in most cases for treatment in public hospitals by payment 
of the provincial hospitalization tax which the federal government pays for 
Indians residing on reserves and because of this did not think that the 



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Department should be called upon to pay for their accommodation in the 
Nursing Home while undergoing medical treatment and a difference of 
opinion resulted between the Auditor General's Office and the Department. 

In view of the existing circumstances, the Committee agrees with the 
payment of $63,000. However, consideration should be given to reconciling 
the technical difficulties involved. 



PARAGRAPH 300— CANADA PENSION PLAN ACCOUNT. 

Your Committee examined the Canada Pension Plan Account. This 
account had a balance at the end of the year of over $1,352,754,000 and the 
Act requires that the Minister of National Health and Welfare report to 
Parliament on the administration of the Act, including a statement showing 
amounts credited to or charged to the Canada Pension Plan Account and 
to the Canada Pension Plan Investment Fund during the year. Although 
there is no requirement in the Act for the Auditor General to report upon 
this statement, these accounts form part of the accounts of Canada and as 
such are examined by the Auditor General under sections 67 and 69 of the 
Financial Administration Act. 

The Treasury Board has given the Department of National Health and 
Welfare the right to conduct an audit of charges of both their own depart- 
ment and other departments who have a part in administering the plan, 
but the Auditor General's Office report that to date pending the establish- 
ment of the departmental internal audit groups, an audit of charges against 
the plan has not been made. 

Yoiu: Committee feels, that as the Treasury Board has given the right 
to Health and Welfare to conduct an audit of charges of both their own 
department and the other participating departments, it should be exercised 
as soon as possible. 



November 26, 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 153 

DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE 

PARAGRAPH 119— TRAVEL BY PRIVATE MOTOR CAR. 

This is a problem that has been before the Committee in other years 
where service members who use private motor cars for their own con- 
venience on duty trips, etc. and who are allowed to claim their expenses on 
the basis of all-inclusive mileage rates, which cover transportation, meals 
and accommodation and there was no direct evidence that the trips had 
been made in the manner claimed. 

The Auditor General's Office states that in the course of its examina- 
tion of travel claims during 1967-68 it continued to experience difficulty 
in establishing to its satisfaction that all trips involving the use of private 
cars were made in the manner claimed. 

Your Committee is pleased to report the Deputy Minister has stated 
that the Department has made changes as a result of a review of travel 
regxilations with the Treasury Board related to bringing the military travel 
regvdations more in line with the civilian regulations. It has also introduced 
a requirement that a member of the service obtain from a reputable person 
in the area to which he travelled by private motor car an indication that 
he had done so. 



PARAGRAPH 120— FRAUDULENT TRAVEL EXPENSE CLAIMS SUB- 
MITTED BY PERSONNEL OF THE CANADIAN FORCES. 

Reimbursement of lodgings and meal expenses in accordance with 
travel regulations were made to 48 members of an element of a Canadian 
Forces unit on temporary duty in Ottawa during the period April to 
October 1967. In the course of internal checking procedures, the validity 
of the receipts for lodgings came under suspicion and after investigation 
42 were found to be fraudulent. 



154 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS NovCTiber 26, 1970 

The loss to the Crown was $15,200, of which $14,800 was recovered 
from the service members concerned and steps are being taken to recover 
the remainder. 

Another case involving 12 out 15 members of an Armed Forces group 
involving a sum of $875 for fraudulent travel claims, resulted in recovery 
of the money. Fines and reprimands were imposed on the service personnel 
involved. 

Your Committee is pleased to report that the Department has stated 
that it has rewritten the travel regulations' which tightens up the pro- 
cedures to some degree. 

PARAGRAPH 130— RECONSTRUCTING OF AIRCRAFT PARKING 
APRON. 

In August 1962, Defence Construction (1951) Limited awarded a con- 
tract for the construction of runways, taxiways and asphalt overlay of a 
hangar apron at Canadian Forces Base Moose Jaw in Saskatchewan. This 
work was completed in November 1963 at a cost of $3,679,000. 

Prior to the completion date, depressions caused by the wheels of 
parked aircraft appeared in the asphalt overlay of the hangar apron. Since 
the contractor had applied the overlay in accordance with the specifica- 
tions, he was not held responsible. 

By the summer of 1964 it was evident that a strip adjacent to the 
hangars had to be replaced to allow the hangars to be used. A contract 
was awarded in the autumn of 1964 for the replacement of a strip 50 by 
1,500 feet which was completed in November 1964 at a cost of $53,000. 

An engineering consultant was then employed to determine the under- 
lying cause of the depressions. His initial report indicated that the base 
over which the asphalt had been laid was not stable enough to carry the 
load of parked aircraft and that the overlay itself had not failed. In early 
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November 26. 1970 HOUSE OF COMMONS JOURNALS 155 

temperature conditions, the consultant reported that the asphalt overlay 
could not support the weight and that consideration should be given to 
another type of surface. 

As a result of his findings, the Department of National Defence de- 
cided to replace the entire apron using concrete. A contract for this work 
was awarded in August 1965 and completed in July 1966. The settlement 
of a claim for additional work in the amount of $20,000 in July 1967 
brought the total cost of the contract to $969,000. 

Your Committee agrees with the Auditor General's Report regarding 
the expenditure of $53,000 in 1964 as unproductive. 

Your Committee is of the opinion that adequate research was not 
carried out on this project prior to commencement of the work. Defence 
Construction should have carried out tests and borings before the work 
started, instead of hiring an engineering consultant after the work was 
completed. Further, we recommend that the Department establish pro- 
cedures to ensure that adequate engineering is carried out before pro- 
ceeding with similar projects. 

Copies of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, (Issues 
Nos. 14 to 19 inclusive and 21 of the previous session are returned and 
issues Nos. 1 and 2 of the current session) are tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said 
Report recorded as Appendix No. 3 to the Journals.) 



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Mr. Beer, from the Standing Committee on Agricul- 
ture, presented the First Report of the said Conunittee, 
which is as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be granted leave 
to adjourn from place to place within Canada for the 
purpose of hearing further evidence relating to its study 
of Bill C-176, An Act to establish the National Farm 
Products Marketing Council and to authorize the estab- 
lishment of national marketing agencies for farm prod- 
ucts, and that the necessary supporting staff accompany 
the Committee. 



Mr. Chappell, from the Special Committee on Election 
Expenses, presented the First Report of the said Com- 
mittee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be granted leave 
to retain the services of a legal counsel during the Com- 
mittee's consideration of the limitation and control of 
election expenses in Canada. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issue No. 2) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 4 to 
the Journals) . 

Mr. Ouellet, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary 
of State for External Affairs, laid upon the Table, — 
Supplementary News Release, dated November 26, 1970, 
by the Canadian International Development Agency, 
with reference to emergency relief to East Pakistan. 
(English aild French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/97A. 

Mr. Howard (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Knowles 
(Winnipeg North Centre), by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-199, An Act to amend the Canadian Film 
Development Corporation Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Anderson, seconded by Mr. Osier, by leave of 
the House, introduced Bill C-200, An Act to amend the 
Food and Drugs Act (Labelling), which was read the 



first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pepin for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Marchand 
(Langelier), moved, — That this House, pursuant to sub- 
section (Ic) of section 7 of the Customs Tariff, do 
approve that the Men's and Boys' Shirts Surtax Order, 
being Order in Council P.C. 1970-959 of 2 June, 1970 
made under subsection (la) of section 7 of the said Act, 
continue to have force and effect until the 29th day of 
November, 1971. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Van- 
couver South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide 
temporary emergency powers for the preservation of 
public order in Canada, be now read a third time and 
do pass. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

[Notices oj Motions (Papers)] 

Items nnmbered 24, 60, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 
120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129 and 130 
were allowed to stand at the request of the government 
and retain their position. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by Mrs. 
Maclnnis, — That an Order of the House do issue for a 
copy of any reports or reviews with regard to social 
welfare legislation and income security prepared by or 
under the direction of Dr. J. W. Willard, Deputy Minister 
of Welfare for Canada, since June 25, 1968. — (Notice oj 
Motion jor the Production of Papers No. 51). 

After further debate thereon, the question being put 
on the said motion, it was negatived on the following 
division: 



Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Harnett, 

Beaudoin, 

Bell, 

Benjamin, 

Broadbent, 

Burton, 



Cadieu, 

Caouette, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islamds), 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Downey, 

Fairweather, 

For tin, 

Gilbert, 

Godin, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Hai-ding, 

Harkness, 



Horner, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 



Laprise, 
La Salle, 
Latulippe, 
Lewis, 
Limdrigan, 
MacDonald 
(Egmont), 
MacEwan, 



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Maclnnis (Cape 


Mcintosh, 


Orlikow, 


Ryan, 


Thompson 


Breton-East 


McQuaid, 


Paproski, 


Saltsman, 


(Red Deer), 


Richmond), 


Meirshall, 


Peters, 


Simpson, 


Thomson 


MacLean, 


Mather, 


Ricard, 


Skoberg, 


(Battleford- 


Macquarrie, 


Mazankowski, 


Ritchie, 


Southam, 


Kindersley), 


MacRae, 


Moore, 


Rodrigue, 


Stewart 


Valade, 


McCleave, 


Nielsen, 


Rose, 


(Marquette), 


WooUiams, 


McGrath, 


Nystrom, 


Rowland, 

Nays 
Messrs. 


Thomas 
(Moncton), 


Yewchuk— 70. 


Allmand, 


Deachman, 


Isabelle, 


Marchand 


Stafford, 


Anderson, 


Deakon, 


Jerome, 


(Kamloops- 


Stanbury, 


Andras, 


De Bane, 


Lachance, 


Cariboo), 


Stewart (Cochrane), 


Badanai, 


Douglas 


Laing (Vancouver 


Morison, 


Stewart (Okanagan- 


Barrett, 


(Assiniboia), 


South), 


Murphy, 


Kootenay), 


Basford, 


Drury, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Noel, 


St. Pierre, 


Beer, 


Dube, 


Humboldt), 


Olson, 


Sullivan, 


Blouin, 


Dupras, 


Langlois, 


Orange, 


Thomas 


Borrie, 


Ethier, 


Laniel, 


Osier, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Boulanger, 


Forest, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Otto, 


Rosemont), 


Buchanan, 


Forget, 


LeBlanc (Rimouski), 


Ouellet, 


Tolmie, 


Cafik, 


Foster, 


Lefebvre, 


Pelletier, 


Trudeau, 


Chappell, 


Francis, 


Legault, 


Penner, 


Trudel, 


Chretien, 


Gendron, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Pepin, 


Turner 


Clermont, 


Gibson, 


Lessard 


Perrault, 


(London East), 


Cobbe, 


Gillespie, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Portelanoe, 


Turner 


Comtois, 


Gray, 


Mackasey, 


Pringle, 


(Ottawa-Carleton), 


Corbin, 


Greene, 


McBride, 


Prud'homme, 


Walker, 


Cote (Richelieu),, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


Mcllraith, 


Richard, 


Watson, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Guay (Levis), 


Mahoney, 


Richardson, 


Weatherhead, 


Crossman, 


Gviilbault, 


Marceau, 


Rock, 


Whelan, 


Cullen, 


Hellyer, 


Marchand 


Roy (Laval), 


Whicher, 


Cyr, 


Hogarth, 


(Langelier), 


Smerchanski, 


Whiting— 105. 


Danson, 






Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 





The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order 
in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate continuing; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the names of the Honourable Senators 
Haig and Quart had been substituted for those of the 
Honourable Senators Flynn and Grosart on the list of 
Senators serving on the Special Joint Committee of the 
Senate and House of Commons on the Constitution of 
Canada. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Deachman for Mr. Noel on the Special Committee 
on Election Expenses. 

Me.^srs. Lambert (Edmonton West) and McCleave for 
Messrs. Horner and Danforth on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 



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Mr. St. Pierre for Mr. Francis on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Procedure and Organization. 

Messrs. Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo), C6t6 (Riche- 
lieu) and McBride for Messrs. Douglas (Assiniboia) , 
Pringle and Stewart (Okanagan-Kootenay) on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Agriculture. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette^ Part H of Wednesday, 
November 25, 1970, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French) .—Sessional Paper No. 283-l/34aA. 



At 10.22 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Pursuant to Standing Order 60, an Order of the Day, 
for the consideration of a Ways and Means Motion, was 
designated for Thursday next at 8.00 o'clock p.m. in 
order to permit a budget presentation by the Honourable 
the Minister of Finance. 



Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of a Statement made to the 
House of Commons by the Minister of Industry, Trade 
and Conrunerce, with reference to the shipbuilding ex- 
pansion program, together with copies of a Press Release, 
dated November 27, 1970, issued by the Department of 
Industry, Trade and Conamerce. (English and French). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-7/11. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Transport and 
Communications of Bill C-186, An Act to authorize the 
provision of moneys to meet certain capital expenditures 



of the Canadian National Railways System and Air 
Canada for the period from the 1st day of January, 1970, 
to the 30th day of June, 1971, and to authorize the guar- 
antee by Her Majesty of certain securities to be issued 
by the Canadian National Railway Company and certain 
debentures to be issued by Air Canada; 

Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Pepin, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Transport and Communications. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Skoberg, proposed to move, — That Bill C-186 be not 
now read a second time, but that it be resolved that in 
the opinion of this House no consideration should be 
given to the making of any further financial guarantees 
or grants to the Canadian National Railways until the 
Government has assured Parliament that it will call on 
the Canadian National Railways to implement forth- 
with the improvements in pension arrangements recom- 



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mended in the Report of the Standing Committee on 
Transport and Communications, tabled in this House 
on October 5, 1970, and concurred in by the House of 
Commons on October 7, 1970, the said concurrence having 
been unanimous. 



RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I thank the honourable Acting President 
of the Privy Council (Mr. Macdonald) and the honour- 
able Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles') 
for their very learned advice. As I indicated in the 
House earlier this afternoon, I have given serious 
thought to the matter. 

I do not believe the amendment should be opposed 
from a procedural point of view only for the pleasure of 
opposing such an amendment and complicating the work 
of the House. I believe we should be very careful of the 
type of amendment which we allow either on second or 
third reading, especially when we are dealing with a so- 
called reasoned amendment. The question is whether we 
have before us what could properly be defined as a 
reasoned amendment. This is the source of my difficulty. 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre 
has referred to the form of the amendment he has pro- 
posed and I see no difficulty in this regard. Certainly 
the form which he has used is preferable to the form 
which is sometimes accepted by the Chair. I would hope 
that this form might be followed as closely as possible. 

In respect of a reasoned amendment in the form pro- 
posed by the honourable Member for Winnipeg North 
Centre, it is suggested that it opposes the progress of the 
bill. I am quite in agreement with that. This is one of 
the tests proposed in citation 382 on which the honour- 
able Member for Winnipeg North Centre rests his case. 
He has met that condition. There are other tests, one of 
which was mentioned by the honourable Minister of 
National Defence (Mr. Macdonald). It is referred to in 
citation 393(1) and is to the effect that the amendment 
should oppose the principle of the bill. I doubt whether 
the honourable Member intended to oppose the principle 
of the bill, and I am not sure whether this amendment 
does so. In any event this is an important consideration. 

There is another point of view or approach which is 
perhaps even more important than the one mentioned 
by the honourable Member who proposed the amend- 
ment, in support of his case, or the honourable Minister 
of National Defence, in opposition to the amendment. 
This is the question of relevancy. This is a basic condi- 
tion that has to be met. 

An amendment must be within the four corners of the 
bill and relevant to the bUl. When I say an amendment 
is irrelevant to a bill I do not mean that in the pejorative 
sense, but in the sense that it is beyond the scope of 
the bill. I am just wondering whether this is not a 
weakness in the amendment. 

I suggest to the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North Centre that the amendment should not import 



into the debate a question that is irrelevant to the pur- 
pose of the bill under consideration. I submit that the 
purport or substance of the bill is limited, as stated 
in clause 1, which is the short title as foUows: "This Act 
may be cited as the Canadian National Railways Financ- 
ing and Guarantee Act, 1970." 

As I am sure the honourable Member will agree this 
is very limited. It may be that the honourable Member 
may think pensions flow from a measure to capitalize 
or finance the operations of the Canadian National Rail- 
ways, but I suggest to him the recommendation of the 
Crown relates exclusively to capital expenditures and 
to the meeting of deficiencies of the Canadian National 
Railways and Air Canada. 

While the Chair appreciates the zeal and interest of 
the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. 
Knowles) in the realm of pensions, which is of interest 
to all Members of the House, I must say to him that his 
interest and concern in that regard is not relevant to 
the bill now before the House. I do think they are dif- 
ferent. I hesitate to say this, but it seems they are two 
different points and different questions. 

While the honourable Member's amendment, as I have 
stated, appears to be opposed to the progress of the 
bill, he is merely endeavouring to attach a condition 
which, in my opinion, is not within the scope of the bill, 
or the motion for second reading thereof. In that regard 
I must draw the attention of the honourable Member 
to citation 388 of Beauchesne's fourth edition which 
reads as follows: "On the motion for the second reading 
of a Bill respecting the Canadian National Railways 
and to provide for co-operation with the Canadian 
Pacific Railway System, and for other purposes, a Mem- 
ber moved as an amendment "that the second reading of 
this Bill be postponed until this House declared that 
nothing therein shall be taken to authorize any amal- 
gamation of the Canadian National Railway with the 
Canadian Pacific Railway; or to divest Parliaiment of its 
rights; or to take from the House of Conunons its primary 
duty to control expenditures of public moneys and the 
taxes required to meet the same; and that the provi- 
sions of this Bill shall be read in the light of this 
declaration, and be construed so as tq conforih there- 
with, and that in so far as emy of its provisions may 
be inconsistent therewith they shall be amended accord- 
ingly, and that the adoption of this amendment by this 
House shall constitute the declaration of its intention 
and purposes as set fort,h herein." The Speaker ruled 
this out for the reason that, instead of being a declara- 
tion of principle, it proposed a postponement of the 
second reading pending a definite declaration of the 
House; moreover, it did not purport to disagree with 
the principle of the Bill but it dealt with its provisions 
and anticipated amendments which may be moved in 
Committee. On an appeal to the House, the Speaker's 
decisi0|i was sustained by a vote of 88 to 35. 

In essence it does seem to me that the honourable 
Member's amendment does not oppose the progress of 
the bill. What he is trying to do, I suggest, is to attach 
a condition to the motion for second reading. In that 



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regard, I would refer the honourable Member to page 
528 of May's seventeenth edition where in part it is 
stated: "...nor is it permissible to propose merely the 
addition of words to the question, that the bill be now 
read a second time, as such words must, by implication, 
attach conditions to the second reading." 

In effect, if I may so suggest, that is what the hon- 
ourable Member in reality is seeking to accomplish. I 
hesitate to reach the conclusion that the amendment 
should not be put because of the importance of the 
matter and because of the well known interest of the 
honourable Member in the subject of pensions and be- 
cause the amendment might have given the House an 
opportunity to discuss the situation which the honourable 
Member wanted to impose in the debate which is now 
before the House. 

However, I do feel there are some procedural dif- 
ficulties which the Chair cannot overlook and because 
of these procedural and technical difficulties I do not 
think I should put the honourable Member's amendment 
at this time. 



[At 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Order numbered one was allowed to stand at the re- 
quest of the government. 



By unanimous consent, the Order for second reading 
and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs of Bill C-13, An Act to 
amend the Statistics Act, was discharged and the said 
bill withdrawn. 



Orders numbered three, four, and five were allowed 
to stand at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Labour, Man- 
power and Immigration of Bill C-20, An Act to amend 
the Canada Labour (Standards) Code (Notice and Pay- 
ment to Employees in case of Discharge or Lay-off) ; 

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) , seconded by 
Mr. Skoberg, moved, — That the said biU be now read 



a second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Inmiigration. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Legault, Crossman and Thomas (Maisonneuve- 
Rosemont) for Messrs. Sulatycky, Deakon and Guay 
(St. Boniface) on the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 

Messrs. Sulatycky, Deakon and Guay (St. Boniface) 
for Messrs. Legault, Crossman and Thomas (Maison- 
neuve-Rosemont) on the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Jamieson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council,— Order in Council, P.C. 1970-2014, dated Novem- 
ber 17, 1970, made under section 5 of the Atlantic Region 
Freight Assistance Act, varying a reduction in tariffs 
under the Maritime Freight Rates Act, pursuant to sec- 
tion 5(3), chapter 52, Statutes of Canada 1968-69. (Eng- 
lish and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/283. 

By Mr. Olson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by Command of His Excellency the Governor General, — • 
Report of the Department of Agriculture for the fiscal 
year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 6 of the 
Department of Agriculture Act, chapter 66, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/6. 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 

OTTAWA, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 1970 
2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — White Paper entitled "Income 
Security for Czmadians — 1970". (English and French). — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-4/80. 



Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre) , by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-201, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Obliteration 
of motor vehicle serial numbers), which was read the 
first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4) the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for returns: 

No. 192 — Mr. Rose 

1. For the year 1970-71, which American-produced 
series are to be carried by the private network, CTV, 
and by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? 

2 . For the same year, which Canadian series are to be 
carried by the CTV network and by the Canadian Broad- 
casting Corporation? 

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3. For the same year, what series are to be carried 
by CTV and CBC during the prime viewing time of 7 
p.m. to 11 p.m.? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/192. 

No. 281 — Mr. Harding 

1 . What rivers and lakes in Canada have been banned 
for fishing due to mercury pollution and, in each case, 
for what period of time? 

2. What is the estimated loss in emplojTnent and fish- 
ing revenue due to the ban? 

3. In each case, what has been the source of the mer- 
cury pollution? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/281. 

Mr. Danson, Parliamentary Secretsiry to the Prime 
Minister, presented, — Returns to the foregoing Orders. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. Pepin, — That Bill C-186, An 
Act to authorize the provision of moneys to meet cer- 
tain capital expenditures of the Canadian National Rail- 
ways System and Air Canada for the period from the 
1st day of January, 1970, to the 30th day of June, 1971, 
and to authorize the guarantee by Her Majesty of cer- 
tain securities to be issued by the Canadian National 
Railway Company and certain debentures to be issued 



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by Air Canada, be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Transport and Com- 
munications. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Howe, seconded by Mr. Thomas (Moncton), pro- 
posed to move, — That Bill C-186, be not now read a 
second time as, in the opinion of this House, the making 
of financial guarantees or grants to the Canadian Na- 
tional Railways without the appointment of the Auditor 
General of Canada at least as a joint auditor of the 
CNR is not a principle that this House ought to support. 

By unanimous consent, the said debate was, on motion 
of Mr. Godin, adjourned. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Van- 
couver South), — That Bill C-181, An Act to provide 
temporary emergency powers for the preservation of 
public order in Canada, be now read a third time and 
do pass. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, pursuant to Special Order made this day, 
a recorded division was deferred and set down as the 
first order of Government Business in tomorrow's sit- 
ting. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That consid- 
eration of the motion for the third reading of Bill C-181, 
An Act to provide temporary emergency powers for the 
preservation of public order in Canada, be resumed at 
8.00 o'clock p.m. this day, provided that should a re- 
corded division be demanded, the taking thereof shall be 
set down as the first order of Government Business in 
tomorrow's sitting. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 
words "December 10", in section (5) of Standing Order 
58, be provisionally amended to read "December 15, 
1970," and for the purposes of section (10) of Standing 
Order 58, Tuesday, December 15, 1970, shall be the final 
allotted day of the current supply period. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 25(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Forrestall, seconded by Mr. McCleave, moved, — 
That, in the opinion of this House, the government 
should consider the development, encouragement and 
maintenance of a co-ordinated, comprehensive, and 
long-range national program for the recovery and use 
of the resources of Canada's sea-coast waters and con- 
tinental shelves; and to this end, effectively utilize the 
scientific and engineering knowledge and skills of the 
public service and government agencies and co-operate 
with private investment enterprise in the exploration, 
technological development and industrial use of the 
resources of the marine environment of Canada. — (No- 
tice of Motion No. 6). 

And debate arising thereon; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Prud'homme for Mr. Rock on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Foster for Mr. CuUen on the Standing Committee 
on Regional Development. 

Messrs. Corriveau and Langlois for Messrs. Guay (St. 
Boniface) and LeBlanc (Rimouski) on the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. Ryan and Thomas (Moncton) for Messrs. 
Paproski and Thompson (Red Deer) on the Standing 
Committee on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 



At 10.21 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Statement regarding the Consulta- 
tions in London, Brussels and Geneva, with reference to 
the enlargement of the European Economic Community. 
(English and French) . — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/60. 

By unanimous consent, the said Statement was ordered 
printed as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Ben- 
son, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-202, An Act 
to amend the Old Age Security Act, which was read the 
first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as foUows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House a measure to amend the Old Age Security 



Act to fix the amount of the old age pension at eighty 
dollars per month, effective January 1st, 1971; to in- 
crease, effective April 1st, 1971, the maximum supple- 
ment that may be paid to a pensioner; to allow a 
supplement to be paid to any pensioner without restric- 
tion as to the date of his birth; to provide for annual 
escalation of the maximum supplement that may be so 
paid in any fiscal year commencing after the fiscal year 
beginning April 1st, 1971; and to provide for other re- 
lated and consequential matters. 

Pursuant to Special Order made Monday, November 
30, 1970, the House proceeded to the taking of the de- 
ferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Turner 
( Ottawa-Car leton), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South),— That Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary 
emergency powers for the preservation of public order in 
Canada, be now read a third time and do pass. 

The said motion was agreed to on the following 
division: 



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Yeas 

Messrs. 



Alexander, 


Downey, 


Jerome, 


Marchand 


Simpson, 


Alkenbrack, 


Drury, 


Kierans, 


(Kamloops- 


Skoreyko, 


Allmand, 


Dube, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Cariboo), 


Smith 


Andras, 


Dupras, 


Haldimand), 


Monteith, 


(Saint-Jean), 


Asselin, 


Elmard, 


Korchinski, 


Moore, 


Southam, 


Badanai, 


fithier. 


Lachance, 


Morison, 


Stafford, 


Baldwin, 


Faulkner, 


Lambert 


Muir 


Stanbury, 


Barrett, 


Flemming, 


(Edmonton West), 


Miu-phy, 


Stanfield, 


Basford, 


Forest, 


Langlois, 


Nesbitt, 


Stewart 


Bechard, 


Forget, 


Laniel, 


Nielsen, 


(Marquette), 


Beer, 


ForrestaU, 


Leblanc (Laurier), 


Noel, 


St. Pierre, 


BeU, 


Foster, 


Lefebvre, 


Nowlan, 


Sulatycky, 


Benson, 


Francis, 


Legault, 


O'Connell, 


Sullivan, 


Blouin, 


Gendron, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Olson, 


Thomas 


Borrie, 


Gervais, 


Lessard 


Orange, 


fMaisonneuve- 


Boulanger, 


Gibson, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Osier, 


Rosemont), 


Breau, 


Gillespie, 


Lind, 


Otto, 


Thomas 


Brown, 


Goode, 


Loiselle, 


Ouellet, 


(Moncton), 


Caccia, 


Goyer, 


Lundrigan, 


Peddle, 


Thompson 


Cafik, 


Gray, 


MacEachen, 


Penner, 


(Red Deer), 


Carter, 


Grills, 


MacEwan, 


Pepin, 


Tolmie, 


Chappell, 


Groos, 


MacGuigan, 


Portelance, 


Trudeau, 


Chretien, 


Guay (St. Boniface), 


Mackasey, 


Prud'homme, 


Trudel, 


Clermont, 


Guay (Levis), 


MacLean, 


Reid, 


Turner 


Coates, 


Guilbault, 


Macquarrie, 


Ricard, 


(London East), 


Cobbe, 


Gundlock, 


MacRae, 


Richard, 


Turner 


Comeau, 


Haidasz, 


McBride, 


Richardson, 


(Ottawa-Carleton) 


Corbin, 


Hales, 


McCleave, 


Ritchie, 


Valade, 


Corriveau, 


Harkness, 


McCutcheon, 


Robinson, 


Wahn, 


Cote (Richelieu), 


Hees, 


Mcintosh, 


Rochon, 


Walker, 


Crouse, 


Hopkins, 


McKinley, 


Rock, 


Watson, 


CuUen, 


Horner, 


McNulty, 


Roy (Timmins), 


Weatherhead, 


Danforth, 


Howard (Okanagan 


McQuaid, 


Roy (Laval), 


Whelan, 


Danson, 


Boundary), 


Mahoney, 


Ryan, 


Whicher, 


Davis, 


Howe, 


Major, 


Rynard, 


Whiting, 


Deachman, 


Hymmen, 


Marceau, 


Schumacher, 


WooUiams, 


Deakon, 


Isabelle, 


Marchand 


Scott, 


Yanakis, 


Dinsdale, 


Jamieson, 


(Langelier), 

Nays 
Messrs. 




Yewchuk — 174. 


Aiken, 


Douglas 


Gleave, 


Laprise, 


Rodrigue, 


Barnett, 


(Nanaimo- 


Godin, 


La Salle, 


Rowland, 


Beaudoin, 


Cowichan- 


Harding, 


Lewis, 


Saltsman, 


Benjamin, 


The Islands), 


Howard (Skeena), 


MacDonald 


Tetrault, 


Brewin, 


Fairweather, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


(Egmont), 


Thomson 


Broadbent, 


Fortin, 


North Centre), 


Mather, 


(Battleford- 


Burton, 


Gauthier, 


Lambert 


Matte, 


Kindersley)— 31. 


Dionne, 


Gilbert, 


(Bellechasse), 


Nystrom, 





Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



The Order being read for the report stage of Bill 
C-177, An Act respecting cooperative associations, as 
reported (with amendments) from the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs; 



Mr. Benjamin, seconded by Mr. Harding, moved, — That 
Bill C-177, An Act respecting cooperative associations, 
be amended by deleting all the words after the word 
"and" in line 21 of paragraph (d) of clause 68, and 
substituting therefor the following: 

"the directors shall also appoint all other officers 

thereof." 



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After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

On motion of Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, the said bill, as amended, was concurred in at 
the report stage. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. 
MacEachen, moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill C-179, An Act respecting 
the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Company; 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. 
Drury, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Labour, Man- 
power and Immigration of Bill C-188, An Act to amend 
the Merchant Seamen Compensation Act and to amend 
an Act to amend the Merchant Seamen Compensation 
Act; 

Mr. Mackasey, seconded by Mr. Drury, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Labour, Manpower and Im- 
migration. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and, by unanimous consent, considered in Committee of 
the Whole, reported without amendment, concurred in 
at the report stage, read the third time and pa.ssed. 

The Order being read for the second reading and refer- 
ence to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs of Bill S-6, An Act to amend the Anti- 
dumping Act; 

Mr. Drury for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Mackasey, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Order numbered one having been called was allowed 
to stand at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and refer- 
ence to the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and 
Social Affairs of Bill C-14, An Act respecting tobacco as a 
health hazard; 

Mr. Robinson, seconded by Mr. Legault, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Drury, sec- 
onded by Mr. Benson, — That Bill S-6, An Act to amend 
the Anti-dumping Act, be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said 
motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs. 



The Order being read for the second reading and refer- 
ence to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs of Bill C-191, An Act to amend the 
Farm Improvement Loans Act, the Small Businesses 
Loans Act and the Fisheries Improvement Loans Act; 

Mr. Davis for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Basford, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House 
do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed 
pursuant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



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Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Schumacher, Danforth and Downey for Messrs. 
Stewart (Marquette), Mazankowski and Cadieu on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Sullivan for Mr. Foster on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Regional Development. 

Mr. Nielsen for Mr. WooUiams on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Foster for Mr. Stewart (Cochrane) on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Regional Development. 

Messrs. Roy (Timmins), Robinson, Guay (St. Boni- 
face), Lessard (LaSalle) and Stewart (Marquette) for 



Messrs. Yanakis, Forget, Foster, Langlois and Danforth 
on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Macquarrie for Mr. McCleave on the Standing 
Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Mr. Ethier for Mr. Whicher on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. Rynard and Monteith for Messrs. Harkness and 
Macquarrie on the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous 
Estimates. 

Mr. Hymmen for Mr. Kaplan on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



At 10.19 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 2, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the 
House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a 
certificate of the election and return of Jack Murta, 
Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Lisgar. 



CANADA 



OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 

To the Clerk of the House' oj Commons: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the 
fifth day of October, 1970, and addressed to James 
Hunter Treble, of Crystal City, in the Province of Mani- 
toba, for the election of a Member to serve in the House 
of Commons of Canada for the electoral district of Lis- 
gar, in the place and stead of George Muir, deceased, 
Jack Murta, Graysville, Manitoba, farmer, has been 
returned as elected. 

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Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this 
twenty-seventh day of November, 1970. 

J.-M. HAMEL (L.S.). 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



Mr. Jack Murta, Member for the Electoral District of 
Lisgar, having taken and subscribed the oath required 
by law took his seat in the House. 



Mr. Morison, from the Standing Committee on Re- 
gional Development, presented the First Report of the 
said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered BUI C-5, An Act to 
authorize the making of a grant to the Province of Nova 
Scotia for the purpose of providing assistance to Deu- 
terium of Canada Limited, and has agreed to report it 
without amendment. 



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A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issue No. 1) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 5 to 
the Journals). 



On motion of Mr. Chappell, seconded by Mr. Forest, 
the recommendation contained in the First Report of the 
Special Committee on Election Expenses, presented to 
the House on Thursday, November 26, 1970, was con- 
curred in. 



Mr. Dube, seconded by Mr. Benson, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-203, An Act to amend the Pen- 
sion Act and the Civilian War Pensions and Allowances 
Act, which was read the first time and ordered to be 
printed and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
6(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Pension 
Act and the Civilian War Pensions and Allowances Act; 
to provide for the payment of pensions to members of 
the Hong Kong force and other prisoners of war of the 
Japanese and to dependents of such members who died 
before the coming into force of new Part IV of the Act; 
to provide for the payment to certain members of the 
forces of an exceptional incapacity allowance of not less 
than $800 and not more than $2400 per annum; to pro- 
vide for the payment of additional pensions to members 
of the forces suffering disabilities that are a consequence 
of a disability for which they are already receiving a 
pension; to provide for the payment to pensioners in 
receipt of a pension for the loss of a paired organ or 
limb, of an additional pension for the loss of the pair of 
that organ or limb; to provide for the payment of 
additional allowances to certain members of the forces 
for wear and tear of clothing and for the purchase of 
specially made wearing apparel; to extend from 12 
months to 3 years the period for which a pension may 
be granted retroactively; to increase the additional award 
payable for delays to an amount equal to 2 years pension; 
to describe the circumstances in which an injury or 
disease or aggravation thereof is deemed to have arisen 
out of military service; to establish a Bureau of Pensions 
Advocates outside of the Department of Veterans Affairs; 
to provide further for the establishment of two new 
Boards for the hearing of appeals, namely, an Entitle- 
ment Board and the Pension Review Board and for 
new procedures for the making and hearing of applica- 
tions for awards to clarify certain provisions of the 
Pension Act; and finally to provide for other related or 
consequential matters. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4) the following three 
Questions were made Orders of the House for returns: 

No. 65 — Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) 

1 . How many retired federal civil servants are re- 
ceiving pensions, including their basic pensions and any 
supplement or supplements added thereto, of amounts 
within each of the following brackets: (a) less than 
$20.00 per month (b) $20.00 to $29.99 per month (c) 
$30.00 to $39.99 per month (d) $40.00 to $49.99 per 
month (e) $50.00 to $59.99 per month (f) $60.00 to $69.99 
per month (g) $70.00 to $79.99 per month (h) $80.00 to 
$89.99 per month (i) $90.00 to $99.99 per month (j) 
$100.00 to $149.99 per month (k) $150.00 to $199.99 per 
month (0 $200.00 to $249.99 per month (m) $250.00 to 
$299.99 per month (n) $300.00 per month and over? 

2. How many widows of civil servants or of retired 
civil servants are receiving pensions, including their 
basic pensions and any supplement or supplements added 
thereto, of amounts within each of the brackets indicated 
in the above question? 

3 . What is the number of retired civil servants and 
also the number of widows of civil servants or of retired 
civil servants presently residing in each province? 

4. In respect of how many orphans of federal civil 
servants are pensions being paid and what is the average 
amount thereof? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/65. 

No. 202 — Mr. Howard (Skeena) 

1 . Has the government taken steps to close any parts 
or divisions of the farm annex at the St. Vincent de 
Paul Penitentiary and, if so, which parts or divisions, 
by name, have been closed and for what reason? 

2. With respect to each such division for each of the 
past five years, is it considered that the operation 
thereof was profitable and, if so, what are the financicd 
statistics with respect thereto? 

3. For each of the past five years and for each of 
the commodities raised at the farm annex, to what 
extent has the cost of production been (a) above (b) 
below the market price? 

4. Within the past five years, has any stock of cans 
been scrapped or discarded and, if so (a) how mciny 
such cans were discarded (b) what was the value 
thereof (c) what were the reasons for discarding them? 

5. Within the past five years (a) were any com- 
modities transported to any place for canning and, if 
so (i) which ones (ii) in what quantities (iii) at what 
cost (b) were they transported to any place from the 
point of canning and, if so (i) where (ii) at what cost? 

6. Who did the canning referred to in part 5? 

7. Is any acreage at the farm annex lying idle and, 
if so (a) what number of acres (b) for what reason? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/202. 

No. 320 — Mr. Robinson 

1 . Does the federal government have any portable 
gasoline or oil tanks for use in the North? 



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2. What plan does the federal government have for 
storage of collapsible tanks for oil and fuel? 

3 . Will the federal government consider the feasibility 
of requiring the storage of gasoline and oil in collapsible 
storage tanks as a safety measure? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/320. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 
1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 17-20 inclusive, 29, 31, 36-41 
inclusive, 43, 44, 50, 54-56 inclusive, 62-68 inclusive, 
70-73 inclusive, 75, 76, 81, 83-88 inclusive, 90, 91, 94, 
95, 99, 103, 104, 106, 109, 110, 113, 133-136 inclusive, 
138-141 inclusive, 143, 145, 147-154 inclusive, and 156- 
158 inclusive were allowed to stand at the request of 
the government. 



having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all representations received by the Department of 
Indian Affairs and Northern Development regarding the 
revision of Canada's Oil and Gas Land Regulations in 
the Yukon and Northwest Territories. — (Notice of Mo- 
tion for the Production of Papers No. 46 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the financial statements filed by the Canadian Na- 
tional Railways in respect to the Canadian National Rail- 
ways Pension Trust Funds for the years 1935 to 1968 
inclusive. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 89 — Mr. Skoherg). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 8, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
returns submitted to the Department of Consumer and 
Corporate Affairs by Canadian financial institutions re- 
garding information on consumer loan intentions in 1970 
as requested by the Department, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
13, as follows: 

That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House copies of all correspondence, memoranda, etc., 
provided to the Department of Consumer and Corporate 
Affairs by the United States Justice Department on anti- 
combines matters related to international drug com- 
panies and the price of quinine, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honoxir- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
23, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
speech delivered to the Canadian Society for Industrial 
Security, in Toronto, by John K. Stames, Director of the 
RCMP's Security and Intelligence Branch, 
2416&— 121 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House copies of all proposed plans, together 
with descriptions and correspondence between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Province of Nova Scotia 
with respect to a National Park in the Ship Harbour area 
of Halifax Coimty. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. Ill — Mr. Forrestall) . 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare 
and Social Affairs of Bill C-202, An Act to amend the 
Old Age Security Act; 

Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South) , 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Health, Wel- 
fare and Social Affairs. 



And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Murta, Whicher and Douglas (Assiniboia) for 
Messrs. Ritchie, Roy (Timmins) and Robinson on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Laprise for Mr. Fortin on the Special Joint Com- 
mittee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Yanakis for Mr. fethier, on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Agriculture. 



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Mr. Deakon for Mr. Duquet on the Special Committee Mr. Morison for Mr. Cafik on the Standing Commit- 

on Environmental Pollution. tee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Messrs. fithier, Harkness and Peddle for Messrs. Goode, 

Monteith and Rynard on the Standing Committee on 

Miscellaneous Estimates. Ai«A-.,ni -n/ro i j- jiuti 

At 6.01 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 

Mr. Sulatycky for Mr. Lessard (LaSalle) on the Stand- until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Conamittee on Agriculture. ing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following 
letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

3rd December, 1970. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Right Honour- 
able Gerald Fauteux, P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, in his 
capacity as Deputy Governor General will proceed to the 
Senate Chamber today, December 3, at 5.45 p.m. for the 
purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be. 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

LOUIS-FREMONT TRUDEAU 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable 
The Speaker of the House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 



Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Lewis, pursuant to Standing Order 43, moved, — That 
this House gives consent to the President of the Treasury 
Board to withdraw from the Order Paper Government 
Order Numbered 38, namely the Order for the second 
reading of Bill C-190, An Act respecting the Auditor 
General of Canada. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Drury, withdrew 
the said Bill from the Order Paper. 



Mr. Saltsman, seconded by Mr. Mather, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-204, An Act to establish a Can- 
ada Development Corporation, which was read the first 
time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



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The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Munro, 
seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), — That Bill 
C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Commit- 
tee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 



And debate continuing; 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to 
'Motions". 



And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that when the House did attend 
the Right Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the 
Governor General in the Senate Chamber, the Right Hon- 
ourable the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the 
Royal Assent to the following Bills: 
An Act respecting the Federal Court of Canada 
An Act to provide temporary emergency powers for the 
preservation of public order in Canada. 



And after some time; 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Munro, sec- 
onded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), — That BiU 
C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Commit- 
tee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

After further debate, on motion of Mr. Peters, seconded 
by Mr. Gilbert, the said debate was adjourned. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Item numbered twenty-four was allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 

Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That 
an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the Report 
of the findings of the survey team which under the direc- 
tion of Dr. H. C. Rowsell, inspected university research 
laboratories across the country earlier this year and made 
an assessment of the conditions surrounding the use of 
animals for experimental purposes. (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 60). 

And debate arising thereon; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this 
House that the Senate had passed the following bills, 
without any amendment: 

Bill C-172, An Act respecting the Federal Court of 
Canada. 

Bill C-181, An Act to provide temporary emergency 
powers for the preservation of public order in Canada. 



A Message was received from the Right Honourable 
Gerald Fauteux, P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General desiring 
the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate 
Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker went vnih the House to the 
Senate Chamber; 



At 8.00 o'clock p.m. the Order being read for the con- 
sideration of a Ways and Means motion; 

Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. McEachen, moved, — That 
this House approves in general the budgetary policy of 
the Government. 

Mr. Benson, laid upon the Table, — (1) Notice of Ways 
and Means Motion to amend the Income Tax Act. — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-1/314. 

(2) Notice of Ways and Means Motion^The Income Tax 
Act. — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/314A. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, on 
motion of Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West), seconded by 
Mr. Bell, adjourned. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Kaplan for Mr. Howard (Okanagan Boundary) 
on the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Thomas (Maisonneuve-Rosemont) for Mr. Caccia 
on the Standing Committee on Labour, Manpower and 
Immigration. 

Messrs. Homer and. Marshall for Messrs. Harkness and 
Gundlock on the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous 
Estimates. 

Mr. Howe for Mr. Knowles (Norfolk-Haldimand) on 
the Special Committee on Envirormiental Pollution. 

Mr. Penner for Mr. CuUen on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Procedure and Organization. 

Messrs. Howard (Okanagan Boundary) and Cafik for 
Messrs. Morison and Hymmen on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Goode for Mr. Breau on the Standing Committee 
on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Mr. Knowles (Norfolk-Haldimand) for Mr. Howe on 
the Special Committee on Environmental Pollution. 

Messrs. Gundlock and Ryan for Messrs. McQusdd and 
Nielsen on the Special Joint Committee on the Constitu- 
tion of Canada. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Octo- 
ber 7, 1970 {Question No. 1,986), showing: 

1 . How many members of the Public Service of Can- 
ada or members of Crown corporations or members of 
government commissions received in expenses under the 
Travel and Removal Expenses classification an amount 
in the fiscal year 1969-70 in excess of $2,000.00? 

2 . In each instance, what was the name of the person, 
his or her position, and the nature of his or her work? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/1,986. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of the Report on the 
Investigation into the Tow-Boat Industry in British 
Columbia conducted in 1969. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 406). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/406. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 18, 1970, for copies of all correspondence 
dating from June 25, 1968, between the Prime Minister, 
the Minister of National Defence, the Minister of Regional 
Economic Expansion and all persons, including Members 
of Parliament, writing with respect to the possible closure 
of the Canadian Forces Base, Portage la Prairie. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 93). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-3/93. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 18, 1970, for copies of two reports under- 
taken in the Department of National Health and Welfare 
entitled "Sulphate and Sulphuric Acid Levels in Windsor 
Air" and "The Calcium to Sulphate Ratio in Windsor 
Air". — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 142). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/142. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 18, 1970, for a copy of all mail contracts 
awarded in the federal constituency of Lotbiniere with 
an indication of (a) the tenderers (b) the expiry date 
(c) the amount of each. — (Wotice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 144). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/144. 



By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 18, 1970, for copies of all non-classified 
documents in possession of the National Research Coun- 
cil and/or the Department of Energy, Mines and Re- 
sources, whether or not originated by these Departments, 
dealing with the pollutant emissions of leaded and non- 
leaded gasolines. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 146). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/146. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated P^ovember 25, 1970, for copies of all correspondence, 
etc., between Bell Canada and the Department of Com- 
munications regarding cable television installation charges 
by Bell Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 25). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/25. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 25, 1970, for copies of all representations 
made to the Department of Transport regarding the pro- 
posed new federal Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations, in- 
cluding regulations for snowmobiles. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 92). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-3/92. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 25, 1970, for copies of all reports, 
memoranda, speeches, etc., presented or circulated at a 
meeting in St. Jovite, Quebec, undertaken by Information 
Canada in October, 1970. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 155). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/155. 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Roosevelt Campobello International 
Park Commission for the year ended December 31, 1969, 
including its Financial Statements certified by the Audi- 
tor General for the year ended December 31, 1969, pur- 
suant to section 7 of the Roosevelt Campobello Interna- 
tional Park Commission Act, chapter 19, Statutes of 
Canada, 1964-65. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/229. 



At 9.17 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. MacEachen, sec- 
onded by Mr. Benson, the House adjourned until tomor- 
row at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 4, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
delivered a Message from His Excellency the Governor 
General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as follows: 

ROLAND MICHENER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Com- 
mons Supplementary Estimates (B) of sums required 
for the service of Canada for the year ending on the 
31st March, 1971, and, in accordance with the provisions 
of "The British North America Act, 1867" the Governor 
General recommends these Estimates to the House of 
Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



The said Supplementary Estimates (B), 
recorded as Sessional Paper No. 283-1/132A. 



1970-71, 



Pursuant to Standing Order 59, on motion of Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, seconded by Mr. Benson it was ordered, — That 



the Supplementary Estimates Tabled this day be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates. 

Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the First Report 
of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered BiU C-3, An Act 
respecting investment companies, and has agreed to 
report it with the following amendments: 

Clause 2 

(a) Strike out lines 45 to 47, both inclusive, on page 2, 
and substitute the following therefor: 

'Act or the Co-operative Credit Associations Act applies 
or to a loan company within the meaning of the Loan 
Companies Act;' 
and 

(b) Strike out line 44 on page 3 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'(c) a company that is engaged in' 



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Clause 3 

(a) Strike out line 4 on page 5 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'from the application of the provisions of this Act, 
other than the provisions set out in sections 10 to 
15, to any in-' 
and 

(b) Strike out line 9 on page 5 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

•principal business carried on by it,' 
and 

(c) Strike out line 15 on paige 5 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'section (3) of section 2, or 

(c) having regard to any one or more of the following 

factors, namely: 

(i) the persons to whom the company is indebted 
in respect of money borrowed by it, 
(ii) the amount of the indebtedness of the company 
in respect of money borrowed by it, 
(iii) the nature of any security given by the com- 
pany in respect of money borrowed by it, and 
(iv) the extent of the integration of the company's 
activities with the activities of its subsidiaries, if any, 
and with the activities of any corporation of which 
it is a subsidiary and any other subsidiaries of that 
corporation, 

and having regard to the purposes of this Act, it is not 
necessary in the public interest that this Act apply to 
the company,' 

Clause 5 

Strike out line 15 on page 8 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

'prior to or within seven days after the borrowing 

of any money on the se-' 

Clause 9 

(a) Add immediately after line 26 on page 11 the 
following subclause: 

"(3) No investment company shall knowingly enter 
into any contract or other Eirrangement that results 
in its being directly or contingently liable in respect 
of any investment by way of a loan to or other invest- 
ment in a person or a corporation to whom it is by 
this section prohibited from making a loan or in which 
it is so prohibited from making any other investment, 
and for the purposes of subsection (5), any such con- 
tract or other arrangement shall be deemed to be an 
investment." 
and 

(b) Renumber subclauses (3) to (11) as subclauses 
(4) to (12) respectively. 

and 

(c) Strike out line 13 on page 13 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'Minister under subsection (5) may contain' 



and 

(d) Strike out line 3 on page 14 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'(9) Notwithstanding subsection (8), an' 
and 

(e) Strike out line 8 on page 15 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'(12) For the purposes of subsection (11),' 

Clause 15 

Strike out Clause 15 on page 25 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"15. No sale or disposal of the whole or jiny part 
of the undertaking of a sales finance company to or in 
respect of which sections 11 to 13 apply is of any 
effect unless and until it has been approved by the 
Minister if the sale or disposal would, in the opinion 
of the Minister, be likely to result directly or indirectly 
in the acquisition of the whole or any part of the 
undertaking of the company by a non-resident." 

Clause 28 

(a) Strike out line 41 on page 36 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'beginning of each fiscal year, commencing with the 
fiscal year that begins on April 1, 1973, by reference' 
and 

(b) Strike out lines 15 and 16 on page 37 and sub- 
stitute the following therefor: 

'statement for its fiscal year that ended within' 
and 

(c) Strike out lines 41 and 42 on page 37 jmd substi- 
tute the following therefor: 

'investment companies ending within such fiscal' 

Clause 32 

Delete the word 'proper' in line 16, page 40 and also 
the word 'convenable' in line 17 of the French version. 

Clause 37 

(a) Strike out lines 1 to 27 on page 42 and substitute 
the following therefor: 

"(2) Every director, officer, employee or auditor of 

an investment company who 

(a) wilfully makes any false or deceptive statement 
in any account, statement, return, report or other 
document respecting the affairs of the company, 

(b) uses any false or deceptive statement in any 
account, statement, return, report or other document 
respecting the affairs of the company, with intent 
to deceive or mislead any person, or 

(c) refuses or wilfully neglects to make any proper 
entry in the books of the company 

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a fine 
not exceeding five thousand dollars or to imprison- 
ment for a term not exceeding five years or to both. 

(3) Every director, officer, employee or auditor of 
an investment company who negligently prepares, 



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signs, approves or concurs in any account, statement, 
return, report or other document respecting the affairs 
of the company containing any false or deceptive state- 
ment is liable on summciry conviction to a fine not 
exceeding five thousand doUars." 

and 

(b) Insert after the word 'who' in line 28, on page 
42, the words, 'wilfully or negligently'; and in line 33 
on page 42, after the word 'or', insert the words, 'wilfuUy 
or negligently'. 

The Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-3, as 
amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issues Nos. 1 to 7 inclusive) is 
tabled. 



{The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 6 
to the Journals) . 



development incentive and to establish its maximum; 
also to establish the maximum combined development 
incentive that may be authorized and to delete the 
alternative maximum that is at present set out in 
paragraph (b) of subsection (3) of section 5 of the 
Act; to extend to eighteen months the twelve month 
period provided in section 11 of the Act where a region 
ceases to be designated; to provide for a loan guarantee 
in certain cases and under certain conditions to a person 
who estabhshes a new facility or expands or modernizes 
an existing facility or to a person who establishes a 
new commercial facility of a prescribed nature; and to 
provide further for other related or consequential matters. 



The House resumed the adjoiuTied debate on the mo- 
tion of Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver 
South), — That Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age 
Security Act, be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and 
Social Affairs. 



And debate continuing; 



Mr. Deachman, from the Standing Committee on Pro- 
cedure and Organization, presented the First Report of 
the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Wednesday, 
October 28, 1970, your Committee recommends that it 
be granted permission to travel outside of Canada, 
namely to New York City, U.S.A., from Sunday, Decem- 
ber 13 to Tuesday, December 15, 1970, to visit the 
United Nations for the purpose of studying the installa- 
tions there for radio and television broadcasting and the 
arrangements made for reporters of the electronic media 
and related questions and that the Clerk of the Commit- 
tee and the Chief of the Research Branch of the Library 
of Parliament do accompany the Committee. 



Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of a Report entitled "The 
Book Publishing and Manufacturing Industry in Canada", 
dated October, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-4/32. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Mar- 
chand (Langelier), seconded by Mr. Benson, introduced 
Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional Development 
Incentives Act, which was read the first time and ordered 
to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing BUI is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to amend the Re- 
gional Development Incentives Act to authorize provi- 
sion of a third class of incentive, namely, a special 



lAt 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Bu.siness was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)3 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Latulippe, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to the 
advisability of amending the present Family Allowance 
Act to the advantage of all children in Canada less than 
16 years old, to provide for increases to an amount of 
at least one dollar per day, increases which are absolutely 
necessary to justify adequate support to parents who still 
consent to prepare for our Country the future generation 
of workers and, if necessary, of soldiers capable of de- 
fending it when needed. In addition, the House should 
study the means of earmarking the necessary amounts 
for payment of these family allowances from the national 
production of goods in order not to increase Personal or 
Corporation Income Taxes, or the cost of living, or the 
cost of any goods or service, for this purpose, which is 
perfectly possible, easy and to the advantage of all the 
citizens of Canada, as well as very profitable for the 
whole general economy of all the Nation. — (Notice of 
Motion No. 7.) 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 



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Mr. Noel for Mr. Breau on the Special Committee on 
Election Expenses. 

Mr. Dupras for Mr. Reid on the Standing Committee 
on Public Accounts. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Decem- 
ber 2, 1970, for a copy of the financial statements filed 
by the Canadian National Railways in respect to the 



Canadian National Railways Pension Trust Funds for the 
years 1935 to 1968 inclusive. — {l^otice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 89). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/89. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Retium to an Address, dated 
December 2, 1970, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for copies of all proposed plans, together with descrii>- 
tions and correspondence between the Government of 
Canada and the Province of Nova Scotia with respect to 
a National Park in the Ship Harbour area of Halifax 
County. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 111).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/111. 



At 5.01 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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2,00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Report of the Royal 
Commission on the Status of Women in Canada, dated 
September 28, 1970, (Chairman — Mrs. Florence Bird). 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-4/104. 



Mr. Rowland, seconded by Mr. Thomson (Battleford- 
Kindersley), by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-206, 
An Act to amend the British North America Acts, 1867 
to 1965 (Duration of House of Commons), which was 
read the first time and ordered to be printed and or- 
dered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Ouellet, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary 
of State for External Affairs, laid upon the Table, — Copies 
of a Note, dated November 6, 1970, and an Aide-Mem- 
oire, dated July 13, 1970, delivered by the Canadian Am- 
bassador at Washington to the Government of the United 
States, with respect to trade policies. (EngUsh and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/134. 



On motion of Mr. Deachman, seconded by Mr. Guay 
(St. Boniface), the First Report of the Standing Com- 
mittee on Procedure and Organization, presented to the 
House on Friday, December 4, 1970, was concurred in. 



The Honourable Member for Peace River (Mr. Bald- 
win) having sought leave to introduce a bUl intituled: 
"An Act respecting the Auditor General of Canada". 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The honourable Member (Mr. Baldwin) 
will suspect that the Chair has serious reservations 
about the bill in respect, of course, to its financial 
aspects. The honourable Member knows that a bill which 
has financial aspects has to be preceded by a Royal 
Recommendation. The honourable Member very imagi- 



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natively seized upon the Recommendation which had been 
received in respect to a bill which was before the House 
and has been withdrawn. The honourable Member ap- 
parently considered that the recommendation was still 
floating around. He seized upon it and decided to apply 
it to his own bill. The honourable Member realizes that 
he has to convince the Chair that His Excellency actually 
communicated with the honourable Member for Peace 
River, advising him that he supported his bill and was 
recommending it for the consideration of the House. 

I have not been in touch with His Excellency to con- 
firm this, but I would like the reassurance of the hon- 
ourable Member that His Excellency has actually recom- 
mended this bill and not another bill which was before 
the House previously. 

If there is no further discussion on the matter I am 
quite prepared to give a ruling at this time. I have 
given serious thouglit to the matter in that the hon- 
ourable Member indicated a few days ago this bill 
would be introduced. As I said, I have given serious 
consideration to the procedural aspects of the honourable 
Member's proposed bill and I am prepared now to give 
my views on the situation. 

I have to recognize that the argument proposed by the 
honourable Member for Peace River and the gallant sup- 
port he has received from the honourable Member for 
Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) is interesting 
but, I suggest, nothing more. I cannot in any way 
agree with the honourable Member for Peace River. 
Again I say that he has to receive some kind of com- 
mendation from the Chair and those interested in pro- 
cedure for the argument which he has submitted for 
the consideration of the Chair and all honourable Mem- 
bers, but I would not think honourable Members would 
expect the Chair to accept those arguments. They point 
again to the difficulty relating to Private Members' BiUs. 
I fully appreciate this. I gather there have been dis- 
cussions between representatives of the parties and that 
there is an intention to have the whole question of pri- 
vate Members' Public Bills referred to the Committee 
on Procedure and Organization. This would include the 
bill of the honourable Member for Peace River, apart 
from this one, which is on the Order Paper and which 
will bring the whole matter to the fore. It will then be 
possible for the Committee on Procedure and Organiza- 
tion to make recommendations to the House in respect 
of the handling of Public Bills introduced by Private 
Members. 

The difficulty of course is that no honourable Member, 
including a member of the Cabinet, can introduce a 
Public Bill which implies the expenditure of public 
funds without a recommendation of His Excellency. This 
appUes not only to Private Members but to members of 
the government. They cannot introduce such a bill with- 
out the recommendation of His Excellency. 

In the case of the Auditor General's bill such a recom- 
mendation was required. The bill was introduced to 
the House with the recommendation. It is of course a 
very novel approach to say that that bill having been 



withdrawn the recommendation is still available for 
anyone who desires to introduce a bill which might be 
called the same thing but which provides for something 
different. The honourable Member I am sure would be 
the first to admit that his bill is not on all fours with the 
one which was presented by the government. Having 
admitted that himself, at this moment he has put him- 
self out of court because it is a different bill. His Ex- 
cellency recommended a bill which was different. He 
looked at that bill and said to us, "I have seen the 
bill and recommend it to the House", and it is that bill 
he recommended. That bill having been withdrawn I 
do not think it is necessary for His Excellency to com- 
municate with us and ask us to return the recommenda- 
tion. 

The honourable Member cannot deal with a bill once 
it has been withdrawn. There is no recommendation for 
the honourable Member to seize upon and attach some- 
what artificially to his own bill. This having been said 
I would say I cannot accept the honourable Member's 
suggestion and I have to tell him that his bill cannot 
be read a first time at this time or at any time. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the 
motion of Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — 
That this House approves in general the budgetary policy 
of the Government. 

And debate continuing; 



Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West), seconded by Mr. Mon- 
teith, moved in amendment thereto, — That the motion 
be amended by deleting all the words after "That" and 
substituting therefor: 

"this House deplores the abysmal failure of the gov- 
ernment to make any budgetary proposals to effec- 
tively stimulate the Canadian economy with a view to 
an early substantial reduction of high winter unem- 
ployment and to alleviate the economic plight of pen- 
sioners and other Canadians in receipt of incomes 
below the poverty level, as described by the Economic 
Council of Canada." 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Saltsman, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved in amendment to the said pro- 
posed amendment: 

That the amendment be amended by changing the 
period at the end thereof to a comma, and by adding 
immediately thereafter the following words: 

"and this House deplores in particular the failure of 
the Government to alleviate the plight of those in 
receipt of inadequate incomes by providing that no 
income tax shall be paid by single persons earning 
$2,000 a year or less, or by married persons earning 
$4,000 a year or less, and also by providing tax relief 
for those in the middle income brackets." 

And debate arising thereon; 



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(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Messrs. Pringle and LeBlanc (Rimouski) for Messrs. 
Whelan and Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo) on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Harkness for Mr. Downey on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Deachman for Mr. Reid on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 



At 10.24 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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PRAYERS 



Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the 
Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, Decem- 
ber 1, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-179, 
An Act respecting the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public 
Bridge Company, and has agreed to report it without 
amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issue No. 8) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 7 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the Third 
Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 



Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, Decem- 
ber 1, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill S-6, 
An Act to amend the Anti-dumping Act, and has agreed 
to report it with the following amendment: 

Clause 3 

Strike out lines 13 and 14 of section 16a in Clause 3, 
on page 2 and substitute the following therefor: 

"to the importation of goods into Canada that may 

cause or threaten injury to the production of any 

goods in Canada that the" 

The Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill S-6, as 
amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issue No. 8) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 8 
to the Journals). 



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Mr. Beer, from the Standing Committee on Agricul- 
ture, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, 
November 3, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill 
C-175, An Act respecting grain, and has agreed to report 
it with the following amendments: 

Clause 11 

Strike out lines 33 to 40, both inclusive, on page 12, 

and substitute the following therefor: 

'shall, in the interests of the grain producers, 
establish and maintain standards of quality for Cana- 
dian grain and regulate grain handling in Canada, to 
ensure a dependable commodity for domestic and ex- 
port markets.' 

Clause 12 

In paragraph (d), strike out line 18 on page 13, and 
substitute the following therefor: 

'elevator other than a primary elevator constructed 

or acquired by Her' 

Clause 15 

Add, immediately after subclause (6) on page 15, the 

following new subclause: 

"(7) Any variation in a grade of grain to be made 
by an order under subsection (2) shall, where possible, 
consistent with increasing the acceptance of Canadian 
grain in export and domestic markets, be made so as 
to prevent or minimize any reduction in the value of 
existing grain of the grade to be so varied." 

Clause 30 

In subclause (1), strike out line 18 on page 24, and 
substitute the following therefor: 

'inspector in respect of any char-' 

Clause 38 

Add, immediately after subclause (2) on page 29, the 
following new subclause: 

"(3) The Commission shall not, pursuant to section 

36 or this section, require an applicant for a Licence 

or a licensee to give security by insurance against acts 

of God or the Queen's enemies." 

The Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-175, 
as amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 

relating to Bill C-196 (Issues Nos. 32 to 45 inclusive of 

■ the previous Session) is returned and a copy of the 

Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to Bill 

C-175 (Issues Nos. 2 to 6 inclusive) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 9 to 
the Journals). 



Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copy of Order in Council P.C. 
1970-2047, dated November 26, 1970, made under the 
Public Service Rearrangement and Transfer of Duties 
Act. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/75. 



Mr. Isabelle, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister 
of National Health and "Welfare, laid upon the Table, — 
Copies of the Report of the Special Committee appointed 
by the Minister of National Health and Welfare to advise 
the Food and Drug Directorate on all aspects of the 
safety and efficacy of oral contraceptives marketed in 
Canada — October, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-7/12. 



On motion Mr. Beer, seconded by Mr. Roy (Laval), 
the First Report of the Standing Committee on Agri- 
culture, presented to the House on Thursday, November 
26, 1970, was concurred in. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That this House 
approves in general the budgetary policy of the Gov- 
ernment. 

And on the motion of Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West), 
seconded by Mr. Monteith, in amendment thereto, — That 
the motion be amended by deleting all the words after 
"That" and substituting therefor: 

"this House deplores the abysmal failure of the gov- 
ernment to make any budgetary proposals to effec- 
tively stimulate the Canadian economy with a view to 
an early substantial reduction of high winter unem- 
ployment and to alleviate the economic plight of pen- 
sioners and other Canadians in receipt of incomes 
below the poverty level, as described by the Economic 
Council of Canada." 

And on the motion of Mr. Saltsman, seconded by Mr. 
Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), in amendment to the 
said proposed amendment: 

That the amendment be amended by changing the 
period at the end thereof to a comma, and by adding 
immediately thereafter the following words: 

"and this House deplores in particular the failure of 
the Government to alleviate the plight of those in 
feceipt of inadequate incomes by providing that no 
income tax shall be paid by single persons earning 
$2,000 a year or less, or by married persons earning 
$4,000 a year or less, and also by providing tax relief 
for those in the middle income brackets." 

And debate continuing; 

At 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the de- 
bate pursuant to Standing Order 60(6) and the question 
being put on the said proposed amendment to the amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 



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Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, • 

Beaudoin, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Bigg, 

Broadbent, 

Burton, 

Cadieu, 

Carter, 

Comeau, 

Crouse, 

Dionne, 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 



Anderson, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Brown, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Cantin, 

ChappeU, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Corriveau, 

Cote (Richelieu), 

Cote (LongueuiD, 

Crossman, 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 



Downey, 

Flemming, 

Forrestall, 

Gauthier, 

Gilbert, 

Gleave, 

Godin, 

GriUs, 

Hales, 

Harding, 

Harkness, 

Hees, 

Howe, 

Knowles CWinnipeg 

North Centre), 
Korchinski, 



Danson, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 

Deakon, 

De Ban§, 

Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dupras, 
Emard, 
ifcthier. 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gillespie, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 
Groos, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guay (L6vis), 
Guilbault, 
Hopkins, 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
La Salle, 
Lundrigan, 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis (Cape 

Breton-East 

Richmond), 
Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 
McGrath, 
Mcintosh, 
McKinley, 

Nays 
Messrs. 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Laflamme, 
Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint- Jean), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 
MacEachen, 
Mackasey, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 



Marshall, 

Mather, 

Matte, 

Monteith, 

Muir, 

Murta, 

Nesbitt, 

Nystrom, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Rose, 

Saltsman, 



Major, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Munro, 
Murphy, 
Noel, 

O'Connell, 
Otto, 
Pelletier, 
Pepin, 
Perrault, 
Portelance, 
Pringle, 
Richard, 
Richardson, 
Roberts, 
Rochon, 
Rock, 

Roy (Timmins), 
Roy (Laval), 
Serre, 
Sharp, 

Smerchanski, 
Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 



Scott, 

Simpson, 

Skoberg, 

Southcim, 

Stanfield, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Valade, 
Woolliams, 
Yewchuk — 71. 



Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 

Stewart (Cochrane), 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
Yanakis — 112. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Dsinforth and Ritchie for Messrs. Homer and 
Stewart (Marquette) on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 

Mr. Caccia for Mr. Goode on the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 



Messrs. Woolliams, Bigg, Hees and Deachman for 
Messrs. Mazankowski, Noble, Flemming and Cullen on 
the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 

Messrs. Caccia and Dupras for Messrs. Goode and Rob- 
inson on the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous 
Estimates. 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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PRAYERS 



Mr. Leblanc (Laurier), from the Standing Committee mentary Estimates (B) 1970-71 and commends them to 
on Miscellaneous Estimates, presented the First Report the House. 



of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, 
November 17, 1970, your Committee has considered the 
Supplementary Estimates (A) 1970-71 and commends 
them to the House. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issues Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8) is tabled. 



A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issue No. 8) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 11 
to the Journals). 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 10 
to the Journals). 



Mr. Leblanc (Laurier), from the Standing Committee 
on Miscellaneous Estimates, presented the Second Report 
of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Friday, Decem- 
ber 4, 1970, your Committee has considered the Supple- 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Final Communique 
issued following the Ministerial Session of the North 
Atlantic Treaty Council, held at Brussels, December 3 
and 4, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-6/21. 



Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave 
of the House, introduced BiU C-207, An Act respecting 
the organization of the Government of Canada and mat- 



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ters related or incidental thereto, which was read the 
first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a 
second reading and reference to a Committee of the 
Whole at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting the or- 
ganization of the Government of Canada and matters 
related or incidental thereto; to establish a Department 
of the Environment; to delineate certain duties of the 
Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources and to dis- 
tinguish between his duties and those assigned to the 
Minister of the Environment; to place responsibility for 
astronomical observatories in the National Research 
Council; to provide for Ministries and Ministers of State 
and to provide for the salaries of certain Ministers of 
State; to increase the number of Parliamentary Secre- 
taries from sixteen to a number equal to the number of 
Ministers who hold offices listed in section 4 of the 
Salaries Act; to provide for the appointment of a Post- 
master General and for his salary; to provide for im- 
proved early retirement benefits for certain categories 
of persons employed in the Public Service and to enable 
a former deputy head to elect to continue to make con- 
tributions under the Public Service Superannuation Act 
after he ceases to be actively employed in the Public 
Service; and to provide further for a number of con- 
sequential amendments described in Schedule B of the 
measure. 



Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), seconded by Mr. Forget, by 
leave of the House, introduced Bill C-208, An Act to 
amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Ques- 
tion was made an Order of the House for Return: 

No. 159 — Mr. Macquarrie 

1. What is the estimated launching date for the do- 
mestic satellite ANIK? 

2. What is the estimated total cost of (a) construction 
of satellite (b) launching (c) construction of ground sta- 
tions (d) other items essential to the provision of service 
as provided for in the legislation establishing Telesat 
Canada? 

3. When is it intended to commence construction of 
ground receiving stations and, where are these to be 
located? 

4. Will tenders be called and, if so, when and by 
whom? 

5. What steps has the Government of Canada taken 
to obtain international agreement to obtaining a "park- 
ing space" for its domestic satellite? 



6. What is the estimate of the Government of Canada 
as to time necessary to develop a system of direct broad- 
cast satellites for the benefit of the people of Canada? 

7. What is the projected cost to the Canadian Broad- 
casting Corporation for its role in domestic satellite 
system? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/159. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Return to the fore- 
going Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 
1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 17-19 inclusive, 29, 37, 39, 41, 
43, 44, 54, 63, 65-68 inclusive, 70, 73, 75, 76, 81, 83-88 
inclusive, 90, 91, 94, 95, 99, 106, 109, 110, 133-136 inclusive, 
138, 140, 141, 143, 145, 147-154 inclusive, and 156 to 166 
inclusive were allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the study by H. C. Pentland, Winnipeg, undertaken for 
the Department of Manpower and Immigration regarding 
the "Evaluation report on the activities of the Joint 
Consultative Committee, Manitoba Rolling Mills, Selkirk, 
Manitoba". — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 20 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 31, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study by Summerour and Associates Inc., Atlanta, 
Georgia, undertaken for the Department of Manpower 
and Immigration regarding the "Analysis of the Man- 
power Utilization of the Manitoba Garment Industry", 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles), for 
the honourable Member for Winnipeg North (Mr. 
Orlikow), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 36, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study by Reginald J. Roy, Montreal, undertaken for the 
Department of Manpower and Immigration regarding the 
"Analysis of operational reports and courses for the 
Occupational Training of Adults Program", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



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Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 40, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study by David Williamson, Ottawa, undertaken for the 
Department of Manpower and Immigration regarding 
the "Analysis to determine skill digit levels for all of 
the occupations listed in the Occupational Demand 
Guide", 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 50, 
as follows: 

That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House a copy of the wheat contract between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Government of the USSR 
signed on June 20, 1966, on the sale of 336 million bush- 
els of Canadian wheat to the USSR, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No 55, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
plan of the special task force to study the question of 
summer jobs for students as stated by the Minister of 
Mcinpower and Immigration in his address to the Cana- 
dian Vocational Association on May 23, 1969, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Oshawa-Whitby (Mr. Broadbent), trans- 
ferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of Motions 
(Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the study on the Department of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce trade promotion policies showing a 12:1 cost- 
sales ratio as stated by Mr. P. Schutte, Chief of the 
Trade Fairs Abroad Division of the Department. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 56 — Mr. 
Broadbent). 



having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 64, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
feasibility study on marginal dairy farming undertaken 
for the Department of Regional Economic Expansion in 
the fiscal year 1967-68, as mentioned in answer to Ques- 
tion Number 1,323 of the 1st Session of this Parliament 
excluding confidential references to individuals or indi- 
vidual firms, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 71, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
consultant report by the Economist Intelligent Unit on 
guidance and assessment of the Canadian textile in- 
dustry, undertaken for the Department of Industry, 
Trade and Commerce in the fiscal year 1966-67, 
as mentioned in answer to Question Number 1,323 of 
the 1st Session of this Parliament, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 72, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
consultant report by Gherzi Textile Organization on the 
Canadian textile industry undertaken for the Depart- 
ment of Industry, Trade and Commerce in the fiscal year 
1966-67, as mentioned in answer to Question Number 
1,323 of the 1st Session of this Parliament, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 62, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
consultant report by Canadian Facts Company Limited, 
on a pubUc opinion survey undertaken for the Depart- 
ment of Labour in the fiscal year 1968-69, as mentioned 
in answer to Question Number 1,323 of the 1st Session 
of this Parliament, 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 103, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
memoranda, studies, reports, correspondence, etc., pre- 
pared by the officials in the Privy Council Office regard- 
ing the establishment of Information Canada and related 
matters thereto, 



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having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 139, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the study on textiles as reported in the Annual Report 
of the Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce, 
April 1, 1967-March 31, 1968, on pages 51-52, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Munro, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), — That 
Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, 
be now read a second time and referred to the Standing 
Committee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

And debate continuing; 



Messrs. McCleave and Macquarrie for Messrs. McCut- 
cheon and Aiken on the Standing Committee on Proce- 
dure and Organization. 



Changes in Committee Mem,hership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Peters for Mr. Lewis on the Standing Committee 
on External Affairs and National Defence. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coim- 
cil, — Report of the President and Statement of Accounts, 
certified by the Auditors, of the Industrial Development 
Bank for the year ended September 30, 1970, pursuant 
to section 29(4) of the Industrial Development Bank 
Act, chapter 151, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/162. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of Wednesday, 
December 9, 1970, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/344. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated December 9, 1970, for f copy of the study on the 
Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce trade 
promotion policies showing a 12:1 cost-sales ratio as 
stated by Mr. P. Schutte, Chief of the Trade Fairs 
Abroad Division of the Department. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 56). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-3/56. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed the following 
bill to which the concurrence of this House is desired: 

Bill S-8, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. — Mr. 
Coates. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 67(1) the honourable 
Member for Cape Breton-East Richmond (Mr. Mac- 
Innis), from his place in the House, presented a petition 
from residents of the Island of Cape Breton and the 
Province of Nova Scotia with respect to pension ar- 
remgements under the Cape Breton Development Corpo- 
ration Act. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Munro, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), — That 
Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, 
be now read a second time and referred to the Standing 
Committee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

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Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, 
on division, and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to the Standing Committee on Regional Develop- 
ment of Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional De- 
velopment Incentives Act; 

Mr. Marchand (Langelier), seconded by Mr. Munro, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Regional 
Development. 

And debate arising thereon; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)1 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)} 

Item numbered twenty-four was allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



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Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That 
an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the study 
undertaken by Le Centre de Planification Familiale, 
Montreal, in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded by the De- 
partment of National Health and Welfare on "Projet de 
recherche aupres du milieu defavorise urbain Qu^becois". 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
114). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Marchand 
(Langelier), seconded by Mr. Munro, — That Bill C-205, 
An Act to amend the Regional Development Incentives 
Act be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Regional Development. 



Mr. Peters for Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) 
on the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organiza- 
tion. 

Mr. Cullen for Mr. Deachman on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 

Messrs. Murphy, Kaplan, Whicher and McCutcheon 
for Messrs. Trudel, Cullen, Weatherhead and Alken- 
brack on the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Foster for Mr. Robinson on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Messrs. LeBlanc (Rimouski) and Crossman for Messrs. 
Emard and Rochon on the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Smith (Saint-Jean) for Mr. Roy (Laval) on the 
Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs. 



And debate continuing; 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. March*' id, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report <. the Operation of the Regional De- 
velopment IncentiVfcs Act for the period November 1 
to November 30, 1570, pursuant to section 16 of the said 
Act, chapter 56, Statute? of Canada 1968-69. (English 
and French). — Sessional' aper No. 283-1/331. 



Changes in Committee Membership 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 



At 10.19 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 1970 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of 
the House had laid upon the Table the First Report of 
the Clerk of Petitions, stating that he has examined the 
petition of Mr. Angus MacDougall and twelve other 
persons, signed at Glace Bay, on the Island of Cape 
Breton, in the Province of Nova Scotia and pertaining 
to the Cape Breton Development Corporation Act, pre- 
sented on December 10, 1970, and finds that it meets the 
requirements of the Standing Orders as to form. 



And the honourable Member for Cape Breton-East 
Richmond (Mr. Maclnnis) having raised a question as 
to the procedure to be followed under Standing Order 
€7 in order to debate the said petition. 



Mr. Speaker: I think the proper procedure at this 
svage is for the honourable Member to seek leave of 
the House to have the petition read. To my knowledge 
there is no strict or clear provision in the standing 
orders for the reading of a petition, but citation 343 of 
Beauchesne's fourth edition indicates that an honourable 

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Member has the right to request that a petition be read 
by the Clerk of the House and in that way given that 
measure of publicity. This would require the consent 
of the House and I ask whether the honourable Mem- 
ber, by leave of the House, may have the petition read? 



Whereupon, the said petition was read by the Clerk 
of the House and is as follows: 

"To the Honourable the House of Commons in Parlia- 
ment Assembled: 

The humble Petition of Ihe undersigned Canadians, 
resident in the Island of Cape Breton and Province of 
Nova Scotia, who are persons for whose benefit and the 
benefit of their dependents your Honourable House 
intended to provide pension arrangements, sheweth: 

That Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent 
of the Senate and your Honourable House, did enact 
the statute entitled the "Cape Breton Development Cor- 
poration Act", chapter 6 of the Statutes of Canada 1967, 



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which said statute came into force, upon proclamation 
of the Governor in Council, on the 1st day of October 
1967; 

That section 18 of the said statute provides that the 
Cape Breton Development Corporation shall, by by- 
lav/ approved by the Honourable the Treasury Board, 
establish, manage and administer pension arrangements 
for the benefit of persons, among whom are your Peti- 
tioners, employed or formerly employed in certain coal 
mining and related works and undertakings on the 
Island of Cape Breton, and for the benefit of the de- 
pendents of such persons; 

That the said Corporation, purporting to comply with 
the said section 18, has put into force and effect a 
"Pre-Retirement Leave Plan", so-called; 

That the Pre-Retirement Leave Plan is an income 
supplement scheme and is not a pension arrangement; 
ana the benefits paid thereunder are designed and in- 
tended to supplement other forms of assistance received 
or to be received so as to raise the total assistance 
received to — but not above — certain dollar amounts 
fixed under the said Plan, with the result that the 
assistance paid by the Corporation decreases or ceases 
as other assistance is increased; 

That the said Plan specifies that assistance received 
by way of unemployment insurance benefits is assistance 
within the meaning of the Plan; and the Plan requires 
that persons who are on pre-retirement leave under the 
Plan must use up their full benefit entitlement based 
upon their unemployment insurance contributions; 

That the Government announced on the 3rd Decem- 
ber 1970 that, effective the 3rd January 1971, unemploy- 
ment insurance benefits will be increased by ten per 
cent; 

That your Petitioners and their dependents will not 
benefit by the said increase in unemployment insurance 
benefits inasmuch as the Cape Breton Development 
Corporation will deduct, to its own use and benefit, the 
amount of such increase from the amount of the sup- 
plementary assistance paid by the Corporation within 
the income ceiling fixed by the Plan; 

That this loss to your Petitioners and their depend- 
ents will commence on the 3rd January 1971; 

That except by petition to your Honourable House no 
remedy is available to your Petitioners whereby they 
may obtain relief of this grievance before the 3rd Jan- 
uary 1971 or at all; 

Therefore your Petitioners HUMBLY PRAY that your 
Honourable House will find means of prevailing upon 
Her Majesty's Government and the Cape Breton Devel- 
opment Corporation: 

1 . To revoke the Pre-Retirement Leave Plan and to 
substitute therefor pension arrangements based upon 
pension principles; or ALTERNATIVELY, to provide 
for improved early retirement benefits for your Peti- 
tioners and their dependents based upon the principle 



already approved by Her Majesty's Government and 
referred to in the recommendation of His Excellency 
the Governor General which is printed in the Notice 
Paper of your Honourable House at page 3, for the 
9th December 1970, and which recommends legislation 
to improve early retirement benefits for certain cate- 
gories of persons employed in the Public Service; and 

2. To provide an immediate remedy for the present 
personal grievances of your Petitioners that, com- 
mencing the 3rd January 1971, they and their de- 
pendents will suffer financial losses not intended by 
your Honourable House when providing, under section 
18 of the Cape Breton Development Corporation Act 
that pension arrangements must be made by the Cape 
Breton Development Corporation, with the approval 
of the Treasury Board, for your Petitioners and their 
dependents; and 

3. To provide such further and other relief in the 
premises as to your Honourable House seems just and 
meet. 

And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, now prayeth 
and will ever pray. 

And your Petitioners have, and each of them hath, 
signed at Glace Bay, on the Island of Cape Breton, in 
the Province of Nova Scotia, this 6th day of December, 
in the year of Our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred 
and Seventy. 



(Signed): 

Angus MacDougall 
Thomas H. McDonald 
Charles MacQueen 
Edison Clements 
A. Archie MacAuley 
Peter Murray 



Joseph M. Matheson 
William Pittman 
Colin Matheson 
Stanley Nash 
Edwin M. Matheson 
Alex Yanisiewick 
Thomas Daye 



Mr. Speaker: This is perhaps where we reach the 
point which the honourable Member had anticipated a 
moment ago concerning whether a motion pursuant to the 
petition filed can be entertained at this time. The honour- 
able Member has correctly referred to Standing Order 
67(8) thereof which reads in part as follows: ". . .or if it 
complain of some present personal grievance requiring 
an immediate remedy, the matter contained therein may 
be brought into immediate discussion." 

As honourable Members know there are very few 
precedents in modern times in respect of the House hav- 
ing adjourned its business for the purpose of considering 
a petition. The only precedent which I could find and 
which I looked at, in view of the fact that the matter 
was brought to the attention of the House yesterday by 
the honourable Member through the filing of the petition 
is the Raymond Rodgers case reported in the Journals 
of the House of Commons for Friday, October 19, 1962. 

The Journals record that by unanimous consent the 
petition received the previous day and read to the House 



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be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections. I think it is relevant and important and 
this had been done by the unanimous consent of the 
House. 

Perhaps if there was unanimity in the House that the 
petition referred to by the honourable Member be re- 
ferred to a committee of the House, the honourable 
Member might be invited to indicate what committee 
he wishes the petition to be referred to. I think that 
this is the way in which a petition of this nature should 
be dealt with rather than by procedure which is akin 
or very closely related either to Standing Order 43 or 
Standing Order 26. Perhaps the honourable Member 
might indicate for the guidance of the Chair and of 
all honourable Members what motion he has in mind 
to submit to the House in relation to the petition. 

And later; 

Mr. Speaker: I think the honourable Member has 
made his point clearly and if he agrees with the position 
suggested then the matter might be considered at this 
time and debated by unanimous consent, but the House 
would have to decide whether there is such a desire 
or whether the matter should be referred to a commit- 
tee. I am not sure whether the government House leader 
has a suggestion to make in this regard. 

And later; 

Mr. Speaker: I think that perhaps the suggestion 
made by the house leader and by the honourable Member 
for Cape Breton-East Richmond is a good one. Perhaps 
the question might be taken under advisement for con- 
sultations later on. 



Mr. Howard (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Orlikow, by 
leave of the House, introduced Bill C-209, An Act to 
amend the Industrial Relations and Disputes Investiga- 
tion Act, which was read the first time and ordered to 
be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House: 

Bill S-8, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. — Mr. 
Coates. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Marchand (Langelier), seconded by Mr. Munro, — That 
Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional Development 
Incentives Act be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Regional Development. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered one to eight were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill C-26, An Act to amend the 
National Trade Mark and True Labelling Act (Octane 
rating of gasoline) ; 

Mr. Francis, seconded by Mr. Howard (Okanagan 
Boundary) moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Ritchie for Mr. Howe on the Standing Committee 
on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Peddle for Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West) on the 
Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization. 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, DECEMBER 14, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, laid upon the Table, — Copy of Report of the Advisory 
Committee on Parliamentary Salaries and Expenses — 
November 1970. (T. N. Beaupre, Esq., Chairman). (Eng- 
lish and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-4/33. 



Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Report, dated December 14, 1970, 
of the Prices and Incomes Commission, entitled "Manu- 
factured Edible Oil Products" (Chairman — John H. 
Young, Esq.). (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/374. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Ques- 
tion was made an Order of the House for Return: 

No. 56 — Mr. Orlikow 

Who are the staff members of the Company of Young 
Canadians and, in each case, what is their annual salary? 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/56. 



Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Return to the fore- 
going Order. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Marchand (Langelier), seconded by Mr. Munro, — That 
Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional Development 
Incentives Act be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Regional Development. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Regional De- 
velopment. 



The Order being read for the report stage of Bill C-174, 
An Act to establish the Tax Review Board and to make 
certain amendments to other Acts in relation thereto, 
as reported (with an amendment) from the Standing 
Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



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Revised recommendation in relation to Bill C-174, An 
Act to establish the Tax Review Board and to make 
certain amendments to other Acts in relation thereto 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to establish the Tax 
Review Board and to make certain amendments to 
other Acts in relation thereto, to provide for the salaries, 
travelling allowances, annuities and benefits of the mem- 
bers of the Board, for the duties of and appeals to the 
Board, for the appointment of a Registrar and a Deputy 
Registrar and for their salaries and superannuation; 

To provide also that the salaries, travelling allowances, 
annuities and benefits payable to members, former mem- 
bers and widows of former members shall be paid out 
of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, and that all other 
expenditures shall be paid out of moneys appropriated 
by Parliament for the purpose; 

And to provide further for certain transitional or re- 
lated amendments.— December 8, 1970. 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), moved,— That Bill C-174, An Act 
to establish the Tax Review Board and to make certain 
amendments to other Acts in relation thereto, be amended 
by striking out line 13 of subclause 22(3) at page 13 
and substituting the following: 

"controversy does not exceed $2,500, the" 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General is as foUows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons that Bill C-174, a measure to 
establish the Tax Review Board and to make certain 
amendments to other Acts in relation thereto, now before 
the House, be amended by striking out line 13 on page 
13 and substituting the following: 

"controversy does not exceed $2,500, the" 

And the question being put on the said motion, it 
was agreed to. 



On motion of Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded 
by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), the said bill, as 
amended, was concurred in at the report stage. 

Yeas 



By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the 
third time and passed. 



Bill C-3, An Act respecting investment companies, as 
reported (with amendments) from the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, was 
concurred in at the report stage, read the third time and 
passed. 

The Order being read for the report stage of Bill 
C-175, An Act respecting grain, as reported (with 
amendments) from the Standing Committee on Agricul- 
ture; 

Mr. Horner, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That Bill 
C-175, An Act respecting grain, be amended by deleting 
Clause 41 and by renumbering the subsequent clauses 
accordingly. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, pursuant to section 11 of Standing Order 
75, a recorded division was deferred. 

Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia), seconded by Mr. Allmand, 
moved, — That Bill C-175, An Act respecting grain, be 
amended by 

(a) renumbering Clause 12 at page 13 as subclause 
12(1); 

(b) by deleting the words ", other than a primary 
elevator," in line 18 of Clause 12 at page 13; and 

(c) by adding the following subclause to Clause 
12 immediately after line 36 at page 13: 

■Limitation" "(2) The Commission shall not, in operat- 
ing any elevator as a primary elevator pur- 
suant to paragraph (d) of subsection (1), 
purchase grain." 
After debate thereon, the question being put on the 

said motion, it was agreed to. 

And the House having proceeded to the deferred 
division on the motion of Mr. Horner, seconded by Mr. 
Bell, — That Bill C-175, An Act respecting grain, be 
amended by deleting Clause 41 and by renumbering the 
subsequent clauses accordingly. 



And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 



Alexander, 

Baldwin, 

Bell, 

Coates, 

Comeau, 

Grouse, 

Danforth, 

Dinsdale, 

Downey, 



Hales, 

Harkness, 

Horner, 

Howe, 

Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Korchinski, 
Lundrigan, 



Messrs. 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

MacRae, 

McCutcheon, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 



McQuaid, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir, 

Murta, 

Nesbitt, 

Nielsen, 



Ricard, 
Ritchie, 
Ryan, 
Rynard, 
Schumacher, 
Simpson, 
Southam, 
Stewart 
(Marquette)— 38. 



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Allmand, 

Badanai, 

Barnett, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Brewin, 

Buchanan, 

Burton, 

Cafik, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Corbin, 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Crossman, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Davis, 

Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 



Drury, 

Dube, 

Duquet, 

Forget, 

Foster, 

Francis, 

Gendron, 

Gibson, 

Gilbert, 

Gillespie, 

Givens, 

Gray, 

Groos, 

Guilbault, 

Harding, 

Hellyer, 

Hogarth, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Howard (Skeena), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 



Nays 
Messrs. 

Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 

MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
Mackasey, 
McBride, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Marchand 

(Kamloops- 

Cariboo), 



Mather, 

Morison, 

Munro, 

Noel, 

Nystrom, 

O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Orange, 

Orlikow, 

Osier, 

Pelletier, 

Pepin, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Prud'honune, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Rowland, 

Roy (Laval), 

Saltsman, 

Sharp, 

Skoberg, 

Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 



Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
Sulatycky, 
Sullivan, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher— 108. 



On motion of Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, 
the said bill, as amended, was concurred in at the report 
stage. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15 (4)1 

(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, items numbered eight and nine 
were allowed to stand and retain their position. 



Mr. Alexander, seconded by Mr. Bell moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should 
initiate a national research and development program 
in respect of methods of proper and economic solid-waste 
disposal, including studies directed to the conservation 
of natural resources by reducing the amount of waste 
and unsalvageable materials and by recovery and utiliza- 
tion of potential resources in solid wastes; and provide 
technical and financial assistance to provincial and 
municipal governments and multi-governmental agencies 
in the planning, development, and conduct of solid-waste 
disposal programs. — (Notice of Motion No. 11). 

And debate arising thereon; 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the 
third reading of Bill C-175, An Act respecting grain; 

Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Basford, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon; 

And a point of order having been raised with respect 
to Royal Consent. 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable Member for 
Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) at the beginning of this 
evening's session raised an interesting point of order 
with respect to the matter of Royal Consent and whether 
or not it was requi ed, in the bill that the House now has 
before it. The Chair aslted honourable Members if they 
would grant me the opportunity to look at some au- 
thorities and I now have had that oppoitunity and, if I 
may do so, I would like to rule on the point of order 
raised by the honourable Member for Peace River, and 
to thank him for a very novel and ingenious argument. 

My concern, I must say among other things, was in 
keeping straight in my mind the distinction between the 
point raised by the honourable Member for Peace River 
with respect to the occasion when such consent is re- 
quired, as he argued, and the occasion when a recom- 
mendation might have covered the particular point, as 



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the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Olson) argued in his 
presentation, and it seemed to me that maybe there was 
something I wanted to look at further to see if there 
was a distinction there that I might bring out for the 
benefit of honourable Members. 

The honourable Member for Peace River argued that 
the consent of the Crown is required before the right can 
be given to waive the penalty which is referred to in 
clause 108(11) of the bill, and that penalty is imposed 
by subclause (10) of the particular clause, and whether 
or not without the consent of the Sovereign, given be- 
fore the bill is finally passed, and that the bill should 
not accordingly provide for that right of waiver. 

I won't take much more time of the House in making 
this decision but I want to thank the honourable Mem- 
ber for Peace River and the Minister of Agriculture for 
their presentations, because it does seem to me that it 
wa3 a new point, certainly to me with my very limited 
experience in the Chair, and there might be a distinction 
I wanted to make before rendering a decision — that the 
recommendation which is required for all bills, which 
we generally call money bills, and this was the argument 
of the Minister of Agriculture, that the recommendation 
of His Excellency did in fact cover the point that the 
honourable Member for Peace River raised with respect 
to consent. 

And it seems to me that we have to go somewhat 
further, to look at the argument made by the honourable 
Member for Peace River, that in this particular case 
where the right to waive the penalty was given in the 
bill, that there would have to be the consent of the 
Sovereign. The matter has been dealt with by Mr. 
Speaker, and I want to refer just very briefly to his 
decision on that occasion. But before doing so I might 
say that generally speaking one might say that consent, 
as argued by the honourable Member for Peace River, 
is required only where the personal property of the 
Sovereign is affected, as distinguished from property 
that the Sovereign may hold for the Sovereign's subjects. 

I would just refer honourable Members to the ruling 
of Mr. Speaker, in the 1963 session, volume 3. The matter 
was raised at page 2980 during consideration of the 
Municipal Development and Loan Board Bill, and in 
circumstances which did not affect the personal property 
of the Sovereign. And Mr. Speaker, then Mr. Deputy 
Speaker, made this distinction, and if I might read it 
very briefly: "I should like to turn to the citation which 
has been quoted by the honourable Member, that is 
citation 283. It is obvious that his whole argument, as 
has been suggested by the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, Mr. Favreau, is based on the premise that 
certain rights and privileges of the Crown are affected. 
It says:" 

And here Mr. Speaker, quotes: "The consent of the 
King or Queen, as the case may be (to be distinguished 
from the Royal Assent of bills) is given by a Privy 
Councillor to bills (and occasionally amendments) affect- 
ing local and personal interests which concern the royal 



prerogative, the hereditary revenue or personal property 
or interests of the Crown or Duchy of Cornwall." 

I might just mention without reading them, the two 
other citations on which Mr. Speaker based his decision, 
Campion at page 329, and Beauchesne, citation 283. 

And so, in view of the distinction that was then drawn, 
and as I have tried to do, in the cases where Royal 
Consent is required, it seems to me that while the argu- 
ment of the honourable Member was a learned one, it 
should not prevail in these circumstances. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Olson, 
seconded by Mr. Basford, — That Bill C-175, An Act 
respecting grain, be now read a third time and do pass. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill S-2, An Act respecting 
statistics of Canada; 

Mr. Olson for Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



{Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate, the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 63(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Benjamin for Mr. Brevvin on the Special Commit- 
tee on Election Expenses. 

Mr. Nystrom for Mr. Peters on the Standing Commit- 
tee on External Affairs and National Defence. 

Messrs. Rochon, Roy (Laval) and Howe for Messrs. 
Crossman, Smith (Saint-Jean) and McCleave on the 
Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs. 



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Messrs. Smith (Saint-Jean), Whicher, Osier, Trudel, 
Groos and Grossman for Messrs. Goyer, Haidasz, Guay 
(St. Boniface), Ouellet, Perrault and Penner on the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs and National 
Defence. 

Mr. Weatherhead for Mr. Kaplan on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Horner for Mr. Ritchie on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. Lessard (LaSalle), Grossman, Clermont and 
Duquet for Messrs. Isabella, Roberts, Roy (Laval) and 
Rochon on the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare 
and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Monteith for Mr. Alexander on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Clermont for Mr. Sullivan on the Standing Co.ti- 
mitLee on Regional Development. 

Messrs. Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo) and Stewart 
(Okanagan-Kootenay) for Messrs. Guay (St. Boniface) 
and Corriveau on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely; 

By Mr. Jamieson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of work performed and expenditures 
made as of December 31, 1969, under authority of chapter 
56, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61, respecting the construc- 
tion by the Canadian National Railway Company of a 
line of railway from a point near Grimshaw in the 



Province of Alberta, in a northerly direction to Great 
Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories, pursuant to 
section 9 of the said Act. (English and French). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-1/99. 

By Mr. Jamieson, — Report of work performed and 
expenditures made as of December 31, 1969, under author- 
ity of chapter 15, Statutes of Canada, 1966, respecting the 
construction by the Canadian National Railway Com- 
pany of a line of railway from the vicinity of Amesdale 
on the Redditt Subdivision, in a northwesterly direction 
to a point near Iron Bay on the westerly shore of Bruce 
Lake, in the Province of Ontario. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-1/99A. 

By Mr. Jamieson, — Report of work performed and 
expenditures made as of December 31, 1969, under 
a ithority of chapter 35, Statutes of Canada, 1966, re- 
specting the construction by the Canadian National Rail- 
way Company of a line of railway from the vicinity of 
Stall Lake in a northeasterly direction to a point in the 
vicinity of Osborne Lake in the Pas Mining District, in 
the Province of Manitoba. (English and French). — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/99B. 

By Mr. Jamieson,— Report of work performed and 
expenditures made as of December 31, 1969, together 
with estimated expenditures for 1970, under authority 
of chapter 3, Statutes of Canada, 1968-69, respecting the 
construction and completion of a line of railway by the 
Canadian National Railway Company from near mile 17 
of the Windfall Extension to the Sangudo Subdivision 
to Bigstohe, in the Province of Alberta. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/99G. 



At 10.24 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 15, 1970 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of letters dated Decem- 
ber 7 and 11, 1970, exchanged between the Ambassador of 
Japan at Ottawa and the Minister of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce, together with an Annex, concerning restraints 
on certain Japanese Exports to Canada for the year 1970. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/115. 



Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Bell, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-210, An Act to establish the 
Fundy Power Authority, which was read the first time 
and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the consideration of the 
Business of Supply; 

Pursuant to Standing Order 58, Mr. Fortin, seconded 
by Mr. Lambert (Bellechasse), moved, — That this House 
condemns the Government for having inspired false 
hopes among young people between the ages of 16 and 



24 by assuring them that education pays, at a time when 
young people coming out of schools and universities find 
no outlet for their energies and no means of placing the 
knowledge they have acquired at the service of the 
people, because the Government has been unable to 
introduce such financial devices as the compensated dis- 
count and the national dividend so as to enable the 
masses to benefit from the communal resource constituted 
by young people who are educated and better equipped 
than any previous generation to produce more efficiently, 
more abundantly and more economically, so as to assure 
the greater welfare of all Canadians. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Mazankowski, seconded by Mr. Lundrigan, moved 
in amendment thereto, — That the motion be amended 
by deleting all the words after the word "Government" 
on line 8 and adding thereto the following: 

has not adopted such fiscal and economic policies as 

would stimulate the economy and allow young people 

to better contribute to national growth. 

And debate arising thereon; 



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Mr. Nystrom, seconded by Mr. Orlikow, moved in 
amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the 
amendment be amended by changing the period to a 
comma and by adding the following words thereto: 

"and, in particular, has failed (1) to pursue policies 
of full employment, and, 

(2) to amend the regulations governing manpower 
training and allowances so as to enable young Cana- 
dians leaving school and those who have been on the 
labour market for less than three years to receive a 
training allowance and training necessary to fit them 
for useful occupations." 

And debate arising thereon; 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Routine 
Proceedings". 

Mr. LeBlanc (Rimouski) for the Chairman of the 
Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs presented the First Report of the said Committee 
which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Thursday, 
December 10, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill 
C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, and 
has agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issues Nos. 1 and 2) is tabled. 



(The Minutes o/ Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 12 
to the Journals). 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Fortin, 
seconded by Mr. Lambert (Bellechasse), — That this 
House condemns the Government for having inspired 
false hopes among young people between the ages of 16 
and 24 by assuring them that education pays, at a time 



when young people coming out of schools and univer- 
sities find no outlet for their energies and no means of 
placing the knowledge they have acquired at the service 
of the people, because the Government has been unable 
to introduce such financial devices as the compensated 
discount and the national dividend so as to enable the 
masses to benefit from the communal resource constituted 
by young people who are educated and better equipped 
than any previous generation to produce more efficiently, 
more abundantly and more economically, so as to assure 
the greater welfare of all Canadians. 

And on the motion of Mr. Mazankowski, seconded by 
Mr. Lundrigan, in amendment thereto, — That the motion 
be amended by deleting all the words after the word 
"Government" on line 8 and adding thereto the following: 

has not adopted such fiscal and economic policies as 

would stimulate the economy and allow young people 

to better contribute to national growth. 

And on the motion of Mr. Nystrom, seconded by Mr. 
Orlikow in amendment to the said proposed amend- 
ment, — That the amendment be amended by changing 
the period to a comma and by adding the following words 
thereto: 

"and, in particular, has failed (1) to pursue policies 
of full employment, and, 

(2) to amend the regulations governing manpower 
training and allowances so as to enable young Cana- 
dians leaving school and those who have been on the 
labour market for less than three years to receive a 
training allowance and training necessary to fit them 
for useful occupations." 

And debate continuing; 



It being the Fifth and Final Allotted Day in the period 
ending December 15, 1970, at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 58(10). 

And the question being put on the amendment to the 
amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 



Alexander, 

Asselin, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Bell, 

Benjamin, 

Bigg, 

Broadbent, 

Burton, 

Comeau, 

Grouse, 

Dinsdale, 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 
Downey, 



Fairweather, 

Flemming, 

Forrestall, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Harding, 

Hees, 

Howe, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
La Salle, 
Lewis, 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Lundrigan, 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

MacLean, 

Macquarrie, 

McCleave, 

McCutcheon, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 

McQuaid, 

Marshall, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 



Moore, 

Muir, 

Murta, 

Nesbitt, 

Nielsen, 

Nowlan, 

Nystrom, 

Orlikow, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rowland, 

Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Schumacher, 



Scott, 

Simpson, 

Skoberg, 

Skoreyko, 

Southam, 

Stanfleld, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Valade, 
Yewchuk— 69. 



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Allmand, 

Anderson, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

B^chard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Cantin, 

Chappell, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Cote (Richelieu), 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Crossman, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 



Deakon, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dupras, 
Duquet, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Givens, 
Goode, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 
Groos, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guay (L^vis), 
Guilbault, 
Haidasz, 
Hogarth, 
Hopkins, 
Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 



Nays 

Messrs. 

Hymmen, 

Jerome, 

Kaplan, 

Kierans, 

Lachance, 

Laflamme, 

Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint- Jean), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 
Major, 
Marceau, 



Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Morison, 

Noel, 

O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Osier, 

Otto, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Serre, 



And the question being put on the said proposed 
amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 



Yeas 

Messrs. 



Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting— 116. 



Alexander, 


Fairweather, 


Lundrigan, 


Moore, 


Scott, 


Asselin, 


Flemming, 


MacEwan, 


Muir, 


Simpson, 


Baldwin, 


Forrestall, 


Maclnnis (Cape 


Murta, 


Skoberg, 


Barnett, 


Gundlock, 


Breton-East 


Nesbitt, 


Skoreyko, 


BeU, 


Hales, 


Richmond), 


Nielsen, 


Southam, 


Benjamin, 


Harding, 


MacLean, 


Nowlan, 


Stanfield, 


Bigg, 


Hees, 


Macquarrie, 


Nystrom, 


Stewart 


Broadbent, 


Howe, 


McCleave, 


Orlikow, 


(Marquette), 


Burton, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


McCutcheon, 


Peddle, 


Thomas 


Comeau, 


North Centre), 


McGrath, 


Peters, 


(Moncton), 


Crouse, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Mcintosh, 


Ricard, 


Thompson 


Dinsdale, 


Haldimand), 


McKinley, 


Ritchie, 


(Red Deer), 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Lambert 


McQuaid, 


Rowland, 


Thomson 


Cowichan-The 


(Edmonton West), 


Marshall, 


Ryan, 


(Battleford- 


Islands), 


La Salle, 


Mazankowski, 


Rynard, 


Kittdersley), 


Downey, 


Lewis, 


Monteith, 

Nays 
Messrs. 


Schumacher, 


Valade, 
Yewchuk— 69. 


Allmand, 


Bechard, 


Boulanger, 


Chappell, 


Cote (Richelieu), 


Anderson, 


Beer, 


Breau, 


Clermont, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Badanai, 


Benson, 


Caccia, 


Cobbe, 


Crossman, 


Barrett, 


Blouin, 


Cafik, 


Comtois, 


Cyr, 


Basford, 


Borrie, 


Cantin, 


Corbin, 


Danson, 



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Davis, 
Deachman, 
Deakon, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dupras, 
Duquet, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Givens, 
Goode, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 
Groos, 
Guay (St. Boniface), 



Guay (L6vis), 

Guilbault, 

Haidasz, 

Hogarth, 

Hopkins, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Kierans, 
Lachance, 
Laflamme, 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 
Lessard (LaSalle), 



Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 
Major, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Marchand 

(Kamloops- 

Cariboo), 
Morison, 
Munro, 
Noel, 

O'Connell, 
Olson, 



Osier, 

Otto, 

Pelletier, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Serr6, 

Sharp, 

Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 



Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting— 119. 



And the question being put on the main motion, it 
was negatived on the following division: 



Beaudoin, 

Dionne, 

Fortin, 



Alexander; 

Allmand, 

Anderson, 

Asselin, 

Badanai, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

B6chard, 

Beer, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Benson, 

Bigg, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Broadbent, 

Burton, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Cantin, 

Chappell, 

Clermont, 



Gauthier, 
Godin, 



Cobbe, 

Comeau, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Cote (Richelieu), 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Grossman, 

Crouse, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 

Deakon, 

Dinsdale, 

Douglas 
(Assiniboia), 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Downey, 

Drury, 

Dupras, 

Duquet, 

Fairweather, 

Flemming, 

Forest, 



Yeas 

Messrs: 

Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Laprise, 

Nays 

Messrs: 

Forget, 

Forrestall, 

Foster, 

Francis, 

Gendron, 

Gervais, 

Gibson, 

Gillespie, 

Givens, 

Goode, 

Goyer, 

Gray, 

Groos, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 

Guay (L6vis), 

Guilbault, 

Gundlock, 

Haidasz, 

Hales, 

Harding, 

Hees, 

Hogarth, 

Hopkins, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Howe, 



Latulippe, 
Matte, 



Hymmen, 

Jerome, 

Kaplan, 

Kierans, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Lachance, 
Laflamme, 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 
Humboldt), 

Langlois, 

La Salle, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 

Lefebvre, 

Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 

Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 

Lewis, 

Lind, 

Loiselle, 



Rodrigue, 
Rondeau — 11. 



Lundrigan, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
MacEwan, 
MacGuigan, 
Maclnnis (Cape 

Breton-East 

Richmond), 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 
McGrath, 
Mcintosh, 
McKinley, 
McNulty, 
McQuaid, 
Mahoney, 
Major, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Marchand 

(Kamloops- 

Cariboo), 



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M«u^hall, 


Otto, 


Rowland, 


Southam, 


Thomson 


Mazankowskl, 


Peddle, 


Roy (Timmins), 


Stafford, 


(Battleford- 


Monteith, 


Pelletier, 


Roy GLiavaD, 


Stanbury, 


Kindersley), 


Moore, 


Penner, 


Ryan, 


Stanfleld, 


Tolmie, 


Morison, 


Pepin, 


Rynard, 


Stewart 


Trudeau, 


Muir, 


Perrault, 


Schumacher, 


(Marquette), 


Trudel, 


Munro, 


Peters, 


Scott, 


Stewart (Okanagan- 


Turner 


Murta, 


Portelance, 


Serr6, 


Kootenay), 


(London East), 


Nesbitt, 


Pringle, 


Sharp, 


St. Pierre, 


Valade, 


Nielsen, 


Prud'homme, 


Simpson, 


Sulatycky, 


Wahn, 


Noel, 


Reid, 


Skoberg, 


Thomas 


Walker, 


Nowlan, 


Ricard, 


Skoreyko, 


(Maisonneuve- 


Watson, 


Nystrom, 


Richardson, 


Smith 


Rosemont) , 


Weatherhead, 


O'Connell, 


Ritchie, 


(Northtimberland- 


Thomas 


Whelan, 


Olson, 


Roberts, 


Miramichi), 


(Moncton), 


Whicher, 


Orlikow, 


Robinson, 


Smith 


Thompson 


Whiting, 


Osier, 


Rochon, 


(Saint-Jean), 


(Red Deer), 


Yewchuk — 188. 



On motion of Mr. Drury, seconded by Mr. Marchand 
iLangelier), Supplementary Estimates (A) and (B) for 
the fiscal year ending March 31, 1971, presented to the 
House, Tuesday, November 17, and Friday, December 
4, 1970, were concurred in, on division. 



and to amend an Act to amend the Merchant Seamen 
Compensation Act, without any amendment. 



Changes in Committee Membership 



Mr. Drury, seconded by Mr. Marchand (Langelier), 
moved, — That Bill C-211, An Act for granting to Her 
Majesty certain sums of money for the public service 
for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1971, be 
now read a first time and printed. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed. 

Mr. Drury, seconded by Mr. Marchand (Langelier), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to a Committee of the Whole House. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without 
amendment and concurred in at the report stage. 

Mr. Drury, seconded by Mr. Marchand (Langelier), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a third time 
and do pass. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it 
was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed Bill C-188, An 
Act to amend the Merchant Seamen Compensation Act 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Stewart (Marquette) for Mr. Murta on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. McQuaid for Mr. Fairweather on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Messrs. Flemming and Crossman for Messrs. McGrath 
and Rock on the Special Committee on Environmental 

Pollution. 

Messrs. Isabelle and Rochon for Messrs. Portelance 
and Duquet on the Standing Committee on Health, Wel- 
fare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Borrie for Mr. Thomas (Maisonneuve-Rosemont) 
on the Standing Committee on Labour, Manpower and 
Immigration. 

Messrs. Noel, Cullen and Murphy for Messrs. Murphy, 
Whicher and Weatherhead on the Standing Committee 
on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Thomas (Moncton) for Mr. McCleave on the 
Standing Committee on Regional Development. 

Messrs. Robinson and Murta for Messrs. McBride and 
Schumacher on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. Penner, Haidasz, Perrault, Quay (St. Boniface) 
and Goyer for Messrs. Crossman, Trudel, Whicher, Osier 
and Smith (Saint- Jean) on the Standing Committee on 
Extemsd Affairs and National Defence. 



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Mr. Trudel for Mr. Caccia on the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

Mr. Whicher for Mr. McBride on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Regional Development. 

Messrs. Caccia and Robinson for Messrs. Francis and 
Cullen on the Standing Committee on Labour, Manpower 
and Immigration. 



Mr. McCleave for Mr. MacDonald (Egmont) on the 
Standing Committee on Regional Development 



At 10.34 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House untU tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
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PRAYERS 



Mr. Broadbent, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-212, An Act respecting the importation of goods pro- 
duced by corporations engaged in industrial disputes, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Return: 

No. 199 — Mr. Robinson 

1. What consultants are presently engaged by the 
government for the Montreal International Airport? 

2. What remuneration has already been paid to them? 

3. What is the total anticipated remuneration to be 
paid for their services? 

4. What is the per diem fee paid to each professional 
category employed as consultants? — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-2/199. 



No. 591 — Mr. Mazankowski 

1 . How many doctors are on staff at the National 
Defence Medical Centre, Ottawa? 

2. Who are they, what is their country of origin and 
their respective qualifications? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/591. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all background papers and reports related to Chapter 8 
of the Government White Paper on Proposals for Tax 
Reform regarding the impact on revenues and the 
economy. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 12 — Mr. Saltsman). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the study by Louise M. Tremblay, Montreal, under- 
taken for the Department of Manpower and Immigration 



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regarding the "Evaluation on the activity of the Research 
Commission on the results of the industrial change at the 
Windsor (Quebec) Factory of the Domtar Pulp and Paper 
Company". — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 39 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the consultant report by RCA Victor Company Limited 
on a Canadian Communications satellite system under- 
taken for the Department of Industry, Trade and Com- 
merce in the fiscal year 1968-69, as mentioned in answer 
to Question Number 1,323 of the 1st Session of this 
Parliament. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 63 — Mr. Skoberg). 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare 
and Social Affairs of Bill S-5, An Act respecting weights 
and measures; 

Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Munro, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Health, Wel- 
fare and Social Affairs. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House, a copy 
of the consultant report by Northern Electric Company 
Limited on Canadian Coonmunications satellite systems 
undertaken for the Depaiiment of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce in answer to Question Number 1,323 of the 
1st Session of this Parliament. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 88 — Mr. Skoberg). 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
or other documents exchanged between the government 
or any agency or department and any other government 
or person since January 1, 1956 relating to the annexation 
of Cornwall Island or any psirt of the St. Regis Indian 
Reserve by the City of Cornwall, the Province of On- 
tario or any agency or group established by or under 
the aegis of the Province of Ontario. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 149 — Mr. Howard 
(Skeena)). 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Basford, seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), — 
That Bill C-180, An Act respecting the packaging, 
labelling, sale, importation and advertising of pre- 
packaged and certain other products, be now read a 
second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

After further debate the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Health, Wel- 
fare and Social Affairs. 

Bill C-179, An Act respecting the Buffalo and Fort I 
Erie Public Bridge Company, as reported from the 
Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs, was concurred in at the report stage, read the 
third time and passed. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of each questionnaire circulated during recent months 
among civilian Canadians between the ages of 15 and 
22, and the questionnaire circulated among younger 
members of the Armed Forces, and a copy of the ques- 
tionnaire circulated among high school students in 
Sussex, N.B. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 161 — Mr. Forrestall) . 



The House resimied debate on the motion of Mr. Pepin, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill S-2, An Act 
respecting statistics of Canada, be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, 
on division, and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



Bill S-6, An Act to amend the Anti-dumping Act, as 
reported with an amendment from the Standing Com- 
niittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, was con- 
curred in at the report stage, read the third time and 
passed. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Health, Wel- 
fare and Social Affairs of Bill S-7, An Act to repeal 
the Leprosy Act; 

Mr. Basford for Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said biU was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Health, 
Welfare and Social Affairs. 



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Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 



Mr. McBride for Mr. LeBlanc (Rimouski) 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 



on the 



Mr. McBride for Mr. Whicher on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Regional Development. 

Mr. Fairweather for Mr. Ryan on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Cullen for Mr. Caccia on the Standing Committee 
on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 



By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Actuarial Report on the operation of the 
Canada Pension Plan and on the state of the Canada 
Pension Plan Account, as at December 31, 1969, pur- 
suant to section 116, of the Canada Pension Plan Act, 
chapter 51, Statutes of Canada, 1964-65. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/83A. 

By Mr. Jamieson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, by command of His Excellency the Governor 
General, — Report of the Department of Transport for 
the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to sec- 
tion 34, of the Department of Transport Act, chapter 
79, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French) .—Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/26. 

By Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Notice of Intention to amend the 
Canada Pension Plan Act, filed in accordance with sec- 
tion 115 of the said Act, chapter 51, Statutes of Canada, 
1964-65. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-7/13. 



The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant to 
Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



By unanimous consent, at 5.53 o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2.00 
o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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PRAYERS 

Mr. Hopkins, from the Standing Committee on Na- 
tional Resources and Public Works, presented the First 
Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Orders of Reference of Friday, October 
30, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-4, An 
Act to amend the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance 
Act, and has agreed to report it with the following 
amendments: 

Clause 3 

(a) Strike out line 18 on page 2 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"by adding thereto the following subsection: " ; 
and 

(b) strike out line 5 on page 3 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"at the mine when the notice is sent. 

(3) Paragraphs (b) and (c) of subsection (2) do 
not apply with respect to a gold mine that ceases to 
produce, in reasonable commercial quantities, gold or 
ore containing gold before the 1st day of July, 1971." 



The Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-4, 
as amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issues Nos. 1 and 2) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 13 
to the Journals). 



Mr. Morison, from the Standing Committee on Re- 
gional Development, presented the Second Report of 
the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Decem- 
ber 14, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-205, 
An Act to amend the Regional Development Incentives 
Act, and has agreed to report it with the following 
amendments: 

Clause 8 
Strike out lines 31 to 34 both inclusive on page 10. 



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New CUnise 9 

And immediately following Clause 8 on page 10 the 
new clause as follows: 

"9. The said Act is further amended by adding 

thereto, immediately after section 15 the following: 

REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BOARD 

"15a. The Minister shall establish a Board to advise 
him with regard to the administration of this Act." 
and 

renumber present Clauses 9 and 10 as Clauses 10 and 

11 respectively. 

Clause 11 

Strike out lines 18 and 19 on page 11 in present 
Clause 10 and substitute the following therefor: 

"11. This Act shall come into force on Royal Assent." 

Your Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-205 
as amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issues Nos 2, 3, 4 and 5) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 14 
to the Journals). 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid before the House, — Copies of Diplomatic Instru- 
ments, as follows: 

( 1 ) International Convention on the elimination of 
all forms of racial discrimination. Done at New York, 
March 7, 1966. In force for Canada, November 13, 1970. 

(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/1. 

(2) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the 
United States of America amending the Agreement of 
October 6, 1966 concerning the establishment of a Mete- 
orological Rocket Project at Cold Lake, Alberta. Done 
at Ottawa, February 13 and April 24, 1969. In force 
April 24, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-6/135. 

(3) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of Thailand constituting a 
Commercial modus Vivendi between the two Countries. 
Done at Bangkok, April 22, 1969. Entered into force 
April 22, 1969. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283—6/130. 

(4) Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. Vienna, 
May 23, 1969. (English and French).— Sessional Paper 
No. 283—6/4. 

(5) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany 
concerning the use of the Churchill Research Range. 
Signed at Ottawa, July 8, 1969. Entered into force, July 
8, 1969. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-6/88. 



(6) Agreement between the Government of Canada, 
the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan 
and the International Atomic Energy Agency for the 
Application of Safeguards. Done at Vienna, October 17, 

1969. Entered into force, October 17, 1969. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/ 97B. 

(7) Exchange of Notes amending the Agreement be- 
tween the International Atomic Energy Agency, the 
Government of Canada and the Government of Japan 
for the application of Agency Safeguards in Respect of 
the Bilateral Agreement between these Governments 
for Cooperation in the Peaceful uses of Atomic Energy. 
Signed at Vienna, November 12, 1969. Entered into force 
November 12, 1969. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-6/116. 

(8) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the United States of America 
relating to the operation of Radio Telephone Stations. 
Done at Ottawa, November 19, 1969. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/136. 

(9) Agreement between Canada and the Republic of 
Singapore for the Training in Canada of Personnel of 
the Armed Forces of the Republic of Singapore. Signed 
at Singapore, December 15, 1969. Entered into force 
December 15, 1969. (Effective from July 2, 1969). 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/125. 

(10) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the United Kingdom 
modifying the Agreement of September 11, 1964, con- 
cerning the status of Canadian Forces in Bermuda. 
Signed at London, December 16, 1969 and January 8, 

1970. Entered into force January 8, 1970. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/128. 

(11) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of Malaysia for the training in 
Canada of Personnel of the Armed Forces of the Gov- 
ernment of Malaysia. Signed at Kuala Lumpur, Decem- 
ber 22, 1969. Entered into force December 22, 1969. 
(Effective from September 10, 1965). (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/95. 

(12) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the 
United States of America concerning participation by 
New Brunswick and Quebec in the • North-Eastem In- 
terstate Forest Fire Protection Compact. Signed at 
Washington, January 29, 1970. In force January 29, 
1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283- 
6/137. 

(13) Agreement between Canada and the Republic 
of Uganda for the Training in Canada of Personnel of 
the Armed Forces of the Republic of Uganda. Done at 
Kampala, March 10, 1970. Entered into force, March 10, 
1970. (Effective from August 15, 1969). (English and 
French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-6/127. 

(14) Convention respecting the Agency for Cultural 
and Technical Cooperation. Done at Niamey, March 20, 
1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283- 
6/30. 

(15) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the 
United Nations concerning Third Party Claims arising 



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out of acts committed by Members of the Canadian 
Contingent with UNFICYP. Done at New York, March 
25, 1970. (Effective from March 13, 1964). (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/6. 

(16) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the United States of America 
on Reciprocal Fishing Privileges in certain Areas off 
their Coasts. Signed at Ottawa, AprU 24, 1970. Entered 
into force April 24, 1970. (EngUsh and French) .—Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-6/132. 

(17) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the United States of 
America amending the Agreement between the Two 
Countries of May 6, 1964, concerning International 
Satellites for Ionospheric Studies (ISIS). Done at Ottawa, 
May 11, 1970. Entered into force May 11, 1970. (English 
and French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-6/138. 

(18) Protocol to Amend the Agreement on North At- 
lantic Ocean Stations signed at Paris on February 25, 
1954. Done at London, May 13, 1970. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/61. 

(19) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the Himgarian People's Republic 
Relating to the Settlement of Financial Matters. Signed 
at Budapest, June 1, 1970. Entered into force, June 1, 
1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283- 
6/90. 

(20) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the Republic of Italy relating 
to the Co-Production of Films: With Protocol of Pro- 
visional Agreement. Signed at Ottawa, June 16, 1970. 
Entered into force provisionally, June 16, 1970. (Eng- 
lish and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/103. 

(21) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the United States of 
America extending the terms of the Agreement of Air 
Defence and related Co-operation. Signed June 12, 1961. 
Done at Washington, June 25, 1970. Entered into force 
June 25, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-6/139. 

(22) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of Denmark concerning 
an Air Training Programme between Canada and Den- 
mark. Done at Copenhagen, July 2 and 3, 1970. Entered 
into force July 3, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-6/100. 

(23) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the United States of 
America to supersede the Agreement of July 31, 1969, 
concerning the operation of Pilotage in the Great Lakes 
and St. Lawrence Seaway as far East as St. Regis (with 
a Memorandum of Understanding). Done at Washington, 
July 6, 1970. Entered into force July 6, 1970. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/140. 

(24) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of Trinidad and Tobago on Com- 
mercial Scheduled Air Services (with Exchange of 
Notes), Signed at Port of Spain, August 11, 1970. En- 
tered into force provisionally, August 11, 1970. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/129. 



(25) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the United States of 
America to amend the Exchange of Notes of July 6, 
1970, concerning the operation of Pilotage in the Great 
Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway as far East as St. Regis 
(with a Memorandum of Understanding). Done at Wash- 
ington, August 11, 1970. Entered into force, August 11, 
1970. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283- 
6/140A. 

(26) Exchange of Notes between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of Ceylon Constituting an 
Agreement between the Two Governments concerning 
their Co-operative Programme for the Development of 
Ceylon. Done at Colombo, August 15, 1970. Entered into 
force, August 15, 1970. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-6/82. 

(27) Agreement on Economic and Technical Co-oper- 
ation between the Government of Canada and the Gov- 
ernment of the Federal Republic of the Cameroon. 
Signed at Toronto, September 15, 1970. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-6/104. 

(28) Agreement establishing the Caribbean Develop- 
ment Bank, Kingston, Jamaica. Done at Kingston, Octo- 
ber 18, 1969. (English and French).— Sessional Paper 
No. 283-6/62. 

(29) Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of Jamaica on Scheduled Air Serv- 
ices. Signed at Kingston, November 4, 1970. Entered into 
force November 4, 1970. (English and French). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-6/91. 



The Order being read for the report stage of Bill C-202, 
An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, as reported 
(without amendment) from the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs; 



RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: May I first refer to motion No. 2 which 
stands in the name of the honourable Member for Port- 
neuf (Mr. Godin). 

Motion numbered 2 in the name of the honourable 
Member for Portneuf, it seems to me, is clearly beyond 
the provisions of the royal recommendation. It is in this 
regard and strictly from the standpoint of procedure that 
I take the liberty of informing the honourable Member 
for Portneuf and the honourable Member for Lotbini^re 
(Mr. Fortin) that the motion is out of order. 

The arguments which the honourable Member for 
Lotbini^re has presented for the consideration of the 
honourable Members and of the Chair are interesting and 
relevant, but they are of the kind that could be sub- 
mitted during the debate in support of the motion made 
by the honourable Member. I hope that in the course 
of the debate this afternoon or tonight — or perhaps to- 
morrow or even next week, which none of us would wish 
— the honourable Member for Portneuf, the honourable 
Member for Lotbiniere as well as other honourable Mem- 
bers will nevertheless have the opportunity to bring in 



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the arguments of which the honourable Member for 
Lotbini^re has just advised us. 

Just the same, as far" as I am concerned, I must keep 
not to the gist of the honourable Member's proposal but 
to his view on procedure. And in my opmion, the 
honourable Member's proposal would establish a uni- 
versal monthly payment to every person who has attained 
the age of sixty years. If my memory serves me right, 
such universal payment would amount to $150. 

Citation 246(3) of Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules 
and Forms, fourth edition, reads as follows: (3) The 
guiding principle in determining the effect of an 
amendment upon the financial initiative of the Crown 
is that the communication, to which the royal demand 
of recommendation is attached, must be treated as laying 
down once for all (unless withdrawn and replaced) not 
only the amount of a charge, but also its objects, pur- 
poses, conditions and qualifications. 

In other words, it must be recognized that the royal 
recommendation establishes the terms and conditions 
of the financial liabilities which may be proposed to the 
House, and in this sense the motion of the honourable 
Member for Portneuf is not in order. 

I should like now to deal with the motion which 
stands in the name of the honourable Member for 
Simcoe North (Mr. Rynard). Despite the very brilliant 
argument submitted by the honourable Member for 
Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) I find it difficult to ignore 
the long standing doctrine relating to the financial 
initiative of the Crown. The honourable Member was 
arguing in the House just the other day that a certain 
bill would require the Royal Consent. I think if this 
House were at any time desirous of changing the 
doctrine of the financial initiative of the Crown, the 
Royal Consent might very well be necessary on that 
one point. If the honourable Member presented the 
argument that I should have to consider very seriously 
whether this proposal would not efifectively affect one 
of the prerogatives of the Crown, perhaps I might need 



to go into the matter more deeply. Yet perhaps that 
is not necessary. 

There are a few more points of view which I was 
tempted to go Into; I suggest to honourable Members 
that that is not necessary. I have expressed the basis 
on which I have to make the suggestion to honourable 
Members that the motion should not be put. 

Before the first motion standing in the name of the 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. 
Knowles) is put by the Chair, I should like to suggest 
that motions numbered 1 and 3 might be considered 
and voted upon as one proposition. 



Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Rynard, moved, — ^That Bill C-202, An Act to amend 
the Old Age Security Act, be amended by deleting from 
Clause 1 lines 4 to 11 at page 1. 

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Rynard, moved, — That Bill C-202, An Act to amend 
the Old Age Security Act, be amended by deleting Clause 
2 therefrom. 

And debate arising thereon; 

By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' 
Business was suspended. 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Knowles 
(Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by Mr. Rynard, — 
That BiU C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security 
Act, be amended by deleting from Clause 1 lines 4 to 
11 at page 1. 

And on the motion of Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North 
Centre), seconded by Mr. Rynard, — That Bill C-202, An 
Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, be amended by 
deleting Clause 2 therefrom. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motions, they were negatived on the following divi- 
sion: 



Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Beaudoin, 

Bell, 

Benjamin, 

Bigg, 

Broadbent, 

Burton, 

Cadieu, 

Coates, 

Comeau, 

Crouse, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Douglas (Nanalmo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 
Fairweather, 



Flemming, 

Fortin, 

Gauthier, 

Gilbert, 

Cleave, 

Godin, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Harding, 

Horner, 

Howard (Skeena), 

Howe, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Korchinski, 



Yeas 
Messrs. 

Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Laprise, 
La Salle, 
Latulippe, 
Lewis, 
Lundrigan, 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis (Cape 

Breton-East 

Richmond), 
Maclnnis (Mrs.), 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 
McGrath, 



McKinley, 

Marshall, 

Mather, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Muir, 

Murta, 

Nesbitt, 

Nystrom, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Rondeau, 

Rose, 

Rowland, 



Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Saltsman, 

Scott, 

Skoberg, 

Southam, 

Stanfleld, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Yewchuk— 79. 



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Allmand, 


Crossman, 


Anderson, 


Cyr, 


Andras, 


Danson, 


Badanai, 


Davis, 


Barrett, 


Deachman, 


Bechard, 


Deakon, 


Beer, 


De Bane, 


Benson, 


Douglas 


Blouin, 


(Assiniboia), 


Borrie, 


Dubd, 


Boulanger, 


Dupras, 


Breau, 


Duquet, 


Buchanan, 


Forest, 


Caccia, 


Forget, 


Cafik, 


Foster, 


Chappell, 


Francis, 


Chretien, 


Gendron, 


Clermont, 


Gervais, 


Cobbe, 


Gibson, 


Comtois, 


Gillespie, 


Corbin, 


Givens, 


Corriveau, 


Goode, 


Cot* (Longueuil), 


Groos, 



Nays 
Messrs. 
Guay (St. Boniface), 
Hellyer, 
Hogarth, 
Hopkins, 
Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 
MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
Mackasey, 
McNulty, 



Mahoney, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Kamloops- 

Cariboo), 
Morison, 
Munro, 
Murphy, 
Noel, 

O'Connell, 
Olson, 
Osier, 
Otto, 
Pelletier, 
Penner, 
Pepin, 
Perrault, 
Pringle, 
Reid, 
Robinson, 
Rochon, 

Roy (Timmins), 
Roy (Laval), 



Serr4, 
Sharp, 
Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
St. Pierre, 
Tolmie, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whiting, 
Yanakis — 105. 



On motion of Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, the said bill was concurred in at the report 
stage, on division. 

Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — 
That the said biU be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved in amendment thereto, — That all 



the words after "That" be struck out and the following 
substituted: 

"Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security 
Act, be not now read a third time as this House is 
opposed to a BiU which fails to include any adequate 
cost of living provision in respect of the basic amount of 
the monthly pension." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said amendment, it was negatived on the following 
division: 



Yeas 
Messrs. 



Alexander, 


Fairweather, 


Lambert 


McGrath, 


Rose, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fortin, 


(Edmonton West), 


McKinley, 


Rowland, 


Baldwin, 


Gilbert, 


Laprise, 


Marshall, 


Ryan, 


Beaudoin, 


Godin, 


La Salle, , 


Mather, 


Rynard, 


Bell, 


Grills, 


Latulippe, 


Mazankowski, 


Saltsman, 


Benjamin, 


Gundlock, 


Lewis, 


Monteith, 


Scott, 


Bigg, 


Hales, 


Lundrigan, 


Muir, 


Skoberg, 


Broadbent, 


Harding, 


MacEwan, 


Murta, 


Southam, 


Burton, 


Horner, 


Maclnnis (Cape 


Nesbitt, 


Stanfield, 


Cadieu, 


Howard (Skeena), 


Breton-East 


Nystrom, 


Thomas 


Coates, 


Howe, 


Richmond), 


Orlikow, 


(Moncton), 


Comeau, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Peters, 


Thompson 


Crouse, 


North Centre), 


MacLean, 


Ricard, 


(Red Deer), 


Dinsdale, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


Macquarrie, 


Ritchie, 


Thomson 


Dionne, 


Haldimand), 


McCleave, 


Rodrigue, 


(Battleford- 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Korchinski, 


McCutcheon, 


Rondeau, 


Kindersley), 


Cowichan-The 








Yewchuk— 72. 


Islands), 




Nays 
Messrs. 






Allmand, 


Andras, 


Barrett, 


Beer, 


Blouin, 


Anderson, 


Badanai, 


Bechard, 


Benson, 


Borrie, 



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Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Buchanan, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Corriveau, 

C6t6 Glx)ngueuil), 

Crossman, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 

Deakon, 

De Ban^, 



Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Dupras, 
Duquet, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Givens, 
Goode, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guilbault, 
Hellyer, 
Hopkins, 
Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 



Isabelle, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lind, 
Loiselle, 
MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
Mackasey, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Kamloops-Cariboo), 



Morison, 

Munro, 

Murphy, 

Noel, 

O'ConneU, 

Olson, 

Osier, 

Pelletier, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Pringle, 

Reid, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Serre, 

Sharp, 



Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
St. Pierre, 
Toknie, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Carleton), 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelein, 
Whiting— 100. 



And the question being put on the main motion, it 
was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this 
House that the Senate had agreed to the amendment 
made by the House of Commons to Bill S-6, An Act to 
£unend the Anti-dumping Act, without any amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this 
House that the Senate had passed Bill C-177, An Act re- 
specting cooperative associations, without any amend- 
ment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this 
House that the Senate had passed BiU C-211, An Act for 
granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the 
public service for the financial year ending the 31st 
March, 1971. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.54 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate, the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membershi'p 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. McKinley for Mr. Moore on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. Lind and Weatherhead for Messrs. Barrett 
and Harries on the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 

Messrs. Gibson, Weatherhead, Duquet, Comtois, Mc- 
Quaid, Marshall, Clermont and Blouin for Messrs. 
Lefebvre, Boulanger, Blouin, Clermont, Comeau, Mc- 
Cleave, Duquet and Weatherhead on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Regional Development. 

Mr. Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo) for Mr. Breau on 
the Special Joint Committee on the Constitution of 
Canada. 

Messrs. Harries and Roy (Timmins) for Messrs. Guay 
(St. Boniface) and Stewart (Cochrane) on the Standing 
Committee on National Resources and Public Works. 

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) for Mr. Peters 
on the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organiza- 
tion. 

Mr. Mazankowski for Mr. Downey on the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture. 



At 11.16 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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PRAYERS 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 
subject-matter of the Petition presented to the House 
by the honourable Member for Cape Breton-East Rich- 
mond (Mr. Maclnnis) on December 10, 1970, with 
respect to pension arrangements under the Cape 
Breton Development Corporation Act be referred to 
the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



Mr. Hales, from the Standing Committee on Public 
Accounts, presented the Second Report of the said 
Conunittee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Friday, October 
30, 1970, your Committee has considered the Public 
Accounts for the year ended March 31, 1969, the Auditor 
General's Report thereon and the evidence adduced by 
the Committee during the past Session in relation 
thereto. 

With reference to paragraph numbered 8, starting 
on page 8 of the aforementioned Auditor General's 
Report, titled Office of the Auditor General, youi 



Committee considered relevant correspondence and 
documents and heard the following persons: 
Mr. A. M. Henderson, Auditor General; 
Mr. George Long, Assistant Auditor General; 
The Honourable C. M. Drury, President of the 

Treasury Board; 
Mr. J. P. Connell, Deputy Secretary of the Treasury 
Board responsible for the Personnel Policy Branch; 
The Committee concerning the Review of the Con- 
version Evaluation of positions in the Office of the 
Auditor General: 
Mr. G. L. Bennett, Chairman; 
Mr. J. C. Duncan, member; 
Mr. L. G. BonneU, member. 

We feel a permanent solution regarding the classifica- 
tion of the Auditor General's staff may weU be resolved 
in a new Auditor General's Act or in the event that it 
is decided to remove the entire staff from the Public 
Service in recognition of the unique nature of the 
Auditor General's vital role. 



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Members of the Public Accounts Committee are 
deeply concerned over the serious problem felt by the 
Auditor General regarding the classification of 28 of his 
office staff. In order to deal with this urgent and complex 
problem, we recommend that a suitable bench mark be 
established within the Auditor General's office to which 
his staff classifications can be related, and we urge that 
such a bench mark be established in consultation with 
the Auditor General prior to February 1, 1971. 

In the event that satisfaction is not achieved suitable 
to the Auditor General and his staff, it is recommended 
that they then employ the approved grievance procedures 
available to them. 

Copies of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issues Nos. 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7) are tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 15 
to the Journals). 



Mr. Weatherhead, from the Standing Committee on 
Labour, Manpower and Immigration, presented the 
First Report of the said Committee, which is as 
follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Wednesday, 
June 17, 1970, which reads as follows: 

"That the White Paper on Unemployment Insurance 

tabled this day be referred to the Standing Conmuttee 

on Labour, Manpower and Immigration"; 

your Committee commenced its study of the White 
Paper on Unemployment Insurance during the Second 
Session of the Twenty -Eighth Parliament. 

In response to an invitation contained in a Press 
Release of June 26, 1970, and in individual letters issued 
by Mr. David Weatherhead, M.P., Chairman of the Com- 
mittee, 53 briefs and 18 letters from organizations and 
individuals pertaining to the White Paper have been 
received by the Conmiittee. 

Your Committee began its hearings on Tuesday, 
Se£tember 15, 1970, and completed them on Tuesday, 
Nove mber 3, 1 370. Since the Committee had not com- 
"pieted its study during the Second Session of the Twenty- 
Eighth Parliament, it presented a report to the House 
recommending that the same Order of Reference and 
the evidence adduced be referred to it again as one of 
the first items of business in the Third Session of the 
Twenty-Eighth Parliament. 

On October 9, 1970, the House made the following 
Order: — 

"That the White Paper entitled Unemployment 
Insurance in the 70's, laid before the House, June 17, 
1970, and the evidence adduced by the Committee in 
its study of the aforementioned matter during the 
Second Session of the Twenty-Eighth Parliament be 



referred to the Standing Committee on Labour, Man- 
power and Immigration". 

Your Committee held 18 meetings in the Second 
Session and 12 in the present Session, bringing the total 
number of meetings on the White Paper to 30. 

During the course of its hearings, the Committee 
heard evidence from 33 organizations. Attached is the 
list of witnesses in the order of their appearance and 
dates of appearance (See Appendix A). Briefs submitted 
by organizations but not presented orally at sittings of 
the Committee were considered by the members in their 
written form. (For list of those organizations see Appen- 
dix B). Letters submitted by organizations and indivi- 
duals containing comments and recommendations were 
distributed to the members of the Committee (See 
Appendix C). 

In accordance with the wishes of the Committee, all 
briefs and letters submitted to it, irrespective of whether 
organizations and individuals appeared before it or not, 
have been printed as appendices to its Minutes of 
Proceedings and Evidence. (See Issues 10 to 20 Second 
Session, Twenty-Eighth Parliament and Issues 1 to 9 
Third Session, Twenty-Eighth Parliament). 

The Honourable Bryce Mackasey, Minister of Laboxir 
and officials of the Unemployment Insurance Commis- 
sion appeared before the Committee at the beginning 
and the close of the hearings. 

Your Committee wishes to thank all organizations and 
individuals who submitted briefs and letters or appeared 
as witnesses at the hearings. 

Your Committee also wishes to express its gratitude 
to Miss Santosh Sirpaul the Clerk of the Committee and 
its consultant, Professor Gilles Paquet, for their tremen- 
dous help and cooperation during the hearings and in 
the preparation of this Report to the House. 

Finally, your Committee wishes to express its thanks 
to all the Branches and related Services of the House 
for their assistance. 



CHAPTER I 



INTRODUCTION 



The White Paper on Unemployment Insurance in the 
70's presents a new strategy to deal with interruption 
of earnings as a source of economic insecurity. 

In order to deal effectively with the White Paper 
proposals, we have patterned our report after the main 
sections of the White Paper. Consequently our report 
falls into four broad sections as follows: — 

(1) Philosophy 

(2) The major dimensions of the proposals: — 
1. — Coverage 

2.— Eligibility 
3. — Benefits 
4. — Financing 



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(3) Coordination with other agencies 

(4) Implementation 

For each of these issues, we shall comment in three 
stages: first we shall specify the main issues and we will 
summarize the views presented to the Committee on 
these; secondly, we will present a few comments to 
clarify the issues; thirdly, we shall put forward the 
recommendations endorsed by the Committee. 

CHAPTER II 
PHILOSOPHY 
A. Main Issues 

The White Paper's philosophy consists of two main 
elements. 

1. A broad approach to problems of economic insecu- 
rity from which it derives two basic objectives of the 
new plan (a) coping with the contingency of interrup- 
tion of earnings and (b) facilitating reabsorption into 
productive activity. 

2. The delineation of a segment of the total problem 
of economic insecurity and the use of a social insurance 
plan to deal with this segment. 

1 — In general, there was little objection to the 
broad outlines of the new framework to deal with 
problems of economic insecurity presented in the 
White Paper. There was some argument, however, 
against the precise problem at hand being surrounded 
by such a broad framework. For instance, one view 
stated: 

"The Canadian public is not merely being asked to 
consider the merits of changes to Unemployment 
Insurance. It is also being asked to make a value 
judgement on broad philosophical statements. It is 
incongruous that the White Paper contains this mix 
of purpose.'" 

Neither at the time the briefs were submitted nor 
during the hearings, have the two basic objectives 
defined by the White Paper been singled out as aims 
that should not be pursued. Most of the debate was 
therefore not on the broad framework but on the 
specific strategy to achieve these aims. 

2 — The proposal to deal with only a segment of the 
problem was questioned before the Conunittee. Some 
witnesses insisted that their acceptance of and their 
commitment to the principles expressed in the White 
Paper led them to raise questions about the nature 
of its recommendations. To their mind a logical con- 
clusion to be derived from the principles of the 
White Paper is that "protection against loss of ade- 
quate income for all Canadians, not only those cur- 



rently related to the labour force under certain sti- 
pulated conditions'" is in order. 

In the same vein, other witnesses spoke about a 
program which would be truly universal in its appUca- 
tion and which would "provide benefits as a natural 
right rather than through acquired eligibility.'" 

While most witnesses did not object to progress 
being made in one area, there was some concern that 
improvement of one part of the social institutions to 
combat economic insecurity should not be construed 
as reducing the acute need for streamlining other di- 
mensions or segments of the Canadian approach to 
economic insecurity. Numerous references were made 
to the anticipated White Paper on Income Security and 
Report of the Senate Committee on Poverty. 

A logical extension of the argument against a specific 
improvement to our social institutions is the recognition 
that a social insurance plan may not be extensive enough. 
Consequently both the Canadian Welfare Council Staff 
Submission and the Canadian Teachers' Federation 
questioned the choice of a social insurance plan. But 
this is less of an objection to the usefulness of a social 
insurance plan to perform the function at hand than a 
plea for a broader welfare-type objective which encom- 
passes a much broader span than the one covered by 
the White Paper proposal. 

Conversely, the Canadian Association of Equipment 
Distributors stated "that the proposals of the White 
Paper seem to go well beyond the realm of pure insurance 
and enter the field of welfare."* 

In consequence, depending on the breadth of goals 
and objectives defined by the witnesses, the proposed 
social insurance plan was at times regarded as either too 
narrowly or too broadly stretched. 

B. Review of Main Objectives of White Paper Proposals 

The White Paper recognizes two sorts of curtailment 
of income: interruption of earnings which is presumed 
to be temporary and loss of earnings which may be pre- 
sumed to be permanent. Causes of loss of earnings refer 
to instances such as death, divorce, desertion of bread- 
winner, permanent disability, etc. . . . while causes of 
interruption of earnings might be work-related accident, 
illness, maternity or involuntary unemployment. 

The White Paper attempts to deal in a comprehensive 
manner with interruption of earnings arising from all 
principal causes excepting those covered by the Work- 
men's Compensation Legislation. In this sense, the 
White Paper proposals provide for interruption of earn- 
ings. It explicitly excludes cases where there is loss of 
income. Besides maintaining income during a temporary 



» Vancouver Board of Trade. See Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th Parliament, October 27, 1970, Issue 
No. 6, Appendix A-39. p. 108. 



» Canadian Welfare Council. See Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th Parliament, October 13, 1970, Issue 
No. 1, Appendix A-14, p. 101. 

>The Canadian Teachers' Federation. See Minutes of Proceed- 
ings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th Parliament, October 13, 1970, 
Issue No. 1, Appendix A-12, p. 80. 

« See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th 
Parliament, October 22. 1970, Issue No. 5, Appendix A-22, p. 44. 



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interruption of earnings, the new plan proposes to 
provide assistance in the process of reabsorption into 
productive activity. 

The White Paper proposals constitute therefore a 
comprehensive commitment to deal with the problem of 
interruption of earnings. This limits its application to 
those who have earnings. It cannot be denied that there 
are other contingencies than those causing interruption 
of earnings but the contention of the White Paper is 
that they can be handled more effectively by comple- 
mentary means. 

Some witnesses expressed support for the guaranteed 
annual income. During the hearings, it was not clearly 
established that a guaranteed annual income would 
serve to remove the need for auxiliary machinery to 
deal with interruption of earnings from employment. 
Consequently a guaranteed annual income and other 
welfare measures discussed are seen by the Committee 
to be complementary to rather than a substitute for the 
White Paper proposals. 

Another source of confusion has to do with the nature 
of a social insurance plan. Those who have criticized 
the proposed plan for going beyond 'pure insurance 
principles' have very often confused private and social 
insurance. While the labels are similar the intent and 
form differ greatly. Private insurance is voluntary, is 
exercised through contracts, provides protection against 
contingencies through a pooling arrangement and main- 
tains a close relation between contributions and benefits. 
Social insurance is compulsory, its benefits are pre- 
scribed by law, it redistributes income in addition to 
providing protection through pooling arrangements and 
it is a government monopoly. 

C. RECOMMENDATIONS 

In the light of evidence received, the Committee 

(1) endorses the broad approach to problems of 
economic insecurity presented in the White Paper. 

(2) supports the two basic objectives 

(a) of coping with the contingency of interruption 
of earnings and 

(b) of facilitating reabsorption into productive ac- 
tivity. 

(3) supports the social insurance approach. 

(4) recommends a review of any legislation be 
undertaken at least every 10 years. 



CHAPTER III 



COVERAGE 



A. Main Issues 

For our purposes, coverage may be considered under 
three headings: 

1. The White Paper introduces the concept of uni- 
versal coverage of all types of employment with a few 
specific exceptions. 



2. The exclusion of casual workers who earn less than 
$25.00 per week. 

3. The exclusion, for administrative and jurisdictional 
reasons, of: 

(i) self-employed 

(ii) nationals of other countries working for an agency 

(iii) special cases 

(iv) the provincial employee unless the provinces opt 

to cover all their employees 

1. Universal Coverage 

There has been a general support for universal cov- 
erage except for a few groups of employees and em- 
ployers objecting on the grounds of an allegedly mini- 
mal or non-existant risk of interruption of earnings. 

2. Casual Worker 

Regarding the White Paper defijiition of a casual 
Worker, those briefs making reference to it expressed 
concern. Some briefs have expressed concern because 
the Casual Worker in certain highly paid occupations 
would qualify for unemployment insurance benefits with 
very few hours of work while a worker in lower paid 
occupations would need to work longer hours in order 
to qualify.' 

Some witnesses suggest that hours worked would con- 
stitute a more equitable rule. In this connection, the 
Canadian Manufacturer's Association suggests 24 hours 
per week as a rule. Domtar notes some possible inter- 
provincial disparities in earnings which might lead to 
inequities in the $25.00 rule. They suggest a "percentage 
of the industrial composite of average weekly wages 
and salaries in each Province". . . The suggested per- 
centage is 25%.* The Retail Council of Canada makes 
similar comments on the inequity of "any dollar figure". 
It is suggested by them that a rule of 20 hours per week 
is more appropriate.' 

The Canadian Labour Congress is concerned about the 
exclusion of the casual worker and recommends that the 
present system of half-contributions for such employees 
be retained. 

In most cases, inequities inherent, in the use of the 
twenty-five dollar weekly figure must be conceded but it 
would seem that the complexities of the many modes of 
remuneration bar any use of a time-of-work rule. Hence 
we are left with the suggestion of keeping the half- 
contributions or to provide a variable and better ad- 
justed dollar figure. 



5 For the Canadian Construction Association: "this appears to 
discriminate against the worker who, because of his lack of skill 
may find it more difficult to secure employment or employment 
at an above minimum wage rate — the very person who needs 
assistance most". See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd 
Session, 28th Parliament, September 23. 1970. Issue No. 15. Appen- 
dix "W". p. 100, 

« See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 29, 1970. Issue No, 17, Appendix A-1. p, 99, 

' See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session. 28th 
Parliament. September 17, 1970. Issue No. 12. Appendix "P". p. 
118-119. 



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3. Exclusion for Administrative and Jurisdictional 
Reasons 

The committee noted that there were very few dis- 
agreements with the proposed exclusions of certain 
groups from benefits because of administrative problems. 

The need for more protection for the earnings of the 
self-employed has been considered. For example, the 
Newfoundland Federation of Fishermen expressed their 
opposition to the exclusion of self-employed fishermen 
from unemployment insurance coverage. Evidence sug- 
gests, however, that this need would not be met fairly 
and efficiently within Unemployment Insurance legisla- 
tion. It is the view of the Committee that the needs of 
certain groups of self-employed be met through auxiliary 
programs. 

B. Comments 

The major arguments in support of universal coverage 
presented by the briefs would seem to indicate that, in 
a contemporary Canada, the contingency of an inter- 
ruption of earnings is not restricted to certain groups as 
it may have been in earlier years. As the Canadian 
Manufacturers Association put it, "All employed persons 
are exposed to risk at certain points in time."" The 
removal of the salary ceiling was supported by the Gill 
Committee and by the Interdepartmental Committee 
which studied the Gill recommendations so that on this 
count there is substantial support for the proposed 
change. 

Because the contingency of interruption of earnings 
is now so widespread, there should be no employee 
exclusion on the basis of the employer's form of organ- 
ization. In our view, for example, employees of non-profit 
institutions should have access to UIC benefits. 



The exclusion of the self-employed and those em- 
ployees who do not have an "arms-length" relationship 
with their employer (a spouse for instance) appears 
valid. 

Inclusion of such groups would pose extreme ad- 
ministrative problems. 

A question arose in connection with the distinction 
made between the casual and non-casual worker: While 
the establishment of a "minimum number of hours" 
rule to establish entitlement to benefits is impractical 
because of the great diversity of methods of remunera- 
tion, it appeared to the Committee that the method 
proposed in the White Paper could be improved. 

Two solutions were placed before our Committee, one 
would favour the continuance of the present practice of 
half-contributions to qualify the casual workers; and the 
other would propose an adjustment in the earnings- 
rule to reflect the different circumstances existing in 
the several regions of Canada. The argument for the 
retention of the half contributions formula is impractical 
in view of the reduced eligibility requirements as 
proposed. 

RECOMMENDATIONS 

C. In the light of the evidence examined, the Committee 

(1) endorses universal coverage with exclusions only 
for constitutional or administrative reasons. 

(2) Since arguments for both a built-in escalation 
clause and a regional adjustment factor are convincing 
if they do not involve excessive administrative costs, 
we recommend that either a $25.00 minimum earn- 
ing-rule to define a bona fide member of the labour 
force should apply or a minimum earning-rule estab- 
lished as a percentage of the industrial composite of 
average weekly wages and salaries in each province* 
whichever is lesser. 



» See Minute* of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 17, 1970, Issue No. 12, Appendix "N", p. 
101. 



' For example the figures would be as follows based on the 
averages for 1967; 1968 and 1969 if 25% were used. 



Industrial Composite 
1967 1968 



1969 



Newfoundland 90.92 

P.E.I 70.58 

Nova Scotia 82.64 

New Brunswick 85 . 25 

Quebec 101 . 16 

Ontario 105.86 

Manitoba 91 .95 

Saskatchewan 95 . 77 

Alberta 100.86 

B.C 114.50 

Yukon 114.38 

N.W.T 158.87 



99.15 


106.00 


72.41 


80.87 


88.19 


94.51 


89.55 


96.80 


107.92 


114.24 


11.3.52 


121.55 


100.46 


107.67 


102.11 


107.90 


108.02 


117.95 


120.76 


129.35 


160.74 


173.45 


169.11 


169.00 



1967 



22.73 
17.65 
20.66 
21.31 
25.29 
26.47 
22.99 
23.94 
25.22 
28.62 
36.10 
39.72 



25% 
1968 



24.79 
18.10 
22.05 
22.39 
26.98 
28.38 
25.12 
25.53 
27.01 
.30.19 
40,19 
42.28 



1969 



26.50 
20.22 
23.63 
24.20 
28.56 
30.39 
26.92 
26.98 
29.49 
32.34 
43.36 
42.25 



24168—15 



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CHAPTER IV 

ELIGIBILITY 

A. Main Issues 

The question of eligibility must be considered in 
light of the basic functions which unemployment in- 
surance is designed to serve. 

Eligibility establishes: 

(a) the conditions under which an employee may 
receive benefits; 

(b) the type and extent of benefits based on such 
factors as length of employment and the type of 
earning interruption. 

Under the White Paper proposals, the factors which 
establish eligibility determine the type of benefit entitle- 
ment and the point at which an unemployed person 
enters the plan. Terms of eligibility should have two 
aims. The system must assure that bona fide claims are 
accepted and that adequate safeguards exist to prevent 
a proliferation of fraudulent claims. Overly-stringent 
eligibility provisions could result in a rejection of bona 
fide claims and eligibility provisions which are loosely- 
drawn would be contrary to the public interest because 
of a higher probability of unjustified claims. 

The White Paper proposes eligibility conditions which 
aim to minimize the probability of bono fide claims 
being rejected. Supplementary control procedures are 
proposed as safeguards. 

Specifically the White Paper proposes to: 

1. Retain the three main conditions for eligibility (i) 
if an employee has experienced an interruption of 
earnings'" and is therefore unemployed; (ii) if he is 
capable and available for work; (iii) if he is unable to 
find suitable employment: but, with easier qualification 
for benefits and the establishment of different points 
of entry to the benefit structure. Moreover, the White 
Paper eligibility rules take account both of the type of 
interruption of earnings experienced by an individual, 
his length of time in the work force, his length of un- 
employment, and the general unemployment situation. 

All of these factors figure in the five phases of the 
White Paper plan. 

2. Qualification barriers are lowered. While the present 
act requires 30 contribution weeks in the last 104 weeks 
with the additional proviso that at least 8 of these con- 
tribution weeks be in the last 52 weeks, the new plan 
provides admissibility to monetary benefits with as 
little as 8 weeks during the last 52. 

3. Establish two points of entry into and two corres- 
ponding routes through the benefit structure. For persons 
with an attachment to the labour force ranging from 
8 to 19 weeks in the last 52, the point of entry is Phase 
2; lor persons with an attachment of 20 weeks or more 
in the last 52 weeks, the point of entry is Phase 1. 



Moreover the second group qualifies for special un- 
employment benefits (Sickness, Maternity and Retire- 
ment) beyond those provided under the 5 phases. 

4. Provide a waiting period of two weeks in lieu of 
the present practice of a one-week waiting period. 

5. Determine the eligibility for Phase 5 benefits on 
the basis of the regional unemployment rate relative 
to the national unemployment rate. 

The Committee heard a diversity of views on a ma- 
jority of the five points. 

1. Eligibility Conditions 

Except for statements such as the one presented by 
the Canadian Teachers' Federation in which they ask 
"that such a program provide benefits as a natural right 
rather than through acquired eligibility"", there was 
general support in the briefs and hearings for the easier 
eligibility conditions. Disagreement tended to centre on 
certain details. 

There was general support for the White Paper pro- 
posals to assure that bona fide claims are accepted and 
with the decision to specify diverse pomts of entry and 
routes into the system. 

There were neither objections to the eligibility con- 
ditions nor controversy regarding the weight proposed 
for the factors which initiate a benefit. If any general 
conclusion is to be drawn from the evidence, it is 
that the new eligibility conditions are a considerable 
improvement over the present ones. 

2. Lower Qualification Barriers 

With respect to the question of reducing the qualify- 
ing attachment to the labour market, certain differences 
were apparent. Representatives of labour bodies wel- 
comed the proposed reduction while spokesmen for 
certain employer organizations questioned whether a 
labour force attachment of as little as eight weeks would 
constitute an entitlement. Those who opposed the low- 
ering of entrance requirements suggested that abuses 
would be generated and that temporary and casual 
workers would draw unemployment insurance benefits. 
Those who supported the proposal welcomed the pro- 
posed protection provided by unemployment insurance 
for new entrants into the labour force. 

To the extent that there has been a change in the 
nature of the clientele that experiences or is likely 
to experience an interruption of earnings if the new plan 
is to be effective, it would appear necessary to revise 
the eligibility conditions as proposed in the White 
Paper. 

3. Two Points of Entry 

None of the submissions challenged directly the de- 
sign of two points of entry to the benefit structure and 
of two routes for claimants depending on the length of 



" Under the White Paper definition of cause of interruption of 
earnings, maternity, retirement and sickness are included. 



" See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 2flth 
Parliament, October 13, 1970, Issue No. 1, Appendix A-12, p. 80. 



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their labour force attachment. Some rejected the idea 
of "acquired eligibility". While some of the benefits 
proposed by the new plan were questioned, the eligi- 
bility rules attached to them were not. It was recog- 
nized that benefits adequate for workers with a long 
work force attachment might not be suitable for work- 
ers with a limited labour force attachment. 

4. Waiting Period 

The increase in the waiting period was a point on 
which opinions differed markedly. One organization 
wanted no waiting period at all and benefits to start 
on the first day." However, the majority of witnesses 
accepted the need for some waiting period even if the 
hardship which it necessarily entailed was emphasized." 
The same line of reasoning led another group to sug- 
gest "that the waiting period for unemployment in- 
surance benefits be related to annual earnings"." 

The waiting period is needed to establish that there 
is a valid interruption of earnings. This is especially im- 
portant if the barriers to entry are lowered and if the 
level of benefits is increased as proposed. The intent 
is to deal with real interruptions of earnings while 
ensuring that the ability to maintain non-deferrable ex- 
penses in the face of income decline is not seriously 
impaired. 

The length of this waiting period cannot be deter- 
mined in isolation. Indeed in the same way as some 
would relate the hardship of such a waiting period to 
the previous level of claimant income, it is essential to 
relate it to the other dimensions of the eligibility condi- 
tions and to the structure of benefits. If the waiting 
period were to be reduced to one week, an unemployed 
person might make more money by remaining unem- 
ployed if the proposed White Paper structure and level 
of benefits were to apply. This would constitute a dis- 
incentive to seek re-employment and invite abuse. With 
a two week waiting period, even should the unemployed 
person get back into productive activity on the first day 
of the third week he could not obtain higher aggregate 
earnings for the first five weeks than he would had he 
remained in gainful employment. 

There are also reasons to believe that the ability to 
meet deferrable expenditures while the interruption of 
earnings is established is, in most cases, assured. In 
the cases where hardship is entailed, it would appear 
preferable to establish an alternative method to meet 
the problem rather than to abolish the unconditional 
benefits of phase 1 or to introduce a reduction in the 
level of benefits. 



" The United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of Amer- 
ica, See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 29, 1970, Issue No. 17, Appendix A-4, p, 
U3. 

" Canadian Labour Congress, See Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, October 6, 1970. Issue 
No. 20. Appendix A-11, p 65. 

'« Domtar Ltd., See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd 
Session, 28th Parliament, September 29, 1970, Issue No. 17, Appen- 
dix A-1, p. 99. 

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5. Eligibility for Phase 5 

Certain groups expressed opposition to the linking of 
eligibility and benefits to conditions of the economic 
environment. They oppose the tailoring of benefits to 
regional circumstances. 

One organization expressed its "dismay" that the 
White Paper proposed number of weeks of entitlement 
would be related to the rate of unemployment.^' Yet 
numerous analyses have shown "the duration of unem- 
ployment to vary with the state of the economy, the 
average duration lengthening as overall unemployment 
levels climb".'" If such is the case, it is reasonable to 
lengthen the entitlement period in regions where the 
unemployment rate is higher (phase 5) and to lengthen 
it also across the country when the overall unemploy- 
ment rate rises (phase 3). 

B. Comments 

The central problem of the eligibility question is to 
determine whether this mix of elements (eligibility 
conditions dependent on both individual and environ- 
mental circumstances with lower barrier to entry, a 
longer waiting period and different points of entry) is 
likely to improve significantly the performance of the 
plan and whether it will assure the acceptance of bona 
fide claims. We believe that the answer lies in the 
affirmative. From the observations noted in section A, 
it would appear that concern may be due principally to 

(a) a lack of understanding of the overall purpose of 
the eligibility rules and of each of the benefit stages. 

(b) the lack of explanation in the White Paper about 
the exact function of the waiting period. 

(c) a need for further explanation of the balance be- 
tween the individual and environmental circumstances 
in the eligibility roles. 

This has led some interested parties to suggest altera- 
tions in the proposed plan which would in our view lead 
to a major shift in purpose. We have attempted to 
approach the real difficulties raised by the briefs in a 
way which would preserve the integrity of the eligibility 
conditions. 

RECOMMENDATIONS 

C. In the light of evidence received and examined, the 
Committee 

(1) endorses the proposed eligibility rules dependent 
on both individual and environmental circumstances, 
characterized by lower barriers to entry, a longer waiting 
period and a greater differentiation of points of entry 
and routes through the system. 

(2) expresses concern about the difficulties encountered 
by interested citizens in fully grasping the rationale for 
this more complex if more adequate structure and 
recommends that a campaign of information be launched, 
as soon as legislation is passed, to communicate the 

''• Canadian Labour Congress, See Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, October 6, 1970, Issue 
No. 20, Appendix A-11, p. 66. 

'"Sylvia Ostry, Unemployment in Canada, Ottawa 1968. p. 21. 



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logic of the purpose and the functioning of the new 
plan to the public. 

(3) recognizes the importance of a balance between 
individual and environmental factors in defining 
eligibility. 

CHAPTER V 
BENEFITS 
A. Main Issues 

The White Paper proposes a diversity of benefits for 
a diversified clientele. These are in the form of cash, 
services and/or information according to the require- 
ments of the claimant. The benefits are tailored to the 
circumstances of the individual in order to alleviate 
the financial effects of an interruption of earnings and 
to increase the probability that the claimant will be 
reabsorbed as soon as possible into productive activity. 

Claimants would be eligible for various types and 
amounts of monetary benefits. There was neither una- 
nimity on the adequacy or acceptability of the sug- 
gested level of monetary benefits, nor on their duration. 
Finally there was lack of unanimity on the package 
which these benefits formed. While some expressed con- 



cern that benefits were overly generous, others main- 
tained they were insufficient and inadequate. 

Finally misgivings were expressed about the proposed 
information and counselling services. In particular it 
was felt there should be a distinction between benefit 
control procedures, and interviews designed to assist the 
claimant both in his job search and in the identification 
of the source of his problem. 

The Committee noted with approval the statement of 
the Honourable Bryce Mackasey, Minister of Labour, of 
November 3, 1970 to the effect that he favoured a strict 
separation of the benefit control function from the claim- 
ant assistance function." 

In order to proceed through an orderly discussion of 
the benefit structure we wUl deal in turn with the 
following propositions. 

1 . The White Paper proposes that the UIC provide 
some claimant assistance benefits and some monetary 
benefits for covered persons who experience an inter- 
ruption of earnings due to lay-off, illness, maternity and 
retirement. 

'' See, Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th 
Parliament. November 3, 1970. Issue No. 8. Appendix A-48, p. 54. 



TABLE P» 
BENEFIT STRUCTURE 



Type 



Identification 



Eligibility 



Duration 



Rate 



Financing 



Regular 
Unemploy- 
ment Benefit 



Phase 1 



20 or more 
employment weeks 
in past 52 



3 weeks paid in 
advance after two 
week waiting 
period 
Maximum 3 weeks 



66§% of earnings 
with maximum 
of $100 per week 



Employees — flat 
rate employers — 
experience rate 
government pays 
extra cost when 
national unemp. 
rate exceeds 4% 



(a) 



Phase 2 
8-16 wks.- 8 ben. wks. 

16 " - 9 " 

17 " -10 » 

18 " -11 

19 " -12 

(2 calendar weeks 
allowed to draw each 
benefit week) 

Phase 3 



8-19 employment 
weeks in past 52 
— available after 
phase 1 or a.s an 
entrance to the 
system 



National unemp. 
rate: 0-4% (b) 
predetermined at 
time claimant 
emerges from 
phase 2 



8-12 weeks in 
bi-weekly payments 
after two weeks 
waiting period if 
entering system 
Maximum 12 weeks 



10 weeks 



Same as phase 1 



Same as phase 1 



Same as phase 1 
although 75% 
provided after 10th 
week with 
dependants 



Shared by 
employee and 
employer up 
to 4% and full 
cost borne by 
government 
over 4% (a) 



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TABLE l''^ 
BENEFIT STRUCTURE— cont'd. 



Type 



Identiiicatiou 



Eligibility 



Duration 



Rate 



Financing 



Phase 4 



Phase 5 



Special Sickness 

Unemployment 

BeneGls 



Maternity 



over 4-up to 5% 
over 5% 

predetermined after 
10th week 

Labour force 
attachment 
less than 20 wks. 
20 wks. 
21 to 52 wks. 
(one benefit week 
for each two 
employment weeks 
iu excess of 20 weeks) 

— available to 
claimants emerg- 
ing from phase 3 
who have 20 or 
more employment 
weeks in past 

52 weeks 

Regional unemp. 
rate if regional (c) 
rate is over 4% 
and exceeds 
national rate by: 

up to 1% 
over 1 up to 2% 
over 2 up U) 3% 

over 3% 

— not predetermined 
but available on 
monthly basis for 
claimants who are 
not eligible for 
phase 4 or who 
have exhausted 
phase 4 

Same as phase 1 



Same as phase 1 



4 weeks 
8 weeks 
Maximum 18 weeks 



weeks 

2 " 
3-16 " 
Maximum 18 weeks 



66 1% of earnings 
if single 

75% of earnings 
with dependants 



Same as phase 4 



weeks 

6 " 
12 " 
18 " 

Maximum 18 weeks 
Note: 

maximum entitle- 
ment from 
all Phases is 
limited to 
51 weeks. 



15 weeks after two 
week waiting period 



9 weeks before and 
G weeks after 
confinement after 
two week waiting 
period 



Same as phase 1 



Same as phase 1 



Full cost 
borne by 
government 



Same as phase 4 



Private sector but 
experience rating 
for employer 
applicable. 

Private sector but 
experience rating 
for employer not 
applicable. 



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TABLE r" 
BENEFIT STRUCTURE— conci'd. 



Type 



Identification 



Eligibility 



Duration 



Rate 



Financing 



Retirement 



Same as phase 1 



Same as phase 1 but 
no waiting period 



Same as phase 1 



Private sector but 
experience rating 
for employer not 
applicable. 



Earnings of 25% of benefit rate allowed in phases 2 to 5. 

No earnings allowed in waiting periods or in Sickness and Maternity. 

Earnings ignored in phase 1 and Retirement. 

Maximum benefit is $100 per week in all phases. 

Determination of Unemployment Rate 

(a) — Based on national annual average. 

(b) — Seasonally adjusted three month moving average. 

(c) — Seasonally unadjusted — 12 month moving average for the region. 



"White Paper entitled 'Unemployment Insurance in the 70's' pp. 34-35. 



2. Claimant assistance would be provided by the UIC 
as it is the point of first contact for persons experiencing 
an interruption of earnings. The claimant, whether he 
is eligible or not for monetary benefits could therefore 
receive information regarding the most useful avenues 
of assistance. 

3 . The claimant whose interruption of earnings is due 
to a lay-off, would enter at one of two points of a five- 
phase benefit route. 

(a) the details of the monetary benefit structure for 
these 5 phases are set forth in Table I of the White 
Paper which is reproduced below. 

(b) the proposed level of benefits rate would be 66§% 
of earnings to a maximum of $100 per week in 
piiases 1 and 2; from the latter stages of phase 3 on, 
the rate increase to 75% of earnings for claimants with 
dependents, with the $100 per week maximum ap- 
plicable in all cases. 

(c) the duration of benefits is fixed at 3 weeks for 
phase 1; from 8 to 12 week^ in phase 2; from 10 to 18 
weeks in phase 3, depending on the national unem- 
ployment rate; in phase 4 it varies from 2 to 18 
weeks for those with a labour force attachment of 
more than 20 weeks according to the length of this 
attachment; and in phase 5 from to 18 weeks accord- 
ing to the margin by which the regional unemployment 
rate exceeds the national unemployment rate. The 
duration of benefit entitlement from all phases is 
limited to 51 weeks. 

4.(0) The claimant whose interruption of earnings 
is due to sickness, if his labour force attachment is over 
20 weeks in the last 50 weeks, receives benefits of 
66§% of earnings to a maximum of $100 for up to 15 
weeks after a 2-week waiting period. 



4.(b) The claimant whose interruption of earnings is 
due to pregnancy and whose attachment to the labour 
force constitutes at least 20 weeks in the last 52 weeks 
is entitled, after a two-week waiting period, to benefits 
of 66§% of earnings to a maximum of $100 for 9 weeks 
before and 6 weeks after confinement. 

5. The claimant whose interruption of earnings is due 
to retirement and whose attachment to the labour force 
is 20 weeks or more in the last 52 weeks is entitled 
without any waiting period to benefits of 66§% of 
earnings to a maximum of $100 for 3 weeks. 

6. Claimant assistance benefits or interviews will take 
place at least twice in the benefit stream. 

7. In addition to the various benefits provided by 
UIC, the claimant would be made familiar with available 
programs at all levels of government as well as private 
programs of possible assistance to him. 

In almost all these points, the Committee hearings 
have generated the expression of a diversity of views. 

1. Types of Benefit 

One of the often mentioned points had to do with the 
reassessment of the role of UIC under the new plan. 
Some witnesses who were in sympathy with the benefits 
as described in the White Paper questioned whether the 
UIC was the proper channel through which these benefits 
might be provided. While the case for coordination was 
made by most witnesses, the attempt of the White Paper 
to integrate many of these benefits and services around 
UIC was questioned. However, under questioning, wit- 
nesses revealed that such preferences as to the location 
of these services were of a subsidiary nature and that 
their objections to a UlC-centered system were not due 
to any real concern about effectiveness. 



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Arguments were directed to the particulars of each 
benefit, to the propriety of UIC providing them and to 
the problem of coordinating the benefit structure. 

2. Links with other Government Services 

There was little comment on the White Paper proposal 
to establish a "computerized inventory of all the un- 
employed" and the proposal to provide greater informa- 
tion which would assist the citizen in assessing the avail- 
ability of other Federal, Provincial, Municipal and private 
programs. 

The White Paper is not explicit about the ways in 
which UIC would perform this function. Would this mean 
an expansion in the number of local offices? The "links 
with related government activities" have not been 
delineated. Of necessity, full details are, as yet, lacking 
and consequently most briefs were silent on this issue or 
confined their judgement to approval in principle. 

3. The Structure of Monetary Benefits 

The White Paper proposes that the claimant whose in- 
terruption of earnings is due to a lay-off enters the 
monetary benefit route at one of two points and proceeds 
through a route along which his entitlement is de- 
termined at different check points in the light of his 
individual or environmental circumstances. Some wit- 
nesses and briefs posed questions about the desirability 
of some of these benefits, their level, and their duration. 

(a) The advisability of Phase I benefit was challenged 
on the basis that the "non-returnable lump sum payments 
equivalent to 3-week benefit after two weeks of unem- 
ployment" are "more generous than is necessary or de- 
sirable".'" Others argued that such a benefit would con- 
stitute "a strong incentive to refrain from work or from 
seeking work during the latter part of his waiting period 
because of the reward in the offing"." 

Some suggested that in certain industries, where 
closures for a few days may be necessary, they would be 
faced with "an exodus which would be of at least two 
weeks duration"." 

One opinion suggested that while such a benefit would 
act as an inducement for a worker to get back more 
quickly into productive activity (as the White Paper 
postulates) it is "reprehensible" because "it implies that 
claimants are not looking for work".-- 

While some people may choose to delay their return to 
work in order to obtain the Phase I benefit, the incentive 
to get back into productive activity will be very high after 



" Canadian Institute of Temporary Help and Business Services, 
See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th Par- 
liament, September 29. 1970. Issue No. 17, Appendix A-2, p. 107. 

'" Canadian Construction Association. See Minutes oj Proceed- 
ings and Euidcnce, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament. September 23, 
1970, Issue No. 15. Appendix "W", p. 90, 

" Council of Forest Industries of British Columbia. See Min- 
utes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th Parliament, 
October 27, 1970, Issue No. 6, Appendix A-32, p. 82. 

>" United Auto Workers, See Minutes of Proceedings and Evi- 
dence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, September 22, 1970, Issue 
No. 14. Appendix "T", p. 125. 



the 10th day of unemployment. At present, the tax rate 
on the additional income of an unemployed person when 
he returns to productive activity is very high and it has 
been a disincentive for some to gamble on job oppor- 
tunities which may not pay off. 

However, under the proposed plan since unemployment 
insurance benefits will be taxable this disincentive to re- 
turn to work will be lessened. 

An additional argument in favour of the lump sum 
payment is the fact that there are significant administra- 
tive costs involved in dealing effectively with the tem- 
porarily unemployed who are in need, principally, of 
monetary benefits to carry them over their short inter- 
ruption of earnings. 

Both the incentive aspects of the proposed plan and 
the approach to the question of administrative costs 
constitute moves in the right direction and seem to be 
in line with the developmental philosophy of the White 
Paper. 

(b) The proposed rates of benefits of 66§% of earnings 
to a maximum benefit of $100 have generated some 
debate. However, it can be said that the support given 
to the White Paper position by sources cited by UIC 
officials in their final presentation was most persuasive." 

The Canadian Chamber of Commerce and certain 
other groups judged the benefit ratios as too high. "Such 
a rate would remove from the beneficiary the incentive 
to work".-' The Chamber of Commerce argued for a 
60% ratio of benefits. The same view was advanced by 
the Canadian Institute of Temporary Help and Business 
Services-'^' and similarly by the Canadian Manufacturers 
Association™ and by Domtar*'. 

The argument in support of the 66§ % ratio is based on 
the percentage of normal earnings directed to non-defer- 
rable expenses. These include such items as food, shelter 
space, clothing, health care, etc. Calculations of the per- 
centage of expenditures falling in this category from 
data provided by DBS (Urban Family Expenditures 
Survey) has revealed^ that in 1959 for families with 
yearly income between $2,500 and $3,500, the percentage 
exceeded 70% and for families with incomes between 
$3,500 and $5,000, non-deferrable expenses represented 
slightly less than 60% of income. 



23 Document on non-deferrable expenditures. See Minutes of 
Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th Parliament, October 
29, 1970, Issue No, 7, Appendix A-40, p. 64-71. 

•-' See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament. September 30, 1970, Issue No. 18, Appendix A-5, p. 85. 

"^ See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 29, 1970, Issue No. 17, Appendix A-2, p. 
107. 

2" See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 17, 1970, Issue No. 12, Appendix "N", 
p. 100. 

''' See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament. September 29, 1970, Issue No. 17, Appendix A-1, 
p. 100. 

-'" See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th 
Parliament, October 29, 1970, Issue No. 7, Appendix A-40. p. 64-71. 



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In the light of these figures, the White Paper's pro- 
posal for a benefit ratio of 66§% appears to have validity. 

Moreover it is possible to provide ample evidence that 
as unemployment continues certain deferrable expendi- 
tures become non-deferrable. Consequently, there is a 
strong prima facie case for increasing benefit rates 
especially for workers with dependents. This appears to 
be the reasoning behind the proposed increase in the 
benefit ratio to 75% in Phase III i.e. after 18 to 25 weeks 
of unemployment. As explained by UIC officials in their 
memorandum regarding the self-adjusting features of the 
system, these percentages would be subject to a $100 
ceiling which would be adjusted yearly on the basis of a 
moving average of "average annual earnings". 

Consequently, the case for the proposed range of bene- 
fit ratio is very sti-ong. Indeed, if one recalls that these 



benefits are taxable, the actual benefit received will carry 
between 66^% at the low income level to less than 55% 
at the higher income portion . of the range. The 
effective benefits are, in fact, well in line with the 
suggestions advanced by a number of witnesses. It is of 
some concern to the Committee that during the first 
fourteen weeks the proposed benefit structure may not 
be sufficient to enable certain low-income claimants to 
cover all of their non-deferrable expenditures. If these 
claimants are unable to obtain employment quickly some 
hardship may be entailed. 

The problem may be illustrated by an examination of 
the present benefits which would be received by a 
claimant with dependents in comparison with his situa- 
tion under the White Paper proposals. 



Earnings Range 



CUMULATIVE BENEFITS OVER THE FIRST SEVEN WEEKS 

FOR A CLAIMANT WITH DEPENDENTS UNDER THE PRESENT 

AND THE PROPOSED SCHEME UNDER TWO ASSUMPTIONS 



No Work Income 



Week Number 



Reabsorbed in the Labour Force at week No. 5 



Week Number 



$20-29— present. , 
— proposed . 

30- 139— present. 
— proposed . 



40-49 — present. . 
— propcsed . 

50-59 — present. . 
— proposed . 



60-69 — present. . 
— proposed . 

70-79— present. . 
— proposed . 



80-89— present.. 

— proposed . 

I 

90-199— present. . 

— proposed . 



100-109— present.. 
— proposed . 



17 


34 


51 


68 


85 


102 


— 


17 


34 


51 


68 


85 


21 


42 


63 


84 


105 


126 


— 


23 


46 


69 


92 


115 


25 


50 


75 


100 


125 


150 


— 


30 


60 


90 


120 


150 


29 


58 


87 


116 


145 


174 


— 


37 


74 


111 


148 


185 


33 


66 


99 


132 


165 


198 


— 


43 


86 


129 


172 


215 


38 


76 


114 


152 


190 


228 


— 


50 


100 


150 


200 


250 


43 


86 


129 


172 


215 


258 


— 


57 


114 


171 


238 


295 


48 


96 


144 


192 


240 


288 


— 


63 


126 


189 


252 


315 


53 


106 


159 


212 


265 


318 


— 


70 


140 


210 


280 


350 



— 17 

— 21 

— 25 

— 29 

— 33 

— 38 

— 43 

— 48 

— 53 



34 
17 

42 
23 

50 
30 

58 
37 

66 
43 

76 
50 

86 
57 

96 
63 

106 
70 



51 
34 

63 
46 

75 
60 

87 

74 

99 
86 

114 
100 



159 
140 



70 
76 

98 
103 

120 
135 

142 
165 

164 
194 

189 
225 



129 214 

114 256 

144 239 

126 284 



264 
315 



101 126 

101 126 

133 168 

138 175 

165 210 

180 225 

197 252 

221 276 

229- 294 

259 324 

264 339 

300 375 



299 
341 



384 

426 



334 429 

379 474 

369 474 

420 525 



(1) The mid point of the earning range only considered. 

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The preceding table indicates that in the case where 
the claimant with dependents remains unemployed over 
the entire seven week period and his income is below 
$40 per week, the new plan offers less benefit than the 
present one. However, if he were to get a job at the 
5th week, the proposed plan would provide as many 
benefits for him during the first seven weeks. If the 
claimant obtained a job at the 3rd or 4th week, the 
proposed plan would leave him much better off after 
seven weeks than the present plan — despite the fact that 
the waiting period would be increased to two weeks. 

This illustration draws attention to the particular 
problem of claimants in the low income range. On the 
one hand, although their absolute number is small, this 
group may be said to have a higher percentage of its 
earnings consumed by non-deferrable expenditures; on 
the other hand, the increased waiting period may affect 
them most adversely. Consequently, it would appear 
crucial to ensure that in the case of those claimants in 
particular, the link with assistance programs, which 
may be able to fill any such gap on the basis of a 
needs test, be established firmly and that it should 
result in immediate remedial action on behalf of the 
low income claimant.^ 

(c) With respect to duration of benefits, the White 
Paper proposals were criticized by some witnesses and in 
some briefs. In our view, the proposal for a 26-week 
maximum entitlement rather than the 51-week maximum 
of the White Paper is based on the view that unemploy- 
ment insurance caters only to interruptions of earnings, 
i.e., essentially a short term activity. On the other hand, 
it has been suggested that the maximum of 51 weeks 
may be undesirable and that it should be extended. 

Both positions find inadequate support in the evidence. 
The rather flexible duration of benefits as defined by 
the five UIC phases would be made up of three com- 
ponents: a statutory entitlement, an entitlement linked 
to labour force attachment and an entitlement linked 
to environmental conditions. Very few groups faulted 
the scheme for attempting to link the duration of these 
phases with the objective constraints of the job search 
process (Phase 1), the accumulated merits of the 
claimants (Phase 2 and 4) and to the national and 
regional circumstances (Phase 3 and 5). However, the 
complexity of the scheme generated some concern on 
the part of witnesses. This has persuaded the Committee 
that a strong information campaign should be launched 
so that the useful features of the revised UIC plan will 
be fully understood by its users. 

4. Unemployment Benefits when the Interruption of 

Earnings is due to Sickness or Pregnancy 

The provision of unemployment insurance benefits to 

claimants whose interruption of earnings is due to 

sickness or pregnancy was one of the issues most widely 



discussed before the Committee. On the one hand, some 
witnesses expressed strong opposition to the provision 
of both types of benefits on the basis that this extension 
of unemployment insurance would go "well beyond 
the realm of pure insurance and enter the field of wel- 
fare".'" Another group, while "by no means averse to 
discussing such a plan within the context of a general 
security plan" insisted that the pregnancy and sickness 
proposals should not be "grafted onto an unemployment 
insurance scheme for the simple and telling reason that 
these claimants would not be available for work and, 
to all intents and purposes for the time of their sickness 
and pregnancy, were out of the labour market". More- 
jjver, this organization maintained "this would violate 
the Constitution".'' 

There is general acceptance of the view that an inter- 
ruption of earnings due to sickness or pregnancy 
presents hardships. Benefits due to sickness and preg- 
nancy exist now in at least 60 countries. These other 
jurisdictions recognize sickness and pregnancy and 
consequent income curtailment as a form of economic 
insecurity — a problem to be met. 

The main question appears to be where the need 
should be met. 

A number of those who expressed opposition to the 
payment of sickness and maternity benefits did not 
oppose the benefits per se as much as the vehicle 
through which it is proposed these benefits be pro- 
vided. The view was advanced that such benefits, if 
they are to be provided, should be made available 
through some different, welfare-oriented program. 

This position may be rooted in a misunderstanding 
of some of the references in the White Paper. In fact, 
the White Paper proposed not sickness benefits or mater- 
nity benefits but unemployment benefits in the case 
when Unemployment is due to sickness or maternity. 
Consequently, these benefits would not be welfare- 
oriented. They would perform the legitimate function 
of unemployment insurance: i.e., to deal with inter- 
ruption of earnings. 

One point raised in the Committee hearings dealt 
with the possible advantages in locating sickness and 
maternity loss of earnings benefits in a program and/or 
institution apart from Unemployment Insurance. 

In our view, no persuasive arguments were set forth 
for separate facilities. 

It was suggested by some that interruptions of earn- 
ings due to sickness and maternity are among the 
most frequent types of abuse of the present Act. It 
was alleged that pregnant women and persons who are 
sick but who are unable to qualify for benefits can 
only abuse the unemployment insurance fund by mak- 



" It is important to note that benefit levels would be higher 
under the new scheme The difference in cumulative benefits 
would be due entirely to the longer waiting period. In the second 
week, no benefits would be paid out by the new scheme. It would 
therefore lake a few weeks for the effects of the higher benefit 
schedule to manifest themselves. 

24168—16 



*> Canadian Association of Equipment Distributors. See Minutes 
of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th Parliament, Issue 
No. 5, Appendix A-22. p. 44. 

^' Canadian Chamber of Commerce. See Minutes of Proceedings 
and Evidence, 2nd Session. 28th Parliament, September 30, 1970, 
Issue No. 18, Appendix A-5, p. 87. 



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ing false statements about their availability for work. 
In our view, whether these allegations have any validity 
explicit recognition of these contingencies and the 
provisions of benefits tailored to these circumstances 
are good. 

These additional benefits represent an adjustment in 
the economic security system to recognize the con- 
tingencies generated by a world in which women are 
a large portion of the labour force and in which a major 
segment of the population has no protection against 
interruption of earnings due to sickness. 

5. Unemployment Benefits for Interruption of Earnings 
due to Retirement 

The case for the provision of unemployment insurance 
benefits for interruption of earnings due to retirement 
presents certain difficulties. Indeed, a number of wit- 
nesses fully in support of UIC benefits in the case of 
interruption of earnings by sickness or pregnancy ex- 
pressed opposition to the provision of the proposed 
retirement benefits. 

While in the main concern in the matter of sickness 
and pregnancy included interruption of earnings bene- 
fits related to a discussion of the type of program and 
vehicle appropriate for such benefits, the very existence 
of a valid contingency at the time of retirement was 
denied by several witnesses and briefs. It was main- 
tained that if a need exists in the transition from work 
to retirement, it cannot be said to constitute an inter- 
ruption of earnings. 

A number of witnesses also drew attention to the fact 
that by accepting Canada Pension Plan or Quebec Pen- 
sion Plan, an early retired person would have access to 
$720 — while if he did not retire, he would receive as 
much as $5,000 in the first year. 

6. Claimant Assistance Benefits 

The provision of claimant assistance benefits has 
come under criticism from several witnesses and for a 
number of reasons. For example, one labour organization 
expressed "strong reservation about the interviews" be- 
cause in the past "claimants have been interviewed 
ostensibly to determine their availability but in fact to 
find some pretext for disqualification".^- This line of 
criticism, however seems to represent an indictment of 
present procedures rather than reasonable criticism of a 
proposed claimant assistance program unavailable in the 
past. 

The same critical approach was followed by another 
organization which stated — "We want reassurance that 
counselling will not be used to deny benefits to claim- 
ants"." Others spoke in the same vein. The United Com- 
munity Services of the Greater Vancouver Area insisted 



^ Canadian Labour Congress. See Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, October 6, 1970. Issue No. 
20, Appendi.x A-11, p. 71. 

*> United Auto Workers. See Minutes o] Proceedings and Evi- 
dence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, September 22, 1970. Issue No. 
14, Appendix "T", p. 130. 



that the role of "helper" and "fraud detector" cannot be 
effectively combined." 

However, most briefs supported the claim that coun- 
selling is needed and that it is essential that UIC make 
counselling accessible to claimants. 

7. Coordination 

While the proposal for greater coordination with the 
Canada Manpower Centres and other Government and 
Private Services was accorded considerable support, there 
were some expressions of doubt about the extent to which 
the goal would be reached. This spirit of scepticism was 
set forth by one group which criticized "the stress placed 
on coordination rather than integration between govern- 
ment departments"."" 

B. Comments 

The proposed structure of benefits is aimed at correct- 
ing a major weakness of the present Act which is its 
restriction of monetary benefits to a limited range of 
designated causes of interruption of earnings. 

The White Paper proposes to cover the entire informa- 
tion-cash-services range of benefits. It offers benefits re- 
lated to the different types of contingencies. The result is 
a workable scheme. 

Both the duration and the level of benefits and the 
form in which claimant assistance is proposed received 
general support. However, the integration of the proposed 
benefits into a composite whole resulted in some expres- 
sions of concern. 

Some parts of the proposed system have engendered 
comments and remarks which suggested anticipated 
anomalies and incongruities in the functioning of the 
system. 

1. Although coordination and integration will deter- 
mine whether the proposed scheme would be more effi- 
cient, the "links with other government services" and 
other agencies require further clarification. 

2. Although the level of benefits would appear to 
be adequate to cover non-deferrable expenses, a minority 
segment of the claimant population with very low 
income may be subjected to some hardship because 
of the transition. This group is small and economically 
diversified. It is estimated that the number of claimants 
with dependents earning less than $40 per week would 
be less than 1.5% of the claimants with dependents. 
Unquestionably these persons need help. In our view 
it would be better provided by other Government 
services. 

3. Although there was support in many quarters for 
the phase I benefit, the idea of a lump sum payment 
generated some concern. The question arose as to 
whether such a payment should be made in one amount 



" See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th 
Parliament, October 27, iy70. Issue No. 6, Appendix A-38, p. 104. 

'•■"• See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 3rd Session, 28th 
Parliament, October 27, 1970. Issue No. 6, Appendix A-38, p. 105. 



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at the beginning of the third week or should be paid 
automatically in instalments. 

4. Although the proposal to attempt to cover all con- 
tingencies and causes of interruption of earnings is 
laudable, it would appear that the payment of benefits 
to retired workers presents difficulties. However, it 
would appear that one cannot fairly exclude from the 
progi-am workers between 65 and 70 who are ready, will- 
ing and able to work. In addition, there is some merit 
for the three week lump sum benefit to help tide over 
these workers when they retire until the Canada Pension 
Plan or Quebec Pension Plan payments begin. 

5. The claimant assistance program came under some 
criticism because it did not clearly separate the benefit 
control function from the counselling function. 

C. RECOMMENDATIONS 

In the light of evidence received and examined, the 
Committee: 

1. Endorses the broad outline of the proposed benefit 
structure with its mix of assistance benefits in addition 
to the customary monetary benefits. These benefits are 
to be tailored with respect to their level and duration 
to meet the statutory rights of individuals, their acquired 
eligibility and environmental circumstances and further 
at low earnings levels the benefits in the first few 
weeks of the claim be no less than an established mini- 
mum figure. 

2. Recommends that any claimant assistance program 
be explicitly divorced from any contact with benefit 
control and that this fact be widely publicized. 

3. Recommends that unemployment benefits be paid 
to persons whose interruption of earnings is due to 
maternity or illness according to the proposed plan. 

4. ReccMnmends that the Phase I payment be made in 
two instalments. 

5. Recommends that with regards to workers between 
65 and 70 the White Paper Proposals be adopted. 

6. Insists that in the case where claimants are clearly 
unable to meet their non-deferrable expenses with their 
unemployment benefits, the UIC be asked to direct 
them to appropriate assistance agencies through a special 
channel so that action can be taken without any delay. 



CHAPTER VI 
FINANCING 
A. Main Issues 

The financing of an Unemployment Insurance scheme 
depends on the nature of the economic security it is 
designed to provide. 

The philosophy underlying the proposed plan is that 
involuntary economic insecurity caused by an interrup- 
tion of earnings has negative effects on the individual 
both in his capacity as a consumer and in terms of the 
satisfaction derived for productive labour. Furthermore, 
unemployment also imposed costs on society as a whole 
due to the failure to fully utilize the productive capacity 
of our human resources. 

There are some reasons to believe that the employee, 
the employer and society as a whole would benefit from 
the provision of greater economic security engendered 
by the proposed system. It was suggested that the 
ultimate responsibility for all interruptions of earnings 
should be that of the government. This view resulted 
in proposals to finance the Plan out of general revenues. 
Other approaches have emphasized the need for a 
greater assumption of responsibility by business enter- 
prises. This view led some to propose a full employer- 
financed Unemployment Insurance Plan. 

At no point was it suggested that Unemployment 
Insurance be a purely employee-financed plan. 

Since benefits are conferred on the employee, the 
employer and society as a whole, the White Paper 
philosophy proposes a tripartite responsibility in the 
financing of a new Unemployment Insurance scheme. 

The allocation of the different burdens to the three 
parties generated some debate before the Committee. 
These expressions of opinion focussed on two main 
themes: 

1. The White Paper proposes a philosophy and 
mechanism of financing which crystallizes the scheme 
as a tripartite arrangement. 

The White Paper introduces a division of burden 
between the parties which is defined by column 6 in 
Table 1 (reproduced on p. 25). This allocation of burden 
has been delineated under different assumptions in the 
booklet, Facts and Figures,^' from which the table on 
the next page is extracted. 



•■"'See Minutes of Proceeduigs and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament. September 17, 1970, Issue No. 11, Appendix "M", 
p. 142. 



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TABLE 2 

ESTIMATIlD contributions in 1972 WITH PROPOSED PLAN 
AT VARIOUS UNEMPLOYMENT RATES 

($ millions) 
(See notes) 



Employers (1) 



No Experience Rating (2) 

Unemployment Employees 

Rate % Government (1) Private Public 



Mature Plan (3) 



Private 



Public 



Total 

(4) (5) 



3.5 
4.0 
4.5 
5.0 
5.5 
6.0 
(•..5 
7.0 



30 4% 

50 

116 14% 
192 

253 26% 
308 

369 34% 
433 



285 40% 

299 

299 36% 

299 

299 31% 

299 

299 28% 

299 



297 
311 
311 
311 
311 
311 
311 
311 



103 
109 
109 
109 
109 
109 
109 
109 



324 45% 

340 

340 41% 

340 

340 35% 

340 

340 31% 

340 



76 11% 

80 

80 10% 

80 

80 8% 

80 

80 7% 

80 



715 
769 
835 
911 

972 
1,027 
1,088 
1,152 



NoTE.s: 1. Employee-employer costs include .^71 M for admini,«tration. 

2. Contributions shown are those where experience rating has not yet taken effect. 

3. Contributions shown are as if plan had been in effect for many years with full experience rating. 

4. Above estimates are at full rates. Preferential rates for new entrants will reduce contributions paid as shown on Page 8. 

5. 1972 base year-contributions estimated to cover costs. Rates adjusted thereafter by 3-year moving average two years 
in arrears. 

0. Percentage added to the original table. 



The government contribution is variable and linked 
to the unemployment rate; the employee contribution is 
the same regardless of his employer, but adjusted 
annually; depending on the level of benefits paid, how- 
ever, the employees' share declines with the rise of 
the unemployment rate; the employers' contribution will 
vary from firm to firm for large units and it will 
constitute a declining share of the burden as unemploy- 
ment rises. 

2. The White Paper proposes that the contributions of 
employers be experience rated if they have an annual 
insured payroll of over $78,000. For employers with a 
small establishment, an average rate, lower than the 
present rate, would be applied at all times. Most of 
these points were discussed at some length before the 
Committee. 

1. The Structure of Financing 

Except for a few briefs which argued that "the govern- 
ment is responsible for all unemployment""' and conse- 



'■ United Auto Workers See Minutes oj Proceedings and Evi- 
dence, 2nd Session. 2IJth Parliament, September 22, 1970, Issue 
No. 14, Appendi.x "T". p. 119. 



quently recommended that the employees should carry 
no burden or that the whole plan should be financed 
through general revenue, there was general consensus 
that the Ul plan is de facto, a tripartite one. This does 
not mean, however, that there was accord with respect to 
the relative bui-den proposed for each sector. Some,' like 
the National House Builders' Association argued for re- 
taining the 50-50-20 formula, which is 41 §% for the 
employers and employees and 16§% for the Government; 
others suggested the government assume a larger and 
"more stable" share of the burden. A number of witnesses 
expressed misunderstanding about the exact role of the 
government in Phase 4 of the proposed plan. In fact, the 
government pays for all of Phase 4. 

Over and beyond the variability of shares, allocated to 
the three sectors, one must note some shift of burden from 
the Government to the employers and employees at full 
employment levels. While the present scheme allocates 
41?,% of the burden to fall equally on employees and 
employers, and 16^% on Government, the new proposal 
at maturity would, at a 3.5% unemployment rate, allo- 
cate 56% of the burden to employers, 40% to employees 
and 4% will be retained by the Government. At higher 



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levels of unemployment, on the other hand — 6.5% for 
instance — the Government would carry 34%, the em- 
ployees 28%, and the employers 38%. 

This partial shift of the burden to the employers would 
be unrelated to experience rating. While experience rating 
would include the distribution of the employers' burden 
among employers, the shift that we are referring to here 
has to do with the distribution of the burden among 
employers, employees and Government. 

Some witnesses chose to criticize the lowering of the 
government share of the burden at full employment.'"' 
The use of the 4% unemplojnment figure as the bench- 
mark at which the government's share of the burden 
increases has not been fully appreciated. Fundamentally, 
those who criticized this proposed threshhold were of the 
view that government should shoulder a larger share of 
the burden. 

2. Experience Rating 

The issue of experience rating of the employers' con- 
tributions was one of the very keenly discussed questions 
before the Committee. While the United Electrical, Radio 
and Machine Workers of America did not object to ex- 
perience rating," the Canadian Labour Congress found 
that "experience rating does not commend itself as being 
either equitable or conducive to more stable employment 
patterns."*" and the United Auto Workers argued that the 
introduction of such a scheme would lead to serious 
abuses of the employees by the employers in order to 
avoid high ratings." On the other hand, while the Cana- 
diEin Chamber of Conimerce suggested that "the principle 
of experience rating is sound"," the Canadian Manu- 
facturers' Association argued that experience rating 
should not be adopted because it "will fall hardest on 
those companies that are already having difficulty and 
thus will further hurt the job-creating capacity of Cana- 
dian industry"." 

B. Comments 

Consideration must be given to the fact that the 
proposed plan of experience rating has nothing to do 
with the allocation of the financial burden among the 
government, employers and employees. It is a mechanism 
to allocate the employers' burden among employers. 



** Canadian Labour Congress, See Minutes oj Proceedings and 
Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, October 6, 1970. Issue 
No. 20. Appendix A-11, p. 73. 

"• See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament. September 29, 1970, Issue No. 17, p. 87. 

"See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session. 28th 
Parliament. October 6, 1970, Issue No. 20. Appendix A-11. p. 7.3. 

" See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 22. 1970, Issue No. 14, Appendix "T", p. 
119. 

" See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 30. 1970, Issue No. 10. Appendix A-5, p. 84. 

•» See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th 
Parliament, September 17. 1970, Issue No. 12, Appendix "N", p. 97. 



Two alternatives present themselves. (I) The alloca- 
tion of employer cost could be made on a uniform pro- 
portional basis; or (II) it could also be made according 
to their lay-off patterns. If unemployment constitutes 
an industrial cost of production borne by society, it 
can be argued that it should not be the role of an 
unemployment insurance plan to absorb all such costs 
thereby reducing the real costs of production in certain 
industries while increasing them in others. 

The present uniform rate amounts to a subsidy to 
the less stable industries and even more so to the less 
stable firms within these industries. It is the equivalent, 
as well, to a tax on the more stable industries, and 
even more significantly a tax on the most stable firms 
within the most stable industries. The White Paper 
proposes experience rating or an alternative allocation 
of the employers' burden among employers which is 
a method to allocate the costs where they belong. 

This process can be illustrated most vividly by re- 
viewing the situation of the forestry, fishing and trap- 
ping industries. If the real cost of producing and market- 
ing are to include certain products (as they should) the 
social cost engendered by the seasonal patterns of an 
industry which for example may force labour to be 
idle in remote areas for part of the year, this situation 
should reflect itself in prices of their products. More- 
over, when a major segment of such production is 
exported, this amounts to an export subsidy. Such a 
subsidy may be justified but it is questionable whether 
the scheme of the Unemployment Insurance should be 
a vehicle for such a transfer and it is surely not appro- 
priate for the more stable industries to be taxed to 
pay for such a subsidy. 

Comparisons by industry (Table 3) are revealing 
as to the extent of the difference between benefit pay- 
ments and contributions. They are a measure of the 
burden of the costs of production shifted in this indirect 
way. 

If the principle of experience rating is regarded as 
reasonable, it remains, then, to assess the efficacy of 
experience rating as an incentive for employers to 
stabilize their employment patterns, i.e., to reduce the 
social costs of production. Consideration must also be 
given to possible side-effects of such a method of financ- 
ing the employers' contribution. 

The White Paper states that only larger employers 
will be experience rated, i.e., those most able to engage 
in careful manpower planning and those whose pay- 
rolls are large enough for the changes in contribution 
rates to constitute a significant cost or saving factor. 
Witnesses who cast doubt on the desirability of ex- 
perience rating cited the United States experience in 
support of their views. 



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TABLE III" 

COMPARISON BY INDUSTRY 

Benefit Payments vs. Contributions (1968) 
($ thousands) 



Industry 



Bonciit Payments Contributions 



Transfers 



Manufacturing 

Construction 

Trade and Commerce 

Services 

Transportation, Communications and Utilities. 

Forestry, Fishing and Trapping 

Public Administration 

Mining and Oil Drilling 

Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate 

Agriculture 



119,627 


145,543 


-25,916 


75,922 


33,183 


42,739 


53,721 


65,057 


-11,336 


52,619 


39,864 


12,755 


44,836 


44,170 


666 


33,897 


7,029 


26,868 


20,470 


12,859 


7,611 


8,230 


10,795 


- 2,565 


10,030 


17,437 


- 7,407 


5,958 


2,579 


3,379 



Note: 1. A negative transfer means that the industry is a net contributor to the UIC fund. 

2. A positive transfer means that the industry receives a net bene6t from the fund. 
** See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 

2nd Session, 28th Parliament, September 17, 1970. 

Issue No. 11, Appendix "M", p. 148. 



However, substantial differences exist between Un- 
employment Insurance Plans in Canada and the United 
States. All Unemployment Insurance plans in the United 
States are financed totally by the employers. Moreover, 
in the United States, the UI plans are based on the con- 
cept of separate funding for each employer, while in 
Canada, the proposed experience rating plan would be 
limited to larger employers. 

The briefs presented a range of possible side-effects 
to experience rating. 

One presentation charged that experience rating 
would amount to "oflfering companies an economic in- 
ducement to maltreat their employees"". The type of 
abuses which are feared such as requiring employees to 
work overtime instead of hiring temporary help, are 
unlikely to occur. The present cost of overtime work and 
the existence of fair employment legislation would not 
render it profitable for an employee to make excessive 
use of overtime. In the case where unions exist they 
would be able to provide substantial protection for their 
members in the event of threatened abuses. 

The view that particular industries would be adversely 
affected because of experience rating was presented. 
However, as far as possible, the costs of production 
should be borne at their point of origin. In any case the 
amount of the cost increases is not likely to be large in 
view of the fact that Unemployment Insurance contribu- 
tions would not constitute a significant portion of the 
total costs of operation. 



Two additional arguments were presented to the Com- 
mittee. One was directed to the possibility that an 
establishment could suffer a number of lay-offs for a 
specific reason beyond the control of management. The 
other referred to the difficulty of comparing firms to a 
national average for the economy and suggested that 
experience rating be given an industry-base." 

The formal argument is answered partly by the pro- 
posal which would prevent drastic changes in an em- 
ployer's rate from year to year. Ratings would be estab- 
lished from year to year over a three-year average. To 
this extent, a drop in business, for example, in 1974, 
would not affect the rate until 1976 at a time when 
business difficulty may have been resolved. 

The latter argument is not so easily, dealt with. Indeed, 
the rating of a firm would seem to be more reasonable 
if based on the industry average instead of a national 
average. There is no reason why the experience rating 
system could not be extended: an experience rating of 
industries defined on the basis of the national average 
together with an experience rating of firms defined on 
the basis of the industry average. 

Within each industry a general average industry rate 
could be established based on the specific lay-off ex- 
perience of that particular industry. In this broad frame 
work those firms within the industry which have a 
stable employment pattern, their rate would be allowed 
to vary downwards and to swing as low as the employee 
rate. Conversely, for firms within this industry which 



<» United Auto Workers. See Minutes of Proceedings and Evi- 
dence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, September 22, 1970, Issue 
No. 14, Appendix "T", p. 132. 



'" Canadian Chamber of Commerce. See Minutes of Proceed- 
ings and Evidence, 2nd Session, 28th Parliament, September 30, 
1970, Issue No. 18, Appendix A-5, p. 84. 



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have high lay-off patterns, the specific rate for these 
firms would be allowed to vary over the average indus- 
try rate to the same extent as the downward variation. 

Since different industries would have different lay-off 
patterns, the average industry rates would vary widely. 
Each firm within a given industry would be allowed a 
rate which could go as low as the employee rate should 
a high level of employment stability be achieved. Con- 
versely, those firms with unstable employment patterns 
higher than the industry average would be assigned a 
higher rate. The rate for specific firms within an in- 
dustry would not be allowed to vary more upward 
than downward from the average industry rate. 

Because experience rating would not come into effect 
until 1974, there would be ample opportunity to devise 
alternate formulae. 

The industry rates and the firm rates would be de- 
fined as in the original plan on the basis of lay-off 
patterns. 

RECOMMENDATIONS 

C. On the basis of the evidence examined, the Commit- 
tee 

(1) endorses the tripartite principle of financing un- 
employment insurance. 

(2) endorses the proposed method of financing whereby 
the federal treasury assumes the entire additional cost 
of the program when the national unemployment rate 
exceeds 4% or when the regional rate is over 4% and 
at least 1% over the national rate. 

(3) endorses the principle of experience rating in 
defining the employers' contribution and suggests that 
an experience rating formula operating both at the in- 
dustry and the firm level along the lines suggested 
above be adopted. 



CHAPTER VII 



COORDINATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES 

A. Main Issues 

The briefs presented to the Committee welcomed the 
declaration of a determination to coordinate the new 
UIC plan with other programmes. However, there was 
some expression of scepticism about the likelihood that 
such coordination would materialize; and, some expres- 
sion of concern that possible failure might pose to be 
an impediment to development of a more comprehensive 
strategy to combat all forms of economic insecurity. 

B. Comments 

1. Coordination is, in part, a matter of assuring cover- 
age where such coverage is not provided by any other 
programs. This rationale provides a strong incentive in 
support of unemployment insurance benefits in cases 



where interruptions of earnings are due to maternity 
or sickness. 

Coordination is also a matter of smooth interaction 
among complementary programs. The Claimant Assist- 
ance Program should forge a strong link between the 
UI scheme and the network of manpower policies in 
Canada. By identifying the causes of interruption of 
earnings the UI scheme should help to shorten the 
diagnosis period and to ease the transition period for 
the claimant. The guidelines to be used in classifying 
the claimants and in directing them to existing programs 
would be developed in close liaison with related agencies. 

While the White Paper does not dwell at length on the 
processes of coordination and interaction, there is reason 
to believe that the new plan could be integrated with 
programs already in existence. This is in line with the 
Minister's assurance that "this program has been de- 
veloped with the complete cooperation of all other 
government agencies concerned and they have expressed 
a total willingness to work with the officials of the Com- 
mission to see that the spirit of the White Paper is re- 
flected in the operation of the new programs"." 

2. The coordinated approach referred to above does 
not constitute an impediment to the development of an 
improved economic security system. This consideration 
was a source of concern for many witnesses who ex- 
pressed their disappointment that the proposed UIC plan 
could not be considered together with the forthcoming 
social security White Paper. 

It is not for this Committee to comment in detail on 
the content of the White Paper on Income Security. It 
can be said, however, that the White Paper on Income 
Security contains no proposals which would eliminate the 
need for the reforms proposed in the White Paper on 
Unemployment Insurance. However, since we live in a 
society where both social needs and the techniques to 
deal with them are changing rapidly, a strong argument 
exists for flexibility and a continuing review of all 
programs. 

As to the possibility of a program of annual guaranteed 
income rendering the new UI plan obsolete at some future 
time, this concern is based on a misconception about the 
purposes of these programs. In our view, these programs 
would be complementary. Apart from the unlikely 
probability that the levels of any future guaranteed 
annual income program were high enough to cover all 
non-deferrable expenditures, it would remain necessary 
to provide UI benefits for those members of the labour 
force experiencing an interruption of earnings. 

RECOMMENDATIONS 

C. In the light of the evidence examined, the Committee 

1 . endorses the pursuit of an integrated approach 
stressing cooperation and coordination among the dif- 
ferent programs proposed by the White Paper. 



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2. urges that an explicit and formalized coordination 
plan be developed before the new regulations come into 
operation. 

3. encourages the UIC to make the particulars of this 
coordination and cooperation as explicit and widely 
known as possible and as soon as possible. 

CHAPTER VIII 

IMPLEMENTATION 

There was little opposition voiced to the proposed 
timetable for implementation. We agree with the obser- 
vation that a transitional period would be required to 
phase-in the new mode of financing UI to develop the 
details of the plan in line with the principles expounded 
in the White Paper. 

CHAPTER IX 

CONCLUSION 

The Committee, after a review of the briefs received, 
and following its hearing and deliberations, makes the 
following recommendations: 

RECOMMENDATIONS 

(1) Endorses the broad approach to problems of econ- 
omic insecurity presented in the White Paper. 

(2) Supports the two basic objectives 

(a) coping with the contingency of interruption of 
earnings and (b) of facilitating reabsorption into pro- 
ductive activity. 

(3) Supports the social insurance approach. 

(4) Recommends a review of any legislation be un- 
dertaken at least every 10 years. 

(5) Endorses universal coverage with exclusions only 
for constitutional or administrative reasons. 

(6) Since arguments for both a built-in escalation 
clause and a regional adjustment factor are convincing 
if they do not involve excessive administrative costs. 
We recommend that either a $25.00 minimum earning- 
rule to define a bona fide member of the labour force 
should apply or a minimum earning-rule established as 
a percentage of the industrial composite of average 
weekly wages and salaries in each province whichever 
is lesser. 

(7) Endorses the proposed eligibility rules dependent 
on both individual and environmental circumstances, 
characterized by lower barriers to entry, a longer wait- 
ing period and a greater differentiation of points of 
entry and routes through the system. 

(8) Expresses concern about the difficulties encoun- 
tered by interested citizens in fully grasping the ra- 
tionale for this more complex if more adequate structure 



and recommends that a campaign of information be 
launched, as soon as legislation is passed, to communi- 
cate the logic of the purpose and of the functioning of 
the new plan to the public. 

(9) Recognizes the importance of a balance between 
individual and environmental factors in defining eligi- 
bility. 

(10) Endorses the broad outline of the proposed bene- 
fit structure with its mix of assistance benefits in 
addition to the customary monetary benefits. These 
benefits are to be tailored with respect to their level 
and duration to meet the statutory rights of individuals, 
their acquired eligibility and environmental circum- 
stances and further at low earnings levels the benefits 
in the first few weeks of the claim be no less than an 
established minimum figure. 

(11) Recommends that any claimant assistance pro- 
gram be explicitly divorced from any contact with 
benefit control and that this fact be widely publicized. 

(12) Recommends that unemployment benefits be paid 
to persons whose interruption of earnings is due to 
maternity or illness according to the proposed plan. 

(13) Recommends that the Phase I payment be made 

in two instalments. 

(14) Recommends that with regards to workers be- 
tween 65 and 70 the White Paper Proposals be adopted. 

(15) Insists that in the case where claimants are clearly 
unable to meet their non-deferrable expenses with their 
unemployment benefits, the UIC be asked to direct them 
to appropriate assistance agencies through a special chan- 
nel so that action can be taken without any delay. 

(16) Endorses the tripartite principle of financing un- 
employment insurance. 

(17) Endorses the proposed method of financing where- 
by the federal treasury assumes the entire additional cost 
of the program when the national unemployment rate 
exceeds 4% or when the regional rate is over 4% and at 
least 1% over the national rate. 

(18) Endorses the principle of experience rating in 
defining the employers' contribution but suggests that 
experience rating formula operating both at the industry 
and the firm level along the lines suggested above be 
adopted. 

(19) Endorses the pursuit of an integrated approach 
stressing cooperation and coordination among the dif- 
ferent programs proposed by the White Paper. 

(20) Urges that an explicit and formalized coordina- 
tion plan be developed before the new regulations come 
into operation. 

(21) Encourages the UIC to make the particulars of 
this coordination and cooperation as explicit and widely 
known as possible and as soon as possible. 



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A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issues Nos. 10 to 20 inclusive of the previous 
session) is returned and a copy of the relevant Minutes 
of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues Nos. 1 to 9 in- 
clusive of the present session) is tabled. 



Mr. Prud'homme, seconded by Mr. Legault, by leave 
of the House, introduced Bill C-213, An Act to amend 
the Canadian Citizenship Act (Minimum residence re- 
quirement), which was read the first time and ordered 
to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 16 
to the Journals) . 



Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Benson, moved, — 
That the House adjourn immediately after returning 
from attending Royal Assent to Bill C-211 (Supply Bill) 
and to any other measures; and 

That it shall stand adjourned until 2.00 o'clock p.m., 
Monday, January 11, 1971, provided always that if it 
appears to the satisfaction of Mr. Speaker, after consul- 
tation with Her Majesty's Government, that the public 
interest requires that the House should meet at an 
earlier time during the adjournment, Mr. Speaker may 
give notice that he is so satisfied, and thereupon the 
House shall meet at the time stated in such notice, and 
shall transact its business as if it had been duly ad- 
journed to that time; and 

That, in the event of Mr. Speaker being unable to act 
owing to illness or other cause, the Deputy Speaker or 
the Deputy Chairman of Committees shall act in his 
stead for the purpose of this order. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Orlikow, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-214, An Act respecting pack- 
aged perishable food, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was 
transferred to Government Orders for consideration at 
the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
21(2): 

That the Annual Report, for the year ended 31st 
December, 1968, made pursuant to section 30 of the 
Penitentiary Act, contained in the Third Annual Report 
of the Department of the Solicitor General, tabled in 
the House of Commons on November 3, 1969, be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs; 
and 

That during its study of the aforementioned report, 
the Committee be empowered to adjourn from place to 
place in Canada. — (The President of the Privy Council.) 



Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Report of the Study 
Committee on Bankruptcy and Insolvency Legislation — 
Canada 1970, together with copies of News Release, dated 
December 18, 1970, relating thereto. (English and French). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-4/34. 



Mr. Davis, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Statement, dated Decem- 
ber 18, 1970, by the Minister of Fisheries and Forestry, 
with reference to the Promulgation of Fisheries Closing 
Lines. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-7/14. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said 
Statement be printed as an appendix to this day's 
Hansard. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That all re- 
maining stages of Bill C-205, An Act to amend the 
Regional Development Incentives Act, be considered and 
completed in this sitting. 



Pursuant to Special Order made this day, the Order 
being read for the report stage of Bill C-205, An Act to 
amend the Regional Development Incentives Act, as re- 
ported (with amendments) from the Standing Committee 
on Regional Development; 

Mr. Burton, seconded by Mr. Nystrom, moved, — That 
Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional Development 
Incentives Act, be amended in Clause 3 by adding to 
subsection 4 of section 5 the following: 

"provided however that any incentive shall be granted 
only after the applicant has provided the Crown or its 
designated agency with such number of shares in the 
application firm that the Minister considers to be 
equivalent in value to the incentive except that where 
the amount of the incentive is less than one million 
dollars the Minister may grant an exemption to this 
provision." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was negatived on the following division: 



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Brewin, 

Broadbent, 

Burton, 



Alexander, 

Allmand, 

Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Baldwin, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Bell, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Breau, 

Buchanan, 

Cafik, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Coates, 

Code, 

Comtois, 

Corbin, 

Corriveau, 

C6t6 (Longueuil), 

Crossman, 

Crouse, 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 

Danforth, 

Danson, 



Douglas (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Gilbert, 

Gleave, 



Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Drury, 

Dube, 

Dupras, 

Duquet, 

Fairweather, 

Forest, 

Forget, 

Forrestall, 

Fortin, 

Foster, 

Francis, 

Gendron, 

Gibson, 

Gillespie, 

Gray, 

Grills, 

Groos, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 

Guilbault, 

Hales, 

Hees, 

Hogarth, 

Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 
Isabelle, 
Jamieson, 
Jerome, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Harding, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Lewis, 
Maclnnis (Mrs.), 

Nays 

Messrs. 

Korchinski, 

Lachance, 

Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 
La Salle, 
Latulippe, 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Loiselle, 
Lundrigan, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
MacLean, 
Macquarrie, 
McBride, 
McCleave, 
McCutcheon, 
McGrath, 
McKinley, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 



Mather, 

Nystrom, 

Orlikow, 

Peters, 

Rose, 



Marceau, 

Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Marshall, 

Matte, 

Monteith, 

Morison, 

Muir, 

Munro, 

Noel, 

Nowlan, 

O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Peddle, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Roberts, 

Rochon, 

Rodrigue, 

Rondeau, 

Roy (Laval), 

Ryan, 



Rowland, 
Saltsman, 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley) — 18. 



Rynard, 

Scott, 

Serre, 

Sharp, 

Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Southam, 
Stanbury, 
Stanfield, 

Stewart (Cochrane), 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner 

(Ottawa-Ccirleton), 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whiting, 
Yanakis — 137. 



On motion of Mr. Marchand (Langelier), seconded by 
Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), the said bill, as amended, 
was concurred in at the report stage. 

Mr. Marchand (Langelier), seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a third time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon, the said debate was 
interrupted. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Marchand 
(Langelier), seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), 
— That Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional De- 
velopment Incentives Act, be now read a third time and 
do pass. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the hour 
for Private Members' Business be suspended; and 

That this sitting be extended until 6.00 o'clock p.m., 
at which time the House will rise to resume its sitting 
at 7.00 o'clock p.m. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. Basford, — That Bill C-191, An 
Act to amend the Farm Improvement Loans Act, the 
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merit Loans Act, be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Commilrtee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 

By unanimous consent. Bill C-4, An Act to amend the 
Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act, as reported (with 
amendments) from the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works was concurred in at the 
report stage. 

Mr. Olson for Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, 
moved, — that the said bill be now read a third time and 
do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed the following 
Bills, without any amendment: 

BiU C-175, An Act respecting grain. 

Bill C-174, An Act to establish the Tax Review Board 
and to make certain amendments to other Acts in rela- 
tion thereto. 

Bill C-179, An Act respecting the Buffalo and Fort 
Erie Public Bridge Company. 

Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Old Age Security 
Act. 

Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Regional Develop- 
ment Incentives Act. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following 
letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

18th December, 1970. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Right 
Honourable Gerald Fauteux, P.C, Chief Justice of Can- 
ada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General will 
proceed to the Senate Chamber today, December 18, 
at 11.15 p.m. for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to 
certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be. 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

LOUIS-FREMONT TRUDEAU 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable 
The Speaker of the House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 



The House suspended its sitting to the call of the Chair. 
And the sitting having been resumed; 



A Message was received from the Right Honourable 
Gerald Fauteux, P.C, Chief Justice of Canada, acting as 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General desiring 
the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate 
Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the 
Senate Chamber; 



And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that when the House did attend 
the Right Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the 
Governor General in the Senate Chamber, the Right Hon- 
ourable the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the 
Royal Assent to the following Bills: 
An Act to amend the Anti-dumping Act 
An Act to establish the Tax Review Board and to 
make certain amendments to other Acts in relation 
thereto 
An Act respecting grain 
An Act respecting cooperative associations 
An Act respecting the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public 
Bridge Company 

An Act to amend the Merchant Seamen Compensation 
Act and to amend an Act to amend the Merchant Sea- 
men Compensation Act 

An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act 
An Act to amend the Regional Development Incentives 
Act 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed 
the Right Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the 
Governor General as follows: 

May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies re- 
quired to enable the Government to defray certain ex- 
penses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons I present to Your 
Honour the following Bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of 
money for the public service, for the financial year end- 
ing the 31st March, 1971.' 

"To which Bill I humbly request Your Honour's 
Assent." 



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Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by Command of 
the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, did 
say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy 
to His Excellency the Governor General thanks Her 
Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and assents 
to this Bill." 



Mr. Rose for Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) 
on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Hopkins, De Bane and Foster for Messrs. 
McNulty, Whelan and Osier on the Special Joint Com- 
mittee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) for Mr. Thom- 
son (Battleford-Kindersley) on the Standing Committee 
on Agriculture. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 

by Command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report of the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce 
under the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act 
— Part 1 — Corporations — for the year ended December 
31, 1968, pursuant to subsection (1) of section 16 of the 
Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act, chapter 
26, Statutes of Canada, 1962. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/115. 



I 



At 11.50 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until 2.00 
o'clock p.m., Monday, January 11, 1971 pursuant to Spe- 
cial Order made this day. 



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PRAYERS 



Mr. Sharp for Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's 
Privy Council, laid upon the Table, — Copies of Press 
Release, dated December 22, 1970, with respect to certain 
changes in the Ministry, together with an exchange of 
letters dated December 21 and 22, 1970, between the Prime 
Minister of Canada and the Solicitor General with refer- 
ence to the resignation of the latter. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/190A. 



Mr. Kierans, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, 
laid upon the Table, — Report of the Department of Com- 
munications for the year ended March 31, 1970. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/22. 



Mr. Sharp for Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's 
Privy Council, laid upon the Table, — Copies of News 
Release dated January 7, 1971, with reference to the 
ownership of Capital Stock of the Mercantile Bank of 
Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/15. 



Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
donald (Rosedale), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-215, An Act to establish the Textile and Clothing 
Board and to make certain amendments to other Acts in 
consequence thereof, which was read the first time and 
ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General pursuant to Standing Order 02(2) in 
relation to the foregoing Bill is as followH: 

His Excellency the Governor General iccommends to 
the House of Commons a mca.surc to establish the Toxlllc 
and Clothing Board and to make certain amendments to 
other Acts in consequence thereof; to provide for the 
salary of the Chairman and of the Secn>tary of the 
Board, for the remuneration of other members of the 
Board, for their travelling and living oxpcn.ses; for the 
appointment and remuneration of persons having tech- 
nical or special knowledge to assist the Board; to pro- 
vide also for the duties and powers of the Board; and 



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to make further provisions with respect to adjustment 
assistance benefits in connection with the administration 
of the Act. 



or loss payable in that province 0>) travel grants to 
international meetings from residents (at the time of 
application) of that province? — Sessional Paper No. 283- 



2/5. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following six- 
teen Questions were made Orders of the House for 
Returns: 

No. 3 — Mr. Nowlan 

For each of the provinces, in each of the past five 
years, what were the total expenditures for (a) doctoral- 
fellowships paid to students studying (at the time of 
application) in that province (b) doctoral-fellowships 
paid to students of home residence (at the time of appli- 
cation) in that province (c) doctoral-fellowships paid to 
students pursuing doctoral studies in that province (d) 
post-doctoral fellowships paid to residents (at the time 
of application) of that province (c) leave fellowships 
paid to residents (at the time of application) of that 
province (/) research grants of $6,000.00 or less, paid to 
residents (at the time of application) of that province 
(g) research grants of $6,000.00 or less, paid in that 
province ()i) travel grants to international meetings for 
residents of that province, by the Canada Council?— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/3. 

No. 4 — Mr. Nowlan 

For each of the provinces, in each of the past five years, 
what was the number of (a) doctoral-fellowships award- 
ed to applicants studying (at the time of application) in 
that province (b) doctoral-fellowships awarded to appli- 
cants of home residence (at the time of application) in 
that province (c) doctoral-fellowships awarded, to pur- 
sue doctoral studies in that province (d) post-doctoral 
fellowships awarded to applicants resident (at the time 
of application) in that province (c) leave fellowships 
awarded to applicants resident (at the time of applica- 
tion) in that province (/) research grants of $6,000.00 or 
less, awarded to residents (at the time of application) of 
that province (g) research grants of $6,000.00 or less 
awarded which were payable in that province (h) travel 
grants to international meetings awarded to residents of 
that province, made by the Canada Council? — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-2/4. 

No. 5 — Mr. Nowlan 

For each of the provinces, what was the number of 
applications, in each of the past five years, received by 
the Canada Council for (a) doctoral-fellowships from 
students studying (at the time of application) in that 
province (b) doctoral-fellowships from students of home 
residence (at the time of application) in that province 
(c) doctoral-fellowships to be held by students pui'suing 
doctoral studies in that province (d) post-doctoral fellow- 
ships from residents (at the time of application) of that 
province (e) leave fellowships, from residents, at the 
time of application, of that province (/) research grants 
of $6,000.00 or less, from residents (at the time of appli- 
cation) of that province (g) research grants of $6,000.00 



No. 7— Mr. Nowlan ' 

1 . For each of the pi'ovinces, in each of the past five 
years, what was the number of visual arts (a) awards 
(b) bursaries (c) short-term grants (d) travel grants 
(e) materials grants, made by the Canada Council to 
residents (at the time of application) in that province? 

2 . For each of the provinces, what was the number of 
applications to the Canada Council, originating in that 
province, in each of the past five years for visual arts 
(a) awards (b) bursaries (c) short-term grants (d) 
travel grants (e) materials grants? 

3. For each of the provinces, in each of the past five 
years, what were the total expenditures for visual arts 
(a) awards (b) bursaries (c) short-term grants (d) 
travel grants (e) materials grants, paid to residents (at 
the time of application) in that province, by the Canada 
Council? 

4. What was the success rate of applications to the 
Canada Council, in each of the past five years, for visual 
arts (a) awards (b) bursaries (c) short-term grants 
(d) travel grants (e) materials grants? — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-2/7. 

No. 8 — Mr. Nowlan 

1 . For each of the provinces, in each of the past five 
years, what was the number of writing (a) awards (b) 
bursaries (c) short-term grants (d) travel grants, made 
by the Canada Council to residents (at the time of ap- 
plication) of that province? 

2. For each of the provinces, what was the number of 
applications, originating in that province, made to the 
Canada Council, in each of the past five years for writ- 
ing (a) awards (b) bursaries (c) short-term grants 
(d) travel grants? 

3. For each of the provinces, in each of the past five 
years, what were the total expenditures for writing (a) 
awards (b) bursaries (c) short-term grants (d) travel 
grants, paid to resi<ients (at Iho time of application) of 
that province, by the Canada Council? 

4. What was the success nito of application.'; to Uw 
Canada C^ouncil, in each of (he past (lv(' yc.irs, for writ- 
ing (a) awards (b) l)iMsarics (<■) short-tei tn grants id) 
travel grants? — Sessional I'apcr No. 283-2/fi. 

No. 128— Mr. Forrestall 

By department, are there any plans to expand odice 
and other floor space either through ownership or leasing 
in the constituency of Dartmouth-Halifax East in any 
of the next three years? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/128. 

No. 196— Mr. Saltsman 

1. For each fiscal year 1965/66 to 1969/70, what re- 
ports of the Restiictive Trade Practices Commission have 



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been referred to the Department of Justice for Court 
proceedings? 

2. What reports have been brought before the Courts 
by the Justice Department, and in each case, what was 
the result? 

3. For those reports by the Restrictive Trade Prac- 
tices Commission referred to the Justice Department for 
Court action but were not proceeded with, in each case, 
what are the specific reasons for this action? — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-2/196. 

No. 226 — Mr. Burton 

1 . When was the FRED Agreement between the Gov- 
ernments of Canada and New Brunswick, for Northeast 
New Brunswick first signed, and for what period of 
time? 

2. What are the federal and provincial contributions 
to this plan respectively, and what expenditures have 
been made to September 30, 1970? 

3 . When was the FRED Agreement between the Gov- 
ernments of Canada and New Brunswick for the Mac- 
taquac area in New Brunswick first signed, and for what 
period of time? 

4. What are the federal and provincial contributions 
to this plan respectively, and what expenditures have 
been made to September 30, 1970? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/226. 



No. 227 — Mr. Burton 

1 . When was the FRED Agreement between the Gov- 
ernments of Canada and Prince Edward Island first 
signed, and for what period of time? 

2. What are the federal and provincial contributions 
to this plan respectively, and what expenditures have 
been made to September 30, 1970? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/227. 

No. 228 — Mr. Burton 

1 . When was the FRED Agreement between the Gov- 
ernments of Canada and the Government of Manitoba on 
the Interlake area first signed, and for what period of 
time? 

2. What are the federal and provincial contributions 
to this plan respectively, and what expenditures have 
been made to September 30, 1970? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/228. 



No. 229— Mr. Burton 

1 . When was the FRED Agreement between the Gov- 
ernments of Canada and the Province of Quebec in the 
lower St. Lawrence Gaspe and Iles-dc-la-Madeleine first 
Signed, and for what period of time? 

2. What are the federal and provincial contributions to 
ihis plan respectively, and what expenditures have been 
made to September 30, 1970? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/229. 



No. 233— Mr. McCleave 

What are the names of the companies or individuals, 
their postal addresses, the amounts received by them, 
and the nature of work done or service performed, in 
connection with the item, "Professional and special serv- 
ices", in the budget of the Canadian Radio-Television 
Commission since April 1, 1968? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/233. 

No. 252 — Mr. Lewis 

1. For the fiscal year 1970-71, what is the estimated 
total Canadian parliamentary appropriation for foreign 
aid programs? 

2. For the fiscal year 1970-71, what is the estimated 
total actual expenditures by the Government of Canada 
on foreign aid programs? 

3. For the fiscal year 1970-71, what are the estimated 
Canadian Government's foreign aid (a) allocations (b) 
estimated expenditures to (i) Latin America (ii) Colombo 
Plan (iii) Commonwealth Caribbean Assistance Plan (iv) 
Special Commonwealth Africa Assistance Plan (v) In- 
dependent French-speaking African States (vi) other 
countries? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/252. 

No. 305 — Mr. Fortin 

1. For each year since 1960, has Canada imported 
butter and, if so (a) in what quantity (b) by quantity, 
from what countries (c) at what average price (d) 
was this butter earmarked partly for domestic con- 
sumption and, if so, in what quantity? 

2. If part of this butter was earmarked for processing 
to be re-exported (a) how many pounds each year (b) 
what plants processed the butter (c) what was the 
quantity processed by each plant (d) what was the 
cost lo the government to have the butter processed 
(e) in what form, to which countries and at what price 
was the butter .sold? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/305. 

No. 453— Mr. Orlikow 

1 . What is the formula used in calculating the size 
of the federal grant to a province under the Federal- 
Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act 1967 (Post Second- 
ary Education Adjustment Payments) for universities 
only? 

2. For each year that statistics are available, what 
amount has been granted to each province since the Act 
came into force? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/453. 

No. 549— Mr. Broadbent 

1 • What programs on CBC Television have been (a) 

cancelled (b) postponed (c) altered, on both the French 
and English networks as a result of the events surround- 
ing the Quebec crisis? 

2. What was the reason in each case? 

3. Mow many CBC^ crofjloyees on l)oth the French and 
English networks have been («) repriiiiaficii-d (h) .sus- 
pended (C) fired, since October 5, 1970, jiikI wliol w.i.s 
the reason in each case? 



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4. How many persons working for the CBC on a 
contract basis have had their contracts cancelled or 
have been given notice that their contracts will not be 
renewed since October 5, 1970, and what was the reason 
in each case? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/549. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



(Proceedings on Adjournvnent Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs 
of Bill C-203, An Act to amend the Pension Act and the 
Civilian War Pensions and Allowances Act; 

Mr. Dube, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Schumacher for Mr. Asselin on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices oj Motions) 

Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give immediate considera- 
tion to the introduction of legislation to abolish poverty 
by redistributing income and planning productive re- 
sources so that the wealth created by modern tech- 
nology may provide a much more equal standard of 
living for Canadians, regardless of who or where they 
may be, and may also be used to enable Canada to 
contribute a fair share of this country's wealth toward 
greater equality of living standards throughout the 
world. — (Notice of Motion No. 8). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Dube, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen,— That Bill C-203, An Act 
to amend the Pension Act and the Civilian War Pen- 
sions and Allowances Act, be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans 
Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Goyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, by command of His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral, — Report of the Solicitor General of Canada for the 
fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 
(5) of the Government Organization Act, 1966, chapter 
25, Statutes of Canada, 1966-67. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/25. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of a Contract between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Municipality of Grande 
Cache, Alberta, pursuant to subsection 3 of section 20 
of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, chapter 54, 
Statutes of Canada, 1959.- Sessional Paper No. 283-1/266. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of a Contract between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Municipality of Spruce 
Grove, Alberta, pursuant to subsection 3 of section 20 
of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, chapter 54, 
Statutes of Canada, 1959.— Sessional Paper No. 283- 
1/26'6A. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council,— Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
December 23, 1970, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-1/344A. 

By Mr. Marchand, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report on the Operation of the Regional De- 
velopment Incentives Act for the period December 1 to 



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December 31, 1970, pursuant to section 16 of the said 
Act, chapter 56, Statutes of Canada, 1968-69. (English 
and French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/332. 



section 12 of the said Act, chapter 213, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/210. 



By Mr. Olson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
— Report on Activities under the Prairie Farm Assistance 
Act, for the Crop Year ended July 31, 1970, pursuant to 



At 10.16 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Speaker: At the opening of yesterday's sitting of 
the House, the honourable Member for Peace River rose 
on a question of privilege relating to proceedings before 
the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs. The honourable Member took exception to in- 
structions issued under the authority of the Chairman of 
that committee to the effect that only certain persons 
would be invited to give evidence before the committee 
when it considered Bill C-180. These instructions were 
transmitted by letter over the signature of the Clerk of 
the committee. 

It should be noted at the outset that the conduct of the 
Clerk has not been questioned by the honourable Mem- 
ber since he was obviously acting under instructions re- 
ceived from the Chairman. The question is to determine 
whether the Chairman's action constitutes a prima jacic 
case of privilege. 

As honourable Members well know, committee proceed- 
ings are the responsibility of the committees themselves. 
Indeed, Citation 324(1) of Beauchesne's 4lh Edition 
states that it is irregular to refer to the proceedings or to 



the evidence taken in a committee; such discussions can 
take place in the House only when a committee report 
has been received and is before the House for considera- 
tion. The honourable Member for Peace River suggested 
that the Chairman of the committee had no right to 
decide on his own what witnesses should be called by the 
committee of which he is the presiding officer. In this 
respect, the honourable Member is quite right. Only the 
committee, by a majority, can make such a decision. 
The honourable Member for York East speaking to the 
question of privilege claimed he had acted according to 
instructions received from the steering committee. This 
was questioned by the lionourable Member for Van- 
couver-Kingsway (Mrs. Maclnnis). Obviously the issue 
should be resolved by the committee itself rather than by 
the House or by referral to another commitlci'. 

The Standing Committee on IIcHlth, W«'lfarc .mrl Soclnl 
Affairs will meet in due course and will he fn>c to adopt 
whatever procedure it may deem appropriate in the cir- 
cumstances for the calling of witnesses, including, if it .so 
wishes, a procedure different from that suggested in the 



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Committee Clerk's letter. All that is required is an ap- 
propriate motion carried by a majority of its members. 

I would suggest, therefore, that this matter is essen- 
tially one for the consideration of the committee. The 
honourable Member for Peace River may have had a 
grievance but I suggest, with respect, that the matter does 
not constitute a prima facie case of breach of parlia- 
mentary privilege and that it ought not to be considered 
further by the House at this time. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill C-184, An Act to amend 
the Export Development Act; 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. Cote 
(LongucuiD, moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
second lime and referred to the Standing Commitlce on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered one to five were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs of Bill C-23, An Act to amend the Finan- 
cial Adniinistration Act (Parliamentary Commissioner 
for Administration) ; 

Mr. Thompson (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Ricard, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on External Affairs 
and National Defence of Bill S-4, An Act to implement 
an agreement amending the Trade Agreement between 
Canada and New Zealand; 

Mr. Basford for Mr. Sharp, seconded by Mr. Gray, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on External 
Affairs and National Defence. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and, by unanimous consent, referred to the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



{Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.07 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. La Salle and Corriveau for Messrs. Southam 
and Yanakis on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Messrs. McGrath, Smith (Saint-Jean), Roy (Laval), 
Tliomas (Maisonneuve-Rosemont) . Dupras and Robinson 
for Messrs. Ritcliic, Isabellc, Foster, Clermont, Guilbault 
and Lessard (IjaSallc) on the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Noble for Mr. Hees on the Standing Committee on 
Public Accounts. 

Mcssis. Papi'ixski, Hales and Comoau for Messrs. Ry- 
nard, Marshall and MontciUi on the Slnndin;; Committee 
on Health, Welfure and S(jcial Affairs. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. MacEachen 
for Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. Cote (Longuouil), — 
That Bill C-184, An Act to amend the Export Develop- 
ment Act, be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 



licturyis anil Ilcporls Dcpositi'd u)ith 
the (Jlcrk nf tlic House 

The follfjwirig p:ipers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House wcmc laid ui)on the Tabh; pursuant to 
Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, ;i IVTcniiu-r of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, by command oi ;iis KNccllcncy the Governoi- General, 
— Public Accounts of Canada, Volumes I, H and HI, for 
the fiscal year ended March 31, li)70, pursuant to section 
64(1) of the Financial Administration Act as enacted by. 



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section 16, chapter 27, Statutes of Canada, 1968-69. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/214. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council. — Return to an Order of the House, dated Decem- 
ber 9, 1970, for a copy of the study by H. C. Pentland, 
Winnipeg, undertaken for the Department of Manpower 
and Immigration regarding the "Evakiation report on the 
activities of the Joint Consultative Conimittee, Manitoba 
Rolling Mills, Selkirk, Manitoba". — {Notice of Motion jor 
Production of Papers No. 20) — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/20. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated November 25, 1970, for copies of all correspondence 
between the Prime Minister of Canada and representa- 
tives of twenty-one Eskimo communities in the North- 
west Territories and out of Quebec regarding Aboriginal 
Rights in the Canadian Arctic and Oil Exploration in the 
North. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 53)— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/53. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated December 16, 1970, for a copy of the consultant 
report by RCA Victor Company Limited on a Canadian 
Communications satellite system undertaken for the 
Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce in the 
fiscal year 1968-69, as mentioned in answer to Question 
Number 1,323 of the 1st Session of this Parliament. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 63) — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-3/63. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated December 16, 1970, for a copy of the consultant 
report by Northern Electric Company Limited on Cana- 
dian Communications satellite systems undertaken for the 
Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce in answer 
to Question Number 1,323 of the 1st Session of this Par- 
liament. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 88)— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/88. 



By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated June 17, 1970, for a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams and other documents exchanged between the 
Depaitment of Indian Affairs and Northern Development 
and any other person since January 1, 1969 relating to 
any aspect of the fi.sh canning industry in B.C. and par- 
ticularly to the possibility that canneries along the North 
Coasted area may be owned, managed and operated by 
Native Indian people. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 492) — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/492. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, (Question No. 1,362) showing: 1. 
Has the contract price for H.M.C.S. Protector and Pre- 
server been changed from the amount of $50,186,650.00 
indicated in answer to Part 4 of Question Number 1,305 
answered February 17, 1969 and, if so, what is the pres- 
ent contract price? 

2 . If an increase is involved, what factors contributed 
to such an increase and what are the amounts involved? 

3 . What is the estimated amount that will be paid the 
contractor when the two ships are completed? 

4. Was the delivery date of September, 1969 met for 
the first ship as indicated in answer to Part 7 of Question 
Number 1,305 and, if so, what is the present operational 
status of the ship and where is it located? 

5 . If the ship is not operational, what are the reasons? 

6. Will the delivery date of February, 1970 for the 
second ship be met as indicated in answer to Part 7 
of Question Number 1,305? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/1,362. 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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PRAYERS 



Mr. Otto, from the Standing Committee on Health, 
Welfare and Social Affairs, presented the Second Report 
of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Wednesday, 
December 16, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill 
S-7, An Act to repeal the Leprosy Act, and has agreed 
to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issue No. 3) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 17 to the 
Journals) . 



Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre) , by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-216, An Act to amend the Canada Labour (Standards) 
Code, which was read the first time and ordered to be 
printed and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 53 — Mr. Orlikow 

Who are the employees and staff of the Prices and 
Incomes Commission, and in each case (a) what was 
each employee's salary or wage in his previous employ- 
ment (b) what was the former source of employment 
i.e. public service, university, industry, etc. (c) what was 
the exact date of commencing work for the Commission 
(d) what salary or wage was offered and accepted by 
each employee when joining the Commission (c) what 
was the percentage increase or decrease in salary levels 
compared to his former source of employment (/) what 
salary or wage increases, if any, in amounts and per- 
centage increases were received by the employees, and 
the reasons for such increases (g) what employees were 
hired on a contract basis and, in each case, what is the 
time limit and specific provisions regarding basic salary 
and future increments? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/53. 



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No. 98 — Mrs. Maclnnis 

1. For the fiscal year 1969/70, how many complaints 
were received by the Department of Consumer and 
Corporate Affairs regarding misleading advertising in 
Canada? 

2. How many of these complaints were subject to an 
investigation by the Department? 

3. In each case, what were the results of the investi- 
gation and what were the criteria used by the Depart- 
ment regarding further action in the courts? 

4. How many complaints did the Department send 
to the Department of Justice for prosecution? 

5. How many prosecutions did the Department of 
Justice undertake and, in each case, what was the result? 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-2/98. 

No. 474- — Mr. Paproski 

1 . Were tenders called for contract 9C-05735 covering 
construction of Postal Station Vanier and, if so (a) what 
was the number of bids received (b) what was the 
highest and what was the lowest (c) what bid was ac- 
cepted (d) how was the notice of tender publicized? 

2. If no tenders were submitted, for what reason? 

3 . Who was awarded the contract? 

4. If the Department of Public Works executed the 
contract (a) what was the cost of (i) architectural 
supervision (ii) engineering supervision (iii) excavation 
(iv) foundation (v) super structure roofing contractor 
and concrete supplier (vi) masonry construction (vii) 
interior divisions plastering and interior finish partition 
(viii) heating and air conditioning (ix) electrical wiring 
(x) plumbing and heating (b) by whom was same 
done? 

5. Who was the bonding company for sub-contracts? 

6. With whom was the insurance placed for sub- 
trades? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/474. 

No. 477 — Mr. Paproski 

1 . Were tenders called for contract OC-00154 cover- 
ing alterations to Building "D", Phase 2, The Language 
Centre, Carson's Road, and, if so (a) what was the 
number of bids received (b) what was the highest 
and what was the lowest (c) what bid was accepted (d) 
how was the notice of tender publicized? 

2. If no tenders were submitted, for what reason? 

3. Who was awarded the contract? 

4. If the Department of Public Works executed the 
contract (a) what was the cost of (i) architectural 
supervision (ii) engineering supervision (iii) excavation 
(iv) foundation (v) super structure roofing contractor 
and concrete supplier (vi) masonry construction (vii) 
interior divisions plastering and interior finish partition 
(viii) heating and air conditioning (ix) electrical wiring 
(x) plumbing and heating (b) by whom was same 
done? 

5. Who was the bonding company for sub-contracts? 

6. With whom was the insurance placed for sub- 
trades?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/477. 



Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
11, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of a 
list of (a) the approximately 200 primary distributors 
of Government of Canada marketable securities, and (b) 
the primary distributors who are at present eligible to 
enter into purchase and resale agreements with the 
Bank of Canada, as mentioned in answer to Question 
Number 65 and reported in Hansard of December 17, 
1969, at page 2067, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) for 
the honourable Member for Waterloo (Mr. Saltsman), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
14, as follows: 

That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House copies of all correspondence, memoranda, etc., 
provided to the Department of Consumer and Corporate 
Affairs by the United States Justice Department on 
anti-combines matters related to auto manufacturers 
and a conspiracy to delay development of anti-smog 
devices, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
19, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study by economist David F. Smith of the Mechanical 
Transport Branch, Department of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce on "The Effects of Canada-United States Wage 
Parity Upon the Cost Structure of the Canadian Auto- 
motive Industries", 

haying been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
41, as follows: 

That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House a copy of all correspondence between the De- 



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partment of External Affairs and the United States 
Government in relation to the Manhattan project, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



having been called was at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
73, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
consultant report by H. R. Kemp on data on subsidiaries 
in Canada undertaken for the Department of Industry, 
Trade and Commerce for the fiscal year 1966-67, as 
mentioned in answer to Question Number 1,323 of the 
1st Session of this Parliament, 

having been called was, at the request of the Hon- 
ourable the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of "No- 
tices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 
48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
94, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
report on Lobbying prepared for the Minister of Con- 
sumer and Corporate Affairs, 

having been called was, at the request of the Hon- 
ourable the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motion (Papers) " pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
109, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
interdepartmental committee report on the applicability 
of metric measurement in Canada as mentioned in 
answer to Question Number 2,706 as reported in Hansard 
on October 22, 1969, page 11,702, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honour- 
able the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen), transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing 
Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
165, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
economic study undertaken in the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development regarding the devel- 
opment of iron ore deposits on Baffin Island, 
2416&— 17 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all correspondence and other documents concerning 
the tender and contract for mail service on R.R.I, 
Southey, Saskatchewan, and other correspondence and 
documents concerning the operation of said mail service 
since its inception. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 172 — Mr. Burton). 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs of Bill C-192, An Act respecting young 
offenders and to repeal the Juvenile Delinquents Act; 

Mr. Goyer, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. McCleave, proposed 
to move in amendment thereto, — That all the words 
after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"Bill C-192, be not now read a second time but that 
the subject-matter thereof be referred to a task 
force appointed under the Inquiries Act by the Gov- 
ernor in Council after consultation with the leaders 
of the opposition parties of this House." 

By unanimous consent, the said amendment was modi- 
fied to read as follows: 

That all the words after "That" be deleted and the 
following substituted therefor: 

"Bill C-192, be not now read a second time but that 
the subject-matter thereof be referred to a task 
force appointed under the Inquiries Act." 

And debate arising thereon; 



Changes in Comviittee McnLbcrship 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Corriveau, Loiselle, Cullcn and Bhiir for 
Messrs. Lcssard (Lac-Saint-Jcan), Ouellot, F'ostor and 
Laniel on the Standing ComniilLee on Veterans Alfairs. 

Messrs. Guilbnult and Daiiforth for Mc.ssr.s. Kaplan 
and Comoau on the Standing Coinniillee on Health, 
Welfare and Social Affains. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report on the Administration of the Members of 
Parliament Retiring Allowances Act for the fiscal year 
ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section 18 of the said 
Act, chapter 329, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/173. 

By Mr. Benson, — Report of the Superintendent of In- 
surance of Canada, Volume III, Annual Statements — 
Life Insurance Companies and Fraternal Benefit Socie- 



ties, for the year ended December 31, 1969, pursuant to 
section 9 of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French) .—Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/167. 

Mr. Lang (Saskatoon-Humboldt), a Member of the 
Queen's Privy Council, — Supplementary Report of the 
Canadian Wheat Board on the 1968-69 Pool Accounts 
for Wheat, Oats and Barley, certified by the Auditors, 
pursuant to section 7(2) of the Canadian Wheat Board 
Act, chapter 44, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/259. 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, JANUARY 14, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Shax-p, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon tlie Table,— Report of the International Joint 
Commission on Pollution of Lake Erie, Lake Ontario and 
the International Section of the St. Lawrence River— 
1970. (English and French).— Sessional Paper No. 283- 
6/32. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called, pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Item numbered 24 was allowed to stand and retain 
its position at ttie request of the Kovcrnmcnt. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Goyer, seconded by Mr. MacEachen,— That Bill C-192, 
An Act respecting young offenders and to repeal the 
Juvenile Delinquents Act be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 

And on the motion of Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. 
McCleave, in amendment thereto, — That all the words 
after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"Bill C-192, be not now read a second time but that 
the subject-matter thereof be referred to a task 
force appointed under the Inquiries Act." 

And debate continuing; 

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By unanimous consent, items numbered 115 to 120, 
inclu.iive, standing in the name of the hotiournble Mem- 
ber for Vancouver-King.swny (Mrs. MacInniH) were 
withdrawn. 



Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Witmipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That an Order of the House do 
issue for a copy of the study "Causes et cons6quences 
demographiques, economiqucs ct sociales de la pratique 
de la m^thode thermique de regulation des naissances" 
funded by the Department of National Health and Wel- 
fare in the fiscal year 1969-70. — {Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 121). 



And debate arising thei'eon; 



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The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Goyer, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen,— That Bill C-192, An Act 
respecting young offenders and to repeal the Juvenile 
Delinquents Act be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

And on the motion of Mr. Woolliams, seconded by Mr. 
McCleave, in amendment thereto, — That all the words 
after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"Bill C-192, be not now read a second time but that 
the subject-matter thereof be referred to a task 
force appointed under the Inquiries Act." 

And debate continuing; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Code for Mr. McKinley on the Special Committee 
on Election Expenses. 

Messrs. Benjamin and Portelance for Messrs. Knowles 
(Winnipeg North Centre) and Roy (Laval) on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Messrs. Grills, Alkenbrack, Downey and Noble for 
Messrs. Danforth, Korchinski, Mazankowski and Stewart 
(Marquette) on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Blair for Mr. Penner on the Standing Committee 
on Procedure and Organization. 



At 10.31 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, JANUARY 15, 1971 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received 
a communication notifying him that a vacancy had oc- 
curred in the representation, namely: 

H. Russell MacEwan, Esquire, Member for the Elec- 
toral District of Central Nova, by resignation. 

And that he had addressed his warrant to the Chief 
Electoral Officer for the issue of a new Writ of Election 
for the said Electoral District. 



ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF CENTRAL NOVA 
HOUSE OF COMMONS 

To the nonourdhtv thv Spvtikvr o/ the Uoime of Coiuuioiik: 

I, H. Kus.soll MacEwan. Member of Ihc House of Com- 
mons for the Electoral District of Central Nova, do hereby 
resign my scat in the House of Commons for the constit- 
uency aforesaid, effective midnight this date. 

Given under my hand and seal this fourteenth day of 
January, A.D. 1971. 

H. RUSSELL MacEWAN (L.S.) 

Witness: Frances Smith 
Witness: Bonnie Weir 



The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to the Standing Committee on Agriculture of Bill 
C-185, An Act to amend the Crop Insurance Act; 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Laing 
(Vancouver South), moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Commit- 
tee on Agriculture. 

And debate arising thereon; 



\At 4.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Mnnbvrs' Business was 
Cdllvd pxirsuaut to Standing Order 15{4)] 

(^Notices 0/ Motioiis) 

By unanimous consent, items numbered nine, twelve, 
thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, 
nineteen, twenty and twenty-one were allowed to stand 
and retain their position. 



Mr. MacLean, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should con- 



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sider setting up, in co-operation with the provinces, an 
Institute of Human Environmental Studies to determine, 
among other matters (a) the degree of air, soil, water 
and noise pollution the human species can tolerate with- 
out serious effects on physical and mental health (b) the 
type of environment which stimulates the most desirable 
qualities of physical and mental health in the human 
species (c) the type of national development which 
would give satisfactory environment to the greatest pos- 
sible number of Canadians, and (d) the minimum of 
modifications to the present day indiscriminate and 
largely unplanned growth of our metropolitan areas 
necessary to put within reach of the inhabitants of these 
areas a quality of environment which would provide (i) 
adequate housing (ii) adequate recreational facilities, 
including parkland and (iii) adequate social infrastruc- 
ture, such as transportation, education, hospital and 
recreation facilities. — (Notice of Motion No. 23). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
January 13, 1971, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-1/333. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated December 16, 1970, for a copy of the study by 
Louise M. Tremblay, Montreal, undertaken for the De- 
partment of Manpower and Immigration, regarding the 
"Evaluation on the activity of the Research Commission 
on the results of the industrial change at the Windsor 
(Quebec) Factory of the Domtar Pulp and Paper Com- 
pany". — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 39). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/39. 



At 5.01 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, JANUARY 18, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 76 — Mr. Orlikow 

For each Crown corporation and agency since their 
establishment (a) who are the chief executive officers 
and the Board of Directors (b) when were each of 
the officers and directors first appointed and for what 
length of time (c) which officers and directors were 
reappointed and for what length of time (d) what an- 
nual salary or remuneration was given to each execu- 
tive officer and director (e) what criteria was used in 
the appointment of the chief executive officers and the 
Board of Directors? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/76. 



No. 484 — Mr. Reid 

1 . What action has the government taken to provide 
scientific research in the area of mercury pollution 
since May 15, 1970, specifically the causes of the break- 
down of mercury in waterways, and the possible means 
of removing the contamination from the waterways 
affected? 

2. What continuing program of scientific research has 
the government on aU aspects of mercury pollution? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/484. 



No. 581 — Mr. Nielsen 

By location, what airports controlled by DOT are 
equipped with (a) ILS (b) PAR (c) VASIS (d) ADF 
(e) VOR (f) runway overruns (g) runway grooving? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/581. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That this House 
approves in general the budgetary policy of the Gov- 
ernment. 

And on the motion oC Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West), 
seconded by Mr. Monteith, In umcndineiit thuioto, — Tlmt 
the motion be amended by deleting ull the words after 
"That" and substituting therefor: 

"this Hou.se deplores the abysmal failure oC the Kov- 
erninent to make any budgetary propoHaJH to ofT«?c- 
tivcly stimulate the Canadian economy with a view 
to an early substantial reduction of high winter un- 
employment and to alleviate the economic plight of 
pensioners and other Canadians in receipt of incomes 
below the poverty level, as described by the Economic 
Council of Canada." 
And debate continuing; 



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{Proceedings on Adiournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Danforth for Mr. Harkness on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



Mr. Allmand for Mr. Crossman on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Messrs. Weatherhead and MacLean for Messrs. Francis 
and MacEwan on the Standing Committee on Veterans 
Affairs. 

Mr. Gleave for Mr. Saltsman on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Paproski for Mr. McCutcheon on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 



At 10.19 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Jamieson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Final Report entitled 
"The Seaway in Canada's Transportation: An Economic 
Analysis" — Volume 1, October, 1970. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-4/35. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That this House 
approves in general the budgetary policy of the Gov- 
ernment. 

And on the motion of Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West), 
seconded by Mr. Monteith, in amendment thereto, — That 
the motion be amended by deleting all the words after 
"That" and substituting therefor: 



"this House deplores the abysmal failure of the gov- 
ernment to make any budgetary proposals to effec- 
tively stimulate the Canadian economy with a view 
to an early substantial reduction of high winter un- 
employment and to alleviate the economic plight of 
pensioners and other Canadians in receipt of incomes 
below the poverty level, as described by the Economic 
Council of Canada." 

And debate continuing; 



At 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the de- 
bate pursuant to Standing Order 60(7) and the question 
being put on the said proposed amendment, it was 
negatived on the following division: 



Yeas 
Messrs. 



Alexander, 


Bigg, 


Danforth, 


Forrestall, 


Gundlock, 


Asselin, 


Brewin, 


Dionne, 


Fortin, 


Hales, 


Baldwin, 


Burton, 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Gauthler, 


Harding, 


Bamett, 


Cadieu, 


Cowichan-The 


Gilbert, 


Harkness, 


Beaudoin, 


Coates, 


I.slands), 


Cleave, 


Hees, 


BeU. 


Comeau, 


Downey, 


Godin, 


Horner, 


Benjamin, 


Crouse, 


Flenuning, 


Grills. 


Howard (Skeonn) 


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Howe, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Knowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Korchinski, 
Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
Laprise, 
La Salle, 
Latulippe, 
Lewis, 



Allmand, 

Anderson, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

B6chard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boul anger, 

Breau, 

Brown, 

Caccia, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Corbin, 

Corriveau, 

Cote (Richelieu), 

C6t4 (Longueuil), 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 

Deakon, 



Lundrigan, 

MacDonald 
(Egmont), 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

Maclnnis (Mrs.), 

MacLean, 

Macquarrie, 

McCleave, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 



Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dube, 
Dupras, 
Duquet, 
fimard, 
Faulkner, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gervais, 
Gibson, 
Goode, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 
Guay 

(St. Boniface), 
Guay (L6vis), 
Guilbault, 
Haidasz, 
Hogarth, 



Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir, 

Murta, 

Nielsen, 

Noble, 

Nowlan, 

Nystrom, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Nays 

Messrs. 

Hopkins, 

Jamieson, 

Jerome, 

Kaplan, 

Laflamme, 

Laing 

(Vancouver South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 

LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 
LoiseUe, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
Mackasey, 
Major, 
Marceau, 



Peters, 

Ricard, 

Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Rondeau, 

Rose, 

Rowland, 

Rynard, 

Saltsman, 

Schumacher, 

Scott, 

Simpson, 

Skoberg, 



Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Morison, 

Murphy, 

Noel, 

Olson, 

Orange, 

Osier, 

Otto, 

Ouellet, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Robinson, 

Rock, 

Roy (Laval), 

Serre, 

Sharp, 

Smerchanski, 

Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 



Skoreyko, 
Southam, 
Stanfield, 
Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Tetrault, 
Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Valade, 
Woolliams, 
Yewchuk— 89. 



Stafford, 

Stanbury, 

Stewart 

(Cochrane), 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
SuUivan, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner (Ottawa- 

Carieton), 
Walker, 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting, 
Yanakia— 108. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. McKinley for Mr. Code on the Special Committee 
on Election Expenses. 

Mr. Boulanger for Mr. Leblanc (Laurier) on the 
Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 

Mr. Ouellet for Mr. Howard (Okanagan Boundary) on 
the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 



Messrs. Rock and Lessard (LaSalle) for Messrs. Smith 
(Saint- Jean) and Dupras on the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Osier for Mr. Foster on the Special Joint Com- 
mittee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Murta for Mr. Knowles (Norfolk-Haldimand) on 
the Special Committee on Environmental Pollution. 

Mr. Leblanc (Laurier) for Mr. Boulanger on the 
Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 

Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West) for Mr. McCleave on 
the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization. 



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Messrs. Lefebvre, Gendron and Breau for Messrs. 
Whicher, Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo) and Sulatycky 
on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Asselin for Mr. Schumacher on the Special Joint 
Committee on the Constitution of Canada. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Supplementary Return to an Order of the 
House dated November 25, 1970 {Question No. 392), show- 
ing: How many (a) doctors (b) dentists (c) accountants 



(d) chemists (e) engineers (/) architects (g) uni- 
versity professors and/or lecturers (h) other profes- 
sionals immigrated to Canada from the United States 
each year 1950 to 1970 inclusive? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/392A. 

By Mr. Richardson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, by command of His Excellency the Governor 
General, — Report of the Department of Supply and Ser- 
vices for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant 
to section 51 of the Government Organization Act, 1969, 
chapter 28, Statutes of Canada, 1968-69. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/29. 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m.., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Tur- 
ner (Ottawa-Carleton), by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-217, An Act to implement an agreement for the 
avoidance of double taxation with respect to income tax 
between Canada and Jamaica, which was read the first 
time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 272 — Mr. Paproski 

1. What lands and properties are (a) owned (b) 
leased (c) administered by the National Capital Com- 
naission in the Capital region outside the City of Ottawa? 

2. Of the lands owned, which were acquired by (a) 
sale (b) expropriation? 

3. Of those lands acquired by sale or expropriation, 
when were transfers made and, what was the price (a) 
per acre for land (b) per square foot for property? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/272. 

No. 289— Mr. Orlikow 

1. How many price increases have been brought to 
the attention of the Prices and Incomes Commission to 
the end of October 1970? 



2. How many price increases or changes have been 
reported by companies, and how many have been re- 
ported by private individuals? 

3. For each price increase report received by the 
Commission (a) what was the result of the initial inves- 
tigation (b) what criteria were used in the evaluation 
of these price increases? 

4. Of the total number of price increase reports re- 
ceived bj' the Commission (a) how many have been sub- 
jected to a preliminary investigation (b) how many 
have been subjected to a full-scale price review? 

5. What criteria were used by the Commission for 
undertaking a comprehensive and full-scale price review 
into the particular price increase announced? 

6. What is the breakdown, by product group, of all 
price increase reports received by the Commission to the 
end of October, 1970?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/289. 

No. 420— Mr. Hales 

1. On what date was the logo adopted by the Depart- 
ment of (a) Consumer and Corpointe AfTnlrs (b) Indus- 
try, Trade and Commerce (c) Labour (rf) Manpower 
and Immigration (c) National Health and Wflfnrc? 

2. Was it designed by the Department or an out.sldc 
consultant? 



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3. If it was designed by a consultant, what was the 
fee charged?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/420. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the consultant report by D. W. Carr and Associates of 
Ottawa, prepared for the St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 
regarding the future role of the Seaway in Canada's 
rural transportation. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
iuction of Papers No. 44 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House copies 
of all correspondence between the Department of Con- 
sumer and Corporate Affairs, the Department of Finance, 
the Minister without Portfolio responsible for Housing 
and Mr. Sydney Bell, C.L.U., Managing Director, In- 
surance and Financial Consulting Service, Winnipeg, 
Manitoba, concerning the feasibility of establishing a 
public life insurance plan. — (^Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 157 — Mr. Rowland). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the Carr Study or Report regarding the St. Lawrence 
Seaway. — (, Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 167 — Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia)). 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs 
and Nortliern Development of Bill C-193, An Act to 
amend the Northern Canada Power Commission Act; 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Cliretien, seconded by Mr. 
Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time and referred to the Standing 
Committee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, proposed to 
move in amendment thereto, — That all the words after 
"That" be left out and the following inserted: 

"this Bill be not now read a second time but that 
the subject-matter of the recommendation in relation 
to the Bill be referred to a Committee of the Whole 
House." 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: Earlier this afternoon the hon- 
ourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen), seconded by 
the honourable Member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin), 
put a motion before the House. At that time I asked 
the House for an opportunity to consider it and to look 
at the authorities. If honourable Members agree I intend 
to dispose of the motion now, and make a brief comment 
on my reasons. 



Before doing so it might be useful if I read the main 
motion and the amendment proposed tliereto by the 
honourable Member for Yukon. The main motion is: 
"That Bill C-193, An Act to amend the Northern Canada 
Power Commission Act, be read a second time and re- 
ferred to the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development." 

The proposed amendment thereto is: "That all the 
words after "That" be left out and the following inserted: 
"this Bill be not now read a second time but tliat 
the subject-matter of the recommendation in relation 
to the Bill be referred to a Committee of tlie Whole 
House." 

I have had an opportunity to consider the very help- 
ful arguments on the procedural point posed by honour- 
able Members, and to consult some of the authorities. 
I will very briefly give the two points which I feel 
make the proposed motion unacceptable to the Chair 
on a procedural basis. 

The first point relates to relevancy. Honourable Mem- 
bers will note that the amendment is that the subject- 
matter of the recommendation be referred to a 
Committee of the Whole House rather than the subject- 
matter of the Bill itself. I might point out that the recom- 
mendation is not before the House in any legal or formal 
sense. The relevant Standing Order provides that a 
recommendation is to be attached or annexed to a Bill. 
I believe this is for the convenience of Members. 

It seems to me that the recommendation is not part 
of the Bill and that we cannot consider it as such. The 
recommendation, therefore, is not relevant to the pro- 
visions of the bill. Rather, it is relevant to the recom- 
mendation and extraneous to the Bill. Without reading 
it I might mention Beauchesne's citation 203 ( 1 ) , which is 
helpful in this regard. 

The honourable Member for Skeena (Mr. Howard) 
posed a very helpful argument on the procedural as- 
pects and the substance of this amendment. If I followed 
him correctly he suggested that if the motion was adopted 
by the House our procedure would not allow us to follow 
through after the committee had considered the subject- 
matter of the recommendation. That was a useful argu- 
ment, but before accepting it the Chair must also de- 
termine whether or not the motion is acceptable on the 
basis of precedent. I was not able to find any precedents 
in respect of this type of a motion. That in itself may 
not be sufficient reason to rule it out of order. 

There are precedents which would suggest that the 
subject-matter of a bill or an amendment providing thut 
the subject-matter be referred to a standing or select 
committee or an ost.itilished entity, (.'ommis.sion or ;u;ciicy, 
would be acceptable, but there seems to be no pr<'C('(l(>nl 
pioviding for a rcfcMral at tliis stage of the proceadings 
to the Committee of the Whole House. For those reasons 
I regret that I cannot accept this motion on piocodural 
grounds. 



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Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. MacEachen 
for Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carle- 
ton), — That Bill C-193, An Act to amend the Northern 
Canada Power Commission Act, be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development. 

And debate continuing; 

The honourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) 
having requested the unanimous consent of the House 
to propose an amendment as follows: 

That all the words after "That" be left out and the 
following inserted: 

"this Bill be not now read a second time but that 
the subject-matter thereof be referred to a task force 
appointed under the Inquiries Act." 

And debate arising on a point of order in relation 
thereto; 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. McCleave for Mr. Macquarrie on the Standing 
Committee on Procedure and Organization. 



Mr. Thomson (Battleford-Kindersley) for Mrs. Mac- 
Innis on the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare 
and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Guay (St. Boniface) for Mr. Douglas (Assiniboia) 
on the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited ivith 
the Clerk of the HoiLse 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant to 
Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 
28, 1970, for copies of all correspondence between the 
Government of Canada and the native people of Banks 
Island in the Northwest Territories regarding oil explo- 
ration. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 45).— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/45. 



At 6.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the 
Fourth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, January 
12, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill S-4, An Act 
to implement an agreement amending the Trade Agree- 
ment between Canada and New Zealand, and has agreed 
to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence re- 
lating to this Bill (Issues Nos. 11 and 12) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 18 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Mar- 
chand (Langelier), by leave of the Hcju.sc, introduced 
Bill C-218, An Act to amend the provisions of the 
Criminal Code relating to the release from custody of 
accused persons before trial or pending appeal, which was 
read the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for resuming debate on the motion 
of Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carle- 
ton),— That Bill C-193, An Act to amend the Northern 
Canada Power Commission Act, be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Indian 
Affairs and Noi'thern Development. 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: As the honourable Member for 
Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) suspects, the Chair would 
like to make a decision on the proposed amendment 
offered yesterday by the honourable Member for Yukon 
(Mr. Nielsen). 

Honourable Members will recall that during the course 
of the debate on second reading of Bill C-li)3 yesterday, 
the honourable Member for Yukon propo.sed an amend- 
ment which the Chair ruled to bo not acccplable from a 
procedural point. Tho rea.sons for the decision were given 
at that time. The honourable Member for Yukon then 
Koiight, and wa.s granted, unanlmouH conw-nt of the Houso 
to move anothi-r amendment. It /night (jc JiclpCiil to hon- 
ourable Members if 1 briefly refer to the miiin motion 
and the amendment. Mr. MacEnchen (for the MliiJMfer of 
Indian Affairs and Northern Development) moved: "That 
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Commission Act, be read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and North- 
ern Development." 

The honourable Member for Yukon moved the follow- 
ing amendment: "That all the words after "That" be 
left out and the following inserted: 

"this bill be not now read a second time but that 

the subject-matter thereof be referred to a task force 

appointed under the Inquiries Act." 

Honourable Members will notice that the amendment 
proposed by the honourable Member for Yukon is in 
the same terms as the amendment moved on January 
13 by the honourable Member for Calgary North (Mr. 
WooUiams). At that time the Chair expressed reserva- 
tions about the procedural acceptability of the amend- 
ment. It was accepted only by the unanimous agreement 
of the House. 

When the honourable Member for Yukon proposed the 
amendment yesterday, the Chair expressed the same res- 
ervations and stated that the amendment would not be 
acceptable without further considerations, unless the 
House unanimously agreed that it should be accepted. 
There was no agreement. The Chair then heard repre- 
sentations from honourable Members on the question of 
the acceptability on the amendment, given the fact that 
there was no agreement. 

The Chair reserved the decision. I have now had an 
opportunity to further consider the authorities and to 
read and consider the very helpful contributions made 
yesterday by those honourable Members who assisted 
the Chair on the procedural point. 

I have come to the conclusion, regretfully, that the 
amendment cannot be accepted. I will not repeat what I 
said yesterday afternoon on the point that the amend- 
ment proposes a reference to a body which is not now in 
existence. As mentioned yesterday, there are precedents 
and authorities which, in proper circumstances, would 
permit the Chair, to accept such a motion when the pro- 
posed reference was to an existing entity constituted or 
empowered to accept the kind of undertaking or study 
that would be required should the amendment carry. 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre 
(Mr. Knowles), in his assistance on the procedural point, 
referred to citation 386(2) of Beauchesne's fourth edition 
as authority for accepting the amendment proposed by 
the honourable Member tor Yukon. The citation reads: 
"An amendment urging the setting up of a select com- 



mittee to consider the subject-matter of a Bill, might 
be moved and carried, if the House were adverse to 
giving the Bill itself a second reading and so conceding 
the principle." 

With the greatest respect to the honourable Member, it 
seems there is a distinction which I should try to draw. 
As honourable Members know, there is a well established 
form of amendment on second reading, namely along 
the lines that this bill be not now read a second time, 
but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to such 
and such a standing committee. This procedure must 
be preserved, not for the sake of form alone, but because 
the law and practice of Canada and this House has 
recognized effective methods of dealing with legislation. 

When legislation is referred to a body which is out- 
side the legislative process, such as is provided in the 
proposed amendment, we are endeavouring to add a 
new arm to the legislative machinery. In so doing, the 
amendment fails to meet the requirement to what is 
generally referred to as a reasoned amendment, as de- 
fined in citation 382 of Beauchesne's fourth edition. 

In my view, the honourable Member's proposed amend- 
ment is a substantive proposition and not acceptable as 
an amendment. Having said this with reference to cita- 
tion 386(2), I want to add that I think that it is a very 
helpful authority. I am sure honourable Members are 
ingenious enough in their drafting skills to draft an 
amendment in circumstances such as these, based on the 
authority of that citation, which would be acceptable to 
the Chair. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Chretien, seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), — 
That Bill C-193, An Act to amend the Northern Canada 
Power Commission Act, be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs 
and Northern Development. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved in amend- 
ment thereto, — That all the words after "That", be de- 
leted and the followinK subHtilutcd tiiorefoi': 

"this Bill be not now icud a st'iond tlmi- but tlic .sub- 
ject-matter thereof be referred to the SlanilinK Com- 
mittee on Indian Afl'airs and Northern Development." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said 
amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 



Alexander, 

Baldwin, 

Bell, 

Bigg, 

Cadieu, 

Coates, 

Comeau, 



Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Fairweather, 

Forrestall, 

Fortin, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Gauthier, 

Godin, 

Hales, 

Howe, 

Korchinski, 

Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 



Laprise, 

Latulippe, 

Lundrigan, 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

MacLean, 



Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McCleave, 

Mcintosh, 

Marshall, 

Mazankowski, 

Nesbitt, 



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Nielsen, 
Peddle, 
Ricard, 



Allmand, 

Andras, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Benjamin, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Boulanger, 

Brown, 

Buchanan, 

Burton, 

Caccia, 

Caiik, 

Clermont, 

Corbin, 

Cyr, 

Deachman, 

De Bane, 

Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 



Ritchie, 

Rodrigue, 

Rondeau, 



Douglas (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Drury, 

Dupras, 

Duquet, 

tlmard, 

Faulkner, 

Forest, 

Forget, 

Francis, 

Gibson, 

Gilbert, 

Gleave, 

Goyer, 

Gray, 

Greene, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 

Guilbault, 

Harding, 

Harries, 

Hogarth, 

Howard (Skeena), 



Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Schumacher, 

Nays 

Messrs. 

Isabelle, 

Jamieson, 

Jerome, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
Lachance, 
Laing 

(Vancouver South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 

Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lewis, 
Loiselle, 
Mackasey, 
Mcllraith, 
Mahoney, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 



Scott, 

Simpson, 

Southam, 



Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Mather, 

Morison, 

Murphy, 

Noel, 

Nystrom, 

Olson, 

Orange, 

Orlikow, 

Otto, 

Ouellet, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Prud'homme, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 

Rowland, 



Stewart 

(Marquette) — 45. 



Serre, 

Sharp, 

Skoberg, 

Smerchanski, 

Stanbury, 

St. Pierre, 

Sulatycky, 

Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 
Rosemont), 

Thomson 
(Battleford- 
Kindersley), 

Trudel, 

Turner 

(London East), 

Turner (Ottawa- 
Carleton), 

Walker, 

Watson, 

Whelan— 98. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(^4)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Items numbered 24, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 
129, 130, 5, and 10 were allowed to stand at the request 
of the government. 



Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That an Order of the House do 
issue for copies of the nearly forty submissions pre- 
sented to the Economic Council of Canada for its review 
of Canada's competition policy, as referred to in the 
Council's report of July 1969 at page 4. — (Notice o/ 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 21). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Chretien, 
seconded by Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), — That Bill 
C-193, An Act to amend the Northern Canada Power 
Commission Act, be now read a second time and refeiTcd 
to the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and North- 
ern Development. 



And debate continuing; 

Mr. Nesbitt, seconded by Mr. MacLean, moved in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be 
deleted and the following inserted therefor: 

"this Bill be read upon a day six months hereafter." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said proposed amendment, it was negatived, on division. 

And the question being put on the main motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, ll>e .siiid bill wu.s road IIh' .scoond thm> 
and rol'c'iivd to llic SLandhiK Coniniittcc on Indliui 
Affairs and Northern Development. 



The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill C-215, An Act to establish 
the Textile and Clothing Board and to make certain 
amendments to other Acts in consequence thereof; 

Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. Andras, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



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(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Barnett for Mr. Harding on the Special Commit- 
tee on Environmental Pollution. 

Mr. Rock for Mr. Roy (Timmins) on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Paproski for Mr. MacEwan on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

Mr. Ouellet for Mr. Legault on the Standing Commit- 
tee on External Affairs and National Defence. 

Messrs. Howard (Okanagan Boundary) and Roy (Tim- 
mins) for Messrs. Ouellet and Rock on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Bell for Mr. MacEwan on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Summary of Orders in Council passed during 
the month of November, 1970. (English and French). — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/361. 

By Mr. Trudeau, — Summary of Orders in Council 
passed during the month of December, 1970. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/362. 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Composite Statement showing current operat- 
ing Earnings and Expenses of the Chartered Banks of 
Canada for the financial year ended October 31, 1970, 
pursuant to section 119(1) of the Bank Act, chapter 87, 
Statutes of Canada, 1966-67. (English and French).— 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/67. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House dated 
January 13, 1971, for a copy of all correspondence and 
other documents concerning the tender and contract for 
mail service on R.R.I, Southey, Saskatchewan, and 
other correspondence and documents concerning the 
operation of said mail service since its inception. — (No- 
tice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 172) — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-3/172. 



At 10.18 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Pepin, 
seconded by Mr. Andras, — That Bill C-215, An Act to 
establish the Textile and Clothing Board and to make 
certain amendments to other Acts in consequence thereof, 
be now read a second time and referred to the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 4.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered one to six were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on National Re- 



sources and Public Works of Bill C-25, An Act respect- 
ing Canadian National Pollution Awareness Week; 

Mr. Goode, seconded by Mr. Guay (St. Boniface), 
moved,— That the said bill be now read a second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on National 
Resources and Public Works. 



At 5.13 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Gray, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-219, An Act to establish the 
Canada Development Corporation, which wras read the 
first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The text of the message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure to establish the 
Canada Development Corporation, to provide for the 
objects and powers of the Corporation, its capitalization, 
its Board of Directors and the transfer, redemption and 
purchase of its shares; to provide that the Corporation 
shall under specified circumstances invest in the shares 
or securities of corporations; to provide also for federal 
government participation in the Corporation, to authorize 
the purchase by the Government of Canada of shares of 
the Corporation not in excess of 250 million dollars, to 
authorize the Minister of Finance to advance money by 
way of loans to the Corporation in an amount not in 
excess of 100 million dollars and to authorize the sale 
to the Corporation of the capital stock, in whole or in 
part, of certain enumer^ited corporations that are owned 
by the Government of Canada and the acceptance by 



the Government of Canada of cash, shares or securities 
of the Corporation therefor; and to provide further for 
other matters related to the administration of the 
Corporation. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following six 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 208— Mr. Gilbert 

1 . What were the terms of the contract between CMHC, 
Ontario Housing Corporation and the developer or devel- 
opers regarding the federal provincial land partnership 
for the Thistledown project? 

2. What are the names of the developers to the said 
contract? 

3 . Was the consent of the Etobicoke Borough Council 
a term of the contract with regard to the sale of the 
lands? 

4. Who is the present owner of the 10 acre tract of 
land at the northeast corner of John Garland Blvd. and 
Martingrove Road in the Borough of Etobicoke, Ontario? 

5 . Who was the former owner of the above land? 

6. Has the above land been sold to J.D.S. Developments 
Limited and Pinetree Developments Limited, or either of 



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them, or to any other purchaser and what was the date 
of sale and what were the terms of the sale and the con- 
sideration paid? 

7. Were there any conditions in the agreement of pur- 
chase and sale requiring consent of the Borough of Etobi- 
cokc, and if so, what were those conditions? 

8. Were the said lands originally projected by CMHC 
to be used for vital community and social purposes? 

9. Has CMHC made any recent studies with regard to 
the use of the lands for social and community services? 

10. Has the Minister or CMHC received a request from 
Etobicoke Borough Council for a meeting of all interested 
parties to attempt to secure agreement on the best use 
of the said land? 

11. Does CMHC still retain title to the said property, 
and have they the power to cancel the agreement of sale 
between them and any other contracting parties? — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-2/208. 

No. 325 — Mr. Paproski 

1. Were tenders called for contract OC-03140 — Addi- 
tions & Alterations to Building "E", and site services. 
Phase 2, The Language Centre, Carson's Rd. and, if so 

(a) what was the number of bids received (b) what 
was the highest and what was the lowest (c) what bid 
was accepted (d) how was the notice of tender pub- 
licized? 

2. If no tenders were submitted, for what reason? 

3. Who was awarded the contract? 

4. If the Department of Public Works executed the 
contract (a) what was the cost of (i) architectural super- 
vision (ii) engineering supervision (iii) excavation (iv) 
foundation (v) super structure roofing contractor and 
concrete suppUer (vi) masonry construction (vii) in- 
terior divisions plastering and interior finish partition 
(viii) heating and air conditioning (ix) electrical wir- 
ing (x) plumbing and heating (b) by whom was same 
done? 

5. Who was the bonding company for sub-contracts? 

6. Witii whom was the insurance placed for sub- 
trades? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/325. 

No. 506 — Mr. Alexander 

1 . Who are the members of the Public Health En- 
gineering Advisory Committee responsible to the Minis- 
ter of National Health and Welfare? 

2. What are the terms of reference of this Committee? 

3. (a) On what date was the Committee established 

(b) on what date was its first meeting (c) how fre- 
quently has it met to date? 

4. Have there been any interim reports on the work 
of this Committee? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/506. 



No. 606 — Mr. Korchinski 

1. In each of the past ten years, what were the total 
farm cash receipts for wheat, oats, barley, rye, flax and 
rapeseed in the Wheat Board area? 



2. In the same period of time, what amount of money 
was paid under the Temporary Wheat Reserves Act? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/606. 



No. 622— Mr. Alexander 

1. (a) How many different projects received financial 
assistance from the $200 million fund allocated to 
CMHC in 1970 for the purpose of encouraging innova- 
tive approaches in the construction of low-cost housing 
(b) where were they located? 

2 . Which construction companies were involved in 
these projects? 

3. (a) In which cases does CMHC expect to make a 
profit from the operations of projects for which it has 
provided, through the renting of commercial space or 
other means (b) what use will be made by CMHC of 
these funds? 

4. How will tenants be chosen for these projects in 
which CMHC has an interest? 

5. What innovations were submitted and accepted? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/622. 

No. 655 — Mr. Fortin 

By province, during the years 1968, 1969, 1970, were 
seizures made by CMHC and, if so, how many were 
(a) as mortgage foreclosures (b) as lapse of sale? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/655. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Pepin, 
seconded by Mr. Andras, — That Bill C-215. An Act to 
establish the Textile and Clothing Board and to make 
certain amendments to other Acts in consequence thereof, 
be now read a second time and referred to the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put • on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Olson, 
seconded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), — That Bill 
C-185, An Act to amend the Crop Insurance Act, be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Agriculture. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture. 



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[Private Mevibers' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, item numbered nine was al- 
lowed to stand and retain its position. 



Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Thomas (Moncton), moved, 
— That, in the opinion of this House, the government 
should consider the advisability of introducing legisla- 
tion to provide that where, due to error or negligence 
of a public servant, a member of the public becomes 
indebted to the government — as by overpayment of a 
pension or allowance — then the government should, by 
insurance scheme or otherwise, assume a portion of the 
liability for repayment of the public funds paid out 
without authority by government error or negligence 
rather than exact, as now, full repayment from the 
recipient by arbitrary process of law or government 
decree. — (Notice of Motion No. 12). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Turner 
(Ottawa-Carleton), it was ordered, — That the Annual 
Report, for the year ended 31st December, 1968, made 
pursuant to section 30 of the Penitentiary Act, contained 
in the Third Annual Report of the Department of the 
Solicitor General, tabled in the House of Commons on 
November 3, 1969, be referred to the Standing Committee 
on Justice and Legal Affairs; and 

That during its study of the aforementioned Report, the 
Committee be empowered to adjourn from place to place 
in Canada. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

By unanimous consent at 9.56 o'clock p.m., the question 
"That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have 
been proposed pursuant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 



The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs of Bill C-182, An Act to provide for the exami- 
nation, publication and scrutiny of regulations and other 
statutory instruments; 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second 
time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Flemming for Mr. Woolliams on the Standing 
Conunittee on Public Accounts. 

Mrs. Maclnnis for Mr. Benjamin on the Standing 
Committee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Messrs. Brewin and Gilbert for Mr. Benjamin and Mrs. 
Maclnnis on the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 

Mr. Benjamin for Mr. Bamett on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Transport and Communications. 



Bill S-7, An Act to repeal the Leprosy Act, as reported 
without amendment from the Standing Committee on 
Health, Welfare and Social Affairs, was concurred in at 
the report stage, read the third time and passed. 



At 10.20 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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PRAYERS 



Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the 
Fifth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Friday, Decem- 
ber 18, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-191, 
An Act to amend the Farm Improvement Loans Act, 
the Small Businesses Loans Act and the Fisheries Im- 
provement Loans Act, and has agreed to report it with- 
out amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issues Nos. 12 and 13) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 19 
to the Journals). 



Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copy of memorandum signed by 
the Assistant Director General of the Public Service 
Commission of Canada, with respect to special recruit- 
ment of Francophones for the Public Service. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-7/16. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to a Committee of the Whole of Bill C-207, 
An Act respecting the organization of the Government 
of Canada and matters related or incidental thereto; 

Mr. Drury for Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Eachen, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second 
time and referred to a Committee of the Whole. 

And a point of order having been raised as to the 
inclusion in the bill of several distinct proposals or 
principles; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The point raised by the honourable 
member for Halifax-East Hants (Mr. McCleave) is one 
of very great importance. I think I may say that when 
this bill was introduced in the House and given first 
reading I raised my eyebrows and wondered whether 
the established procedure was being followed. Because 
of that I have been thinking about the situation, and 
even before the point was raised by the honourable 
Member for Halifax-East Hants I gave the matter serious 
thought wondering whether we were proceeding in the 
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There is no doubt in my mind that there is substance 
in the point raised by the honourable Member. I am 
also quite impressed by the argument advanced by other 
honourable Members in support of his objection. I think 
that in a way he has a legitimate grievance or complaint. 
My question is, of course, whether he can advance a 
legitimate procedural argument, and this is where I 
find some difficulty. As the House knows, the Chair has 
to be guided to a considerable extent by precedents estab- 
lished over a number of years. 

During the hour or so that this debate has been going 
on, the learned gentlemen at the Table have obtained 
for me, at my request, certain precedents showing that 
similar points have been raised in the past. This is not 
the first time we have before us a measure of the kind 
which have been called omnibus bills. On many oc- 
casions objections have been raised very strongly by 
honourable Members — I would not like to go into all 
the details but briefly, if honourable Members will allow 
me, on April 2, 1953 the House had before it amendment 
to the National Defence Act. Mr. Brown of St. John's 
West raised the point: "I have no doubt the Minister 
can explain why this resolution covers two or three acts. 
Is it customary to do that?" 

As Members will see, the point was being raised in 
1953, and I am sure it was raised even before that. 
The Minister of National Defence at that time, Mr. 
Brooke Claxton, claimed that this was what had been 
done in the past, and, as was done today, suggested that 
this had long been the practice of the House. 

Anyway, nothing was done, and the bill was presented 
to the House unchanged. It was voted upon in its origi- 
nal form. 

The question was brought up again; the same bill was 
subjected to the same objection. The objection of the 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. 
Knowles) was reported at length in Hansard on 
December 10, 1953, at page 797. His words are preserved 
there for posterity and perhaps I should repeat them for 
the benefit of double posterity, if that exists. "This pro- 
cedure places the Members of the House in the situation 
of being faced with a resolution which deals with eight 
different matters. Naturally there are eight different 
principles involved under ordinary circumstances. As 
far as I can see from casual examination, most of these 
things are matters which perhaps everyone in the com- 
mittee would agree with. When we hear more about 
them, that may not be so. In any event, it might very 
well be that amongst those eight amendments is one 
with which we would disagree violently and therefore 
feel called upon to vote against the resolution or partic- 
ularly, after we have the bUl and have the information, 
to vote against the bill because of that one matter." 

This is the argument which was advanced in 1953 by 
the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre. 
The argument was well put, as it was well put today 
by the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre 
and others. I said that I would not want to go into the 
details of the few precedents I have before me of more 



recent vintage. However, reference was made to the 
Veterans Benefit Act of 1954, and again the same argu- 
ment was made by the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North Centre. Then jumping a decade or so we go to 
1964, when the late, respected and beloved then Mem- 
ber for Digby-Annapolis-Kings, the Honourable George 
C. Nowlan, raised the same point. He said, as reported 
at page 9086 of Hansard for October 15 of that year: 
"As the Minister has told us, we are dealing here with 
the Canadian and British Insurance Companies Act, the 
Foreign Insurance Companies Act, the Trust Companies 
Act and the Loan Companies Act. Quite a melange." 

Perhaps honourable Members might have wanted to 
say the same thing about the bill now before the House. 
There is no question, without going further into the 
details, that this is a long established practice. We have 
had this type of omnibus bill before the House on many 
occasions. The President of the Privy Council and the 
Minister of Agriculture have quite rightly argued their 
case that this is long established practice and that the 
government has followed past practice. That is their 
argument and it has to be respected. Certainly the Chair 
must take that into account because of the importance 
of the precedent in our system. 

However, where do we stop? Where is the point of no 
return? The honourable Member for Winnipeg North 
Centre, and I believe the honourable Member for Ed- 
monton West, said that we might reach the point where 
we would have only one biU, a bill at the start of the 
session for the improvement of the quality of life in 
Canada which would include every single proposed piece 
of legislation for the session. That would be an omnibus 
bill with a capital "O" and a capital "B". But would it 
be acceptable legislation? There must be a point where 
we go beyond what is acceptable from a strictly parlia- 
mentary standpoint. 

At the same time, having now reached second reading 
and having had this bill before us for some time, I 
doubt whether we should take the very drastic and 
extreme position, as I suggest to honourable Members it 
would be, of saying that this bill is not acceptable to 
the House, that it should not be put by the government 
and that it should not be considered by honourable 
Members. In my view it should be the responsibility 
of the Chair, when such bill is introduced and given 
first reading, to take the initiative and raise the matter 
for the consideration of the House by way of a point 
of order, as I have taken the liberty of doing with a 
number of Private Members' Bills. When those bills 
came before the House for first reading I entered a caveat 
about them and gave honourable Members an oppor- 
tunity of expressing their views. At any rate some of 
these bills were refused by the Chair. 

At the same point it is much easier for the govern- 
ment to go back to the legislative mill to where bills 
are prepared, to the judicial luminaries of the Depart- 
ment of Justice for the consideration of Parliament. If 
I may say so, I think that even those very learned 
gentlemen should take into account that this is an 



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aspect of a matter that is of interest to all honourable 
Members, of interest I am sure to the government, and 
certainly of interest to the Chair, namely that there 
must be a point where an omnibus bill becomes more 
than an omnibus bill and is not acceptable from a 
procedural standpoint. 

One or two honourable Members have argued that 
there would not be an opportunity for members to 
express their views by way of a vote on individual parts 
of the bill or individual clauses. That is perhaps not 
entirely correct. I am not here referring to the Commit- 
tee of the Whole; I have made this distinction before 
now. For honourable Members to express their view 
in Committee of the Whole on a particular clause of the 
bill is not the same as being given an opportunity to 
express their views on a clause of the bill by way of 
a recorded vote. 

The House must note that there is a third reading 
stage of a bill. When a bill comes to the House at the 
third reading stage there is not one clause or one part 
of the bill that cannot be brought into question by way 
of an amendment proposing that the particular clause 
or section be referred back to committee. I think this 
gives every honourable Member an opportunity to vote 
either for or against, or to express his views in the 
House citlier for or against, a particular clause or part 
of the bill, and to do so by way of a recorded vote. 
Accordingly there is stiU a measure of protection afforded 
honourable Members. 

Having said this, I would have to rule — if I must rule 
— that the government has followed the practice that 
has been accepted in the past, rightly or wrongly, but 
that we may have reached the point where we are going 
too far and that omnibus bills seek to take in too much. 
All honourable Members should be alerted to this diffi- 
culty of which the Chair is fully conscious. 

When another omnibus bill is proposed to the House, 
it should be scrutinized at first reading stage, when hon- 
ourable Members will be given the opportunity of 
expressing their view and the Chair can express its view 
either that the bill goes too far or that it is acceptable 
from a procedural standpoint. 

I think that this discussion has been a valuable one, 
certainly as far as the Chair is concerned, and I thank 
honourable Members for the views that they have ex- 
pressed. Certainly I am very impressed by them and 
propose to take them into account when the circum- 
stances warrant an examination of the point of order 
in the future. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Order numbered one was allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs of Bill C-16, An Act to amend the Criminal 
Code (Abolition of Corporal Punishment); 

Mr. MacDonald (Egmont), seconded by Mr. Thomas 
(Moncton), moved, — That the said bill be now read a 
second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Justice and Legal Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Drury for 
Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That BiU 
C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the Govern- 
ment of Canada and matters related or incidental thereto, 
be now read a second time and referred to a Committee 
of the Whole, 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. McCleave, seconded by Mr. Ricard, proposed to 
move in amendment thereto, — That all the words after 
"That" be left out and the following substituted therefor: 
"Bill C-207 be not now read a second time but the 
subject-matter of PART I and Schedule A to the Bill 
be referred to the Special Committee on Environmental 
Pollution, the subject-matter of the long title to the 
Bill, clause 1 and PARTS II and III be referred to 
the Standing Committee on National Resources and 
Public Works, the subject-matter of PARTS IV, V and 
VIII be referred to a committee of the Whole, the 
subject-matter of PART VII be referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, and the 
subject-matters of PART IX and Schedule B to the 
Bill be referred to each said committee for considera- 
tion of so much of the said subject-matters as relates 
and is necessarily incidental to or consequential upon 
that subject-matter hereinbefore first referred to that 
committee." 



And debate arising on the motion of Mr. Drury for 
Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill 
C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, be now read a second time and referred to a 
Committee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 



RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I thank the honourable Member for 
Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) for his contribu- 
tion. Of course the time he took to express his views 
regarding the procedural point raised by the honourable 
Member for Halifax-East Hants (Mr. McCleave) has 
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and has convinced me further that the amendment is 
not procedurally in order. I am not suggesting this is an 
indirect way to divide the bill. I am not suggesting the 
amendment should be rejected on that basis. At the 
same time I am not accepting the suggestion of the 
honourable Member that this should be accepted as a 
reasoned amendment. It is not a reasoned amendment. 
It is largely a deviation or a change from the old estab- 
lished form of amendment which provides that the sub- 
ject-matter of a bill or a motion before the House be 
referred to a special committee or a standing committee. 
What I believe is objectionable from a procedural stand- 
point in connection with this proposed amendment is 
that it goes into the details of the bill. I suggest that 
this cannot be done in the form of an amendment to 
refer the bill before the House — the second reading of 
this bill — to different entities or different bodies. 

There is more to the matter than determining the body 
to which the subject-matter is to be referred. I fully 
agree with the suggestion made by honourable Members 
that the committees to which it is proposed to refer the 
several parts of the bill do exist, but as I have said there 
is more to the point than that. My difficulty in accepting 
the honourable Member's proposed motion is that it 
goes behind the bill and seeks to touch the different parts 
of the bill by way of an amendment which should nor- 
mally not be used in this form. Perhaps the honourable 
Member in the coxirse of this long debate, because I as- 
sume it will not finish tonight or tomorrow, and that we 
will be looking at it for some time, may have an oppor- 
tunity with the assistance of one of his colleagues to 
propose an amendment which would be more proce- 
durally acceptable to the Chair. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Drury for 
Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill 
C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the Govern- 
ment of Canada and matters related or incidental there- 
to, be now read a second time and referred to a Com- 
mitte of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Macquarrie for Mr. Carter on the Standing Com- 
mittee on External Affairs and National Defence. 

Messrs. Saltsman and Guay (St. Boniface) for Messrs. 
Gleave and Cafik on the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Barnett for Mr. Thomson (Battleford-Kindersley) 
on the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and 
Social Affairs. 

Mr. Cafik for Mr. Guay (St. Boniface) on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated May 
20, 1970, for a copy of the consultant report by Branman 
Associates Limited on the design, development, adminis- 
tration, evaluation and report on test instruments ad- 
ministered to students of E. D. Feehan High School who 
are involved in the Indian history and culture course, 
undertaken for the Department of Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development as mentioned in answer to Ques- 
tion Number 584 at page 22 of the Return. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 418) — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-3/418. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated January 20, 1971, for a copy of the consultant 
report by D. W. Carr and Associates of Ottawa, prepared 
for the St. Lawrence Seaway Authority regarding the 
future role of the Seaway in Canada's rural transporta- 
tion. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 44) — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/44. 

By Mr. MacEachen,— Return to an Order of the House, 
dated January 20, 1971, for a copy of the Carr Study or 
Report regarding the St. Lawrence Seaway. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 167) — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-3/167. 



At 10.14 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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PRAYERS 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 63 — Mr. Broadbent 

For the fiscal year 1969-70, what were the estimated 
federal government expenditures for (a) the Department 
of Industry, Trade and Commerce Industrial Research 
and Development Incentive Act Program (b) Defence 
Research Board Defence Industrial Research Program 
(c) the National Research Council Industrial Research 
Program (d) the Department of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce Program for the Advancement of Industrial 
Technology (e) the Department of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce Defence Development Sharing Program and 
Defence Capital Export Modernization Program? — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-2/63. 

No. 170 — Mr. Harding 

1 . What was the total capital investment in the oil 
and gas industry in Canada, by province or other areas, 
for the years 1963 to 1970 inclusive? 

2. What percentage of our total Canadian oil indus- 
try is (a) foreign-controlled (b) Canadian-controlled, 
as of the latest available date? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/170. 



No. 561 — Mr. Forrestall 

1 . How much space is there in the main building at 
the Halifax International Airport? 

2. How much space is used by the Department of 
Transport? 

3. How much space is used by Air Canada? 

4. How much space is used by other departments or 
agencies of government? 

5. What other space is being used and by what 
interests? 

6. Under each rental arrangement, what is the an- 
nual, or otherwise, rental in dollars? 

7. What, with respect to Part 6 is the square area 
annually or otherwise? 

8. How many people are employed by government 
departments or agencies at the Halifax International 
Airport? 

9. What rental revenues are derived from the opera- 
tion of the public parking lot? 

10. What other revenues are derived from the overall 
operation of the Airport with respect to rentals? 

11. What has been the total income from landing 
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12. What has been the income from the airport tax 
on aviation fuel sales? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/561. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
17, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
correspondence, memoranda, etc., between the Prices and 
Incomes Commission and the Government of Canada in 
which the Commission suggested guidelines for restraint 
that the federal government might follow referred to by 
the Prime Minister as reported in Hansard of November 
25, 1969 at page 1201, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
18, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
export permits granted for copper exports for the period 
January 1, 1969 to September 30, 1969, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
29, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
evidence collected by the Department of Consumer and 
Corporate Affairs showing that some of the international 
drug firms are trying to dry up the sources of supply in 
European countries, as stated by the Minister of Con- 
sumer and Corporate Affairs in an address to the Inter- 
national Organization of Consumer Unions on June 29, 
1970, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Coimcil (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
65, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study undertaken in the Departpient of Regional Econom- 
ic Expansion regarding the effects of increase in freight 
rates on regional economic expansion as mentioned by 
the Minister of Regional Economic Expansion and re- 
ported in Hansard of March 18, 1970 at page 5184, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all correspondence, briefs, telegrams and other docu- 
ments between Les Entreprises d'Abitibi Limitee and the 
Department of Public Works pertaining to the building 
or repair of wharfs, launching ramps, federal buildings 
in the constituency of Abitibi during 1969-1970. — (Notice 
oj Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99 — Mr. 
Laprise) . 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No, 
135, as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
all reports and studies related to the chemical industry 
as reported in the Annual Report of the Department of 
Industry, Trade and Commerce, April 1, 1967-March 31, 
1968, on page 51, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Broadview (Mr. Gilbert), transferred by the 
Clerk to the Order of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" 
pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Drury 
for Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That 
Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, be now read a second time and referred to a 
Cormnittee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of a list of all Canadian firms exporting products to the 
United States, under the Canada-U.S. Defence Production 
Sharing Agreement from its inception in 1959 to Novem- 
ber 30, 1969, listing the specific materials, components, 
etc., exported and the dollar aggregates involved. — 
(Notice of Motion jor the Production oj Papers No. 54 — 
Mr. Broadbent). 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Lambert (Edmonton West) and Coates for 
Messrs. Bell and Schumacher on the Standing Committee 
on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the 20(2) of the National Film Act, chapter 185, R.S.C., 

Clerk of the HoiLse 1952, including the Report of the Auditor General on 

the Accounts of the Board. (English and French). — Ses- 
The following paper having been deposited with the sional Paper No. 283-1/189. 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Pelletier, a Member of the Queen's Privy At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 

Council, — Report of the National Film Board for the until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to section Order 2(1). 



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PRAYERS 

One petition for a Private Bill was presented in 
accordance with Stzinding Order 67(1). 



Mr. Clermont, from the Stsinding Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the 
Sixth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Wednesday, 
December 16, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill 
S-2, An Act respecting statistics of Canada, and has 
agreed to report it with the following amendments: 

Strike out lines 41, 42, and 43 on page 3 thereof and 
substitute the following therefor: 

"lowing oath or aflftrmation: 

I , 

do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully"; 
and 

Strike out line 9 on page 4 thereof and substitute 
the following therefor: 

(2) The oath or affirmation set out in subsection (1)" 

21168— l»i 



A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issues Nos. 9, 10 and 13), is tabled. 



( The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 20 to the 
Journals) . 



Mr. Hales, from the Standing Committee on Public 
Accounts, presented the Third Report of the said Com- 
mittee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Thursday, No- 
vember 12, 1970, your Committee has considered the 
Public Accounts for the year ended March 31, 1968 and 
the Auditor General's Report thereon and the Evidence 
adduced in consideration thereof in the previous session. 

On the matter of 1967-68 Travel Claims of the Cana- 
dian Broadcasting Corporation, the Auditor General of 
Canada, as reported in your Committee's First Report 
to the House of the previous session dated February 12, 
1970, was instructed to make a thorough examination of 
the accounts in question and to report to the Committee. 



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His Report was received in Evidence in the current 
session on Tuesday, November 24, 1970 (Issue No. 1). 

Your Committee heard the following persons: 
From the Auditor Gcncrnl's Office: 

Mr. A. M. Henderson, Auditor General; 
Mr. George Long, Assistant Auditor General; 
Mr. Edward Cooke, Audit Director. 

From the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation: 
Mr. George Davidson, President; 
Mr. James P. Gilmore, Vice-President, Planning; 
Mr. Victor F. Davies, Vice-President, Finance. 

Your Committee then formed a Special Subcommittee 
on 1967-C8 C.B.C. Travel Claims, to examine the Auditor 
Generals report in camera with the Auditor General's 
and C.B.C. oflficiaJs. 

The Special Subcommittee's Report, as amended and 
concurred in by the Committee, was received bj' the 
Committee and it follows: 

Pursuant to the direction of the Public Accounts Com- 
mittee, the Subcommittee held meetings on December 
2nd, December 4th and December 9th, 1970, in the course 
of which the following officers were present: 

From the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation: 
Dr. George Davidson, President. 
Mr. James P. Gilmore, Vice-President, Planning. 
Mr. Jacques Pelland, Director of Auditing. 
Mr. Victor Davies, Vice-President, Finance. 

From the Auditor General's Office: 

Mr. A. M. Henderson, Auditor General. 

Mr. E. Cooke, Auditor Director responsible for 

Audit of C.B.C. 

Mr. Ian Buzza, Assistant Auditor Director. 

Committee Members: 

Mr. J. Bud Cullen, M.P., Chairman. 
Mr. Lloyd Grouse, M.P. 
Mr. Barry Mather, M.P. 

The Auditor General reported inter alia the following: 

A. Comments on travel expenses when travelling 
within Canada 

B. Comments on travel expenses when travelling 
outside Canada 

Arising out of the Auditor General's comments in 
paragraph B the Public Accounts Committee authorized 
the study of approximately fifty cases involving about 
35 to 40 personnel. 

We examined the working papers of the Auditor Gen- 
eral which were divided into five categories with these 
titles: 

1 . Air Transportation charges in excess of economy 
rates 

2. Hotel accommodation in excess of $30.00 per day 

3. Meal costs in excess of $12.00 per day 



4. Unusual items noted in travel claims 

5. Inadequate vouchers 

It is important in reading this Report to remember 
our tei'ms of refei-encc namely; we were not to study 
management or policy decisions of the C.B.C. which in 
themselves could involve a questionable outlay, but 
the decisions having been made to send personnel on 
assignment where their travel expenses were "lavish 
and extravagant". We must also draw attention to the 
specific words of the Auditor General, quote, "seemed 
to be lavish and extravagant". 

Our initial examination of the Auditor General's work- 
ing papers confirmed the Auditor General's words that 
some did seem to be lavish and extravagant and a 
small number of the fifty cases were extravagant and 
not satisfactorily explained. 

Your Subcommittee proposes to discuss the travel 
expenses of C.B.C. personnel under the five headmgs 
earlier referred to. 

Ah- Transport charges in excess of economy rates. 

Present regulations call for C.B.C. personnel to use 
economy class unless otherwise authorized. It is clear 
that the regulations must be tempered with reason, be- 
cause much of that which the C.B.C. must cover is 
dictated by circumstances beyond their control, namely, 
the breaking of a story. 

We examined six cases where air transportation was in 
excess of economy rates. We received from Dr. Davidson 
and other employees of C.B.C. quite reasonable explana- 
tions ranging from the fact of heavy traffic and time 
of year when no other space was available to the situa- 
tion where an employee was authorized by management 
to travel first-class because of the length of the trip 
and the necessity of commencing work immediately on 
arrival. 

It is the opinion of the Subcommittee, and this is 
shared by the Auditor General, that vouchers approved 
by senior personnel should show the reasons for travel 
charges in excess of economy rates. 

Hotel accommodation in excess of $30.00 per day. 

Dr. Davidson, before he had received explanations, 
stated that his "eyebrows were raised" when examining 
some of these claims. On the face of it, hotel accom- 
modation figures such as per diem charge of $49.00, 
$65.00, $36.00, $52.00 and $47.00 would be bound to have 
that efl'ect. Careful examination reveals, however, that 
even the $65.00 charge could be justified if one accepted 
some of the following principles: 

1 . When buying film in the Hollywood area hotel 
accommodation must be located in the proximitj' of 
the studios and it must be remembered that C.B.C. is 
competing with three American networks for rights 
to film. 

(While the above circumstances are noted and appre- 
ciated, it seemed to your Subcommittee that the C.B.C. 



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should give consideration to reducing the number of 
its officials involved in this particular assignment 
because of the high costs of travel, accommodation 
and entertainment.) 

2 . The opening of a New York Office and a one- 
shot occasion required, in the opinion of management, 
a suite for this purpose. 

3. The need for hospitality suites during the host- 
ing of a large convention and in the case we examined 
it involved 2,000 delegates to a Radio-TV News Direc- 
tors Association. 

4. C.B.C."s important role at Expo and its position 
as the corporation of the host country. 

5 . The necessity for duty entertainment in appropri- 
ate accommodation. 

Meal Costs in excess oj $12.00 per day. 

The rates in this study run from $15.00 to $28.00 per 
day. It seemed to your Subcommittee that the most 
flagrant abuse in the few cases we examined was an 
item for $21.00 per day for meals only for a period of 
11 daj's. Assignments taking C.B.C. personnel to exotic 
places like Rhodesia, Zambia, Vietnam, will involve 
expenditures for food that are higher than might be 
expected in normal circumstances because of the limited 
time at the location and the area where the correspondent 
finds his assignment. 

Unusual items noted in Travel Claims. 

Here again when one examines the working papers of 
the Auditor General we see items list cost of chauffeur, 
guide, use of vehicle for tour, valet charges, seemingly 
excessive amounts of money for long distance calls, and 
local taxis, gratuities to various individuals defined as 
telephone and switchboard operators and gratuity to 
barmen, we think the Auditor General was justified 
in indicating that there seemed to be unusual items in 
the travel claims. When, however, it was explained to 
your Subcommittee that in the case of chauffeur and 
guide the individual concerned was in Bucharest, Ru- 
mania, producing a documentary film on that particular 
area we can appreciate the necessity for a chauffeur 
and guide and the use of a vehicle in order to cover the 
area. We then, of course, examined the cost factor to see 
if there was anything out of line and also confirmed that 
the claim had been approved bj' senior management 
personnel. Here again in several of the instances the 
cost did not seem unreasonable but the lack of vouchers 
was not explained. 

Inadequate Vouchers. 

The title of this particular working paper could prob- 
ably have added to it "no vouchers". Here again when 
we examined in some detail the expenditures claimed 
or the expenses claimed, it was found that they were not 
unreasonable, but in each instance there should have 
been vouchers to cover these and it is our feeling that 
the individual approving should either show why there 
are no vouchers and that he is in fact satisfied with the 
claim, or he should insist upon a voucher. 



There were also many instances where there was too 
long a delay from the time of the termination of the 
assignment and the date when the claim was verified. 

RECOMMENDATIONS 

Transportation Charges: 

1 . Regulations require C.B.C. personnel to use economy 
class unless otherwise authorized. In any instance where 
charges in excess of economy fare Eu-e claimed the 
reason should be shown on the voucher and the super- 
visor should show on his approval why this approval 
was given. 

2 . Certain C.B.C. personnel have the privilege of 
travelling first-class. It is the Subcommittee's recom- 
mendation that all C.B.C. personnel travel economy class 
except under exceptional circumstances and this should 
be explained in the voucher. 

3. The tightening up of the approval procedures and 
more emphasis on the need to certify the claim within 
the period required under the regulations. Where a claim 
is not certified within the period required under the 
regulations or a reasonable time thereafter, giving the 
effect of the exigencies of the situation, it is the recom- 
mendation of your Subcommittee that a penalty in the 
form of deduction from wages should be applied. 

4. Your Subcommittee is convinced that there should 
be a clearer separation of actual travel from production 
costs than appeared in the returns before us in order 
that a more accurate conclusion can be drawn as to 
what constitutes such expenses. 

Hotel Accommodation in excess of $30.00 per day: 

1 . Where charges seem excessive a full explanation 
should be shown on the vouchers and also on the 
approval. 

2. Benchmark hotel accommodation rates have been 
set in Canada. It is the recommendation of your Sub- 
committee that benchmark hotel accommodation rates 
be established in all centres wherever feasible. 

Excessive Meal Costs: 

1. Where possible per diem rates, including gratuities, 
should be established for all areas not now covered. 

Unusual Items in Travel Claims: 

Because of the uniqueness of items in this particular 
category, full and complete explanations should be pro- 
vided in the vouchers and the approving officer should 
show the reasons for granting approval for these unusual 
items. 

Inadequate Vouchers: 

Full and complete explanation should be given of 
the reason for not submitting vouchers, not submitting 
vouchers on time or, for submitting vouchers that are 
inadequate and this should not show only on the claim 
made in the reasons for the approval made by the super- 
vising officer. 



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CONCLUSIONS 

Your Subcommittee found that it was extremely diffi- 
cult to stay within the terms of reference when examin- 
ing travel expenses. In some instances the travel ex- 
penses were well within the budget and reasonable. The 
dilemma we were faced with however, was the question 
in our mind as to whether the trip was, in fact, necessary 
in the first place; whether it was necessary to send that 
number of personnel and whether on site personnel 
could, and should have been used, rather than sending 
an individual to an 'on the spot' location. We recognize 
that we strayed from the terms of reference in com- 
menting on the numbers of people sent to Hollywood 
on the purchase of films. In this paragraph we are also 
straying somewhat from our terms of reference but it 
seemed to your Subcommittee that where a cameraman 
was in fact on site, let us say in Winnipeg, was it neces- 
sary to send a cameraman from Toronto. 

Notwithstanding the narrow limits of the terms of 
reference it is the considered opinion of your Subcom- 
mittee that this has been a useful enterprise and that 
it should be undertaken in approximately one year's 
time with the Auditor General again examining a group 
of claims to determine if the recommendations of your 
Subcommittee have been followed. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issue No. 6 of the previous session) is re- 
turned and a copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings 
and Evidence (Issues Nos. 1, 2, 3, 6, 7 and 10 of the 
present session) is tabled. 



Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That an Order of the House do 
issue for a copy of the study undertaken by the University 
of British Columbia in the fiscal year 1969-70 funded by 
the Department of National Health and Welfare on 
"Social and Medical Factors of Women Attending Van- 
couver Family Planning Clinic and a Group of Women 
not Attending a Family Planning Clinic in two areas of 
the City of Vancouver". — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 130). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Drury for 
Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill 
C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the Govern- 
ment of Canada and matters related or incidental there- 
to, be now read a second time and referred to a Com- 
mittee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 

Ordered, — That a division on second reading of the said 
bill, if demanded, shall be deferred until the first order of 
government business is called on Monday next. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 21 to the 
Journals.) 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Drury 
for Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That 
Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, be now read a second time and referred to a 
Committee of the Whole. 



And debate continuing; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.05 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Item numbered 24 was allowed to stand and retain its 
position at the request of the government. 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Thomson (Battleford-Kindersley) for Mr. Barnett 
on the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and Social 
Affairs. 



By unanimous consent, items numbered 122 to 129 in- 
clusive standing in the name of the honourable Member 
for Vancouver-Kingsway fMrs. Maclnnis) were with- 
drawn. 



Messrs. Korchinski, Mazankowski, Moore, Stewart 
(Marquette) and Southam for Messrs. McKinley, Grills, 
Alkenbrack, Noble and Murta on the Standing Committee 
on Agriculture. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 



January 27, 1971, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-1 /333A. 



At 10.19 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented tlie 
Seventh Report of the said Committee, which is as 
follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, Janu- 
ary 12, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill C-184, 
An Act to amend the Export Development Act, and has 
agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issue No. 14) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accom- 
panying the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 22 
to the Journals) . 

By unanimous consent, the Order for the second read- 
ing and reference to the Standing Coirmiittee on Labour, 
Manpower and Immigration of Bill C-209, An Act to 
amend the Industrial Relations and Disputes Investiga- 
tion Act, was discharged and the said bill was with- 
drawn. 



Mr. Jerome for Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's 
Privy Council, laid upon the Table, — Report, dated Janu- 
ary 29, 1971, of the Prices and Incomes Commission, 
entitled "Primary Nickel Prices" (Chairman — John H. 
Young, Esq.). (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283—1/375. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Drury 
for Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That 
Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, be now read a second time and referred to a 
Committee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 4.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Memhers' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, items numbered nine, thirteen, 
fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, 



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twenty, twenty-one, twenty-four and twenty-five were 
allowed to stand and retain their position. 



Mr. WooUiams, seconded by Mr. Bigg, moved, — 
That, in the opinion of this House, the government 
should consider the advisability of introducing a measure 
to amend the Income Tax Act to provide that where a 
student, enrolled at an educational institution, is entitled 
to deduct his tuition fees in computing his income for a 
taxation year, he may also deduct expenses paid by him 
for textbooks, laboratory equipment or charges in re- 
spect thereof, student union fees, medical fees, athletic 
board fees and other expenditures necessary for or in- 
cidental to enrolment at the educational institution; and 
similarly, that a taxpayer, whether the spouse or other- 
wise of the student, who pays such tuition fees and 
other such expenses, whether in whole or in part, upon 
behalf of the student, may deduct any amounts so paid 
in computing his income for a taxation year. — (Notice o/ 
Motion No. 26). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, by Command of His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral, — Report of the Department of Consumer and 
Corporate Affairs for the fiscal year ended March 31, 
1970, pursuant to section 9 of the Department of Con- 
sumer and Corporate Affairs Act, chapter 16, Statutes 
of Canada, 1967-68. (English and French). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/7. 



By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Janu- 
ary 27, 1971, for a copy of a list of all Canadian firms 
exporting products to the United States, under the Can- 
ada-U.S. Defence Production Sharing Agreement from 
its inception in 1959 to November 30, 1969, listing the 
specific materials, components, etc., exported and the 
dollar aggregates involved. — (Notice of Motion jor the 
Production oj Papers No. 54). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/54. 



By Mr. Marchand, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of the Department of Regional Eco- 
nomic Expansion for the fiscal year ended March 31, 
1970, pursuant to section 40 of the Government Organ- 
ization Act, chapter 28, Statutes of Canada, 1968-69. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/28. 



Second Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to 
Standing Order 67(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that 
the petition of the following, presented on January 28, 
1971, meets the requirements of Standing Order 67: 

La Societe des Artisans, of the City of Montreal, 
Quebec, praying for the passing of an Act amending its 
Act of Incorporation to change its name to "The Arti- 
sans, Life Insurance Cooperative Society" and, in French, 
"Les Artisans, societe cooperative d'assurance-vie" , to 
rescind its functions as a fraternal mutual-aid society, 
while retaining its representative system of manage- 
ment, and to invest it with the rights and privileges of 
a life insurance company operating on a mutual basis. 
— Mr. Gendron. 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Forrestall, seconded by Mr. Bell, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-220, An Act to amend the 
Criminal Code (Attempted Suicide), which was read 
the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



3. The subject-matter of Arctic icebreaker service; 
and 

That during its consideration thereof the Committee 
be empowered to adjourn from place to place within 
Canada. — The President oj the Privy Council. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called 
was transferred to Government Orders for consideration 
at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 21(2): 

That the following matters be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development; 

1 . The Annual Report of the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development for the year ended 
March 31, 1968 and the evidence adduced by the Com- 
mittee in its consideration thereof during the Twenty- 
eighth Parliament; 

2. The Annual Report of the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development for the year ended 
March 31, 1969; 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 36 — Mr. Orlikow 

1 . How many Writs of Assistance have been issued on 
behalf of each department in each of the past ten years? 

2. How many Writs of Assistance have been used on 
behalf of each department in each of the past ten years? 

3. Are there any regulations or government guidelines 
as to time limits governing the use of Writs of Assist- 
ance? 

4. How many RCMP Officers have Writs of Assistance 
in their possession which can be used at the discretion 
of the Officer?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/36. 



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No. 685 — Mr. Coates 

1 . What is the present total staff of Information 
Canada; are there to be additional hirings and, if so, 
what is the estimated complete staff for Information 
Canada? 

2. (a) How many members of the staff of Informa- 
tion Canada are presently receiving salaries of $10,000 
or more (b) what are their names (c) what is each 
person's position (d) what is the actual salary? — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-2/685. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Drury for 
Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen,— That Bill 
C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the Govern- 
ment of Canada and matters related or incidental there- 
to, be now read a second time and referred to a Com- 
mittee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 



{Proceedi7igs on Adjournment Motion) 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Drury 
for Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That 
Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, be now read a second time and referred to a 
Committee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

{Notices o/ Motions) 

Bj-^ unanimous consent, item numbered nine was 
allowed to stand and retain its position. 



Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Brewin, moved, — That, in tlie opinion of this House, 
the government should give immediate consideration to 
amending the Old Age Security Act to provide for the 
full amount of the income supplement provided there- 
under to be incorporated into the basic pension, for 
the amoimt of the basic pension to be increased to $150 
per month, and for the increase granted each year on 
account of an increase in the cost of living to reflect 
the full extent of that increase, so that all persons 
65 years of age or over who meet the residence require- 
ment will leceive a full pension of $150 per month, plus 
the cost of living increase, without any means or income 
test, the full amount of the Old Age Security pension 
thus being recognized as a matter of right. — (Notice of 
Motion No. 13). 

And debate arising thereon; 



At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Cadieu, Noel and Blouin for Messrs. Gendron, 
Breau and Lefebvre on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 

Mr. Forest for Mr. Roy (Timmins) on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Benjamin for Mr. Thomson (Battleford-Kinders- 
ley) on the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and 
Social Affairs. 

Mr. Cyr for Mr. Clermont on the Standing Committee 
on Regional Development. 

Messrs. Stewart (Cochrane) and Grossman for Messrs. 
Stewart (Okanagan-Kootenay) and McBride on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Portelance for Mr. Noel on the Standing Committee 
on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



At 10.22 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



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Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copy of a document entitled "Com- 
monwealth Declaration" issued following the meeting 
of the Commonwealth Heads' of Government, held at 
Singapore, January, 1971, together with a copy of the 
Final Cormnunique relating to the said meeting. — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-6/13. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said 
documents be printed as an appendix to this day's 
Hansard. 

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Drury 
for Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That 
Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, be now read a second time and referred to a 
Committee of the Whole. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order ISii)] 

{Public Bills) 

By unanimous consent, Order numbered one was al- 
lowed to stand. 



The Order being read for the second reading and refer- 
ence to the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and 
Social Affairs of Bill C-19, An Act for the Protection 
and Humane Treatment of Animals used in Scientific 
Research; 

Mrs. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time and referred to the Standing Committee 
on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was negatived, on division. 



By unanimous consent, at 5.20 o'clock p.m., the sitting 
was suspended until 8.00 o'clock p.m. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Drury for 
Mr. Trudeau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That Bill 
C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the Govern- 
ment of Canada and matters related or incidental there- 
to, be now read a second time and referred to a Com- 
mittee of the Whole. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 



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Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, 
on division, considered in Committee of the Whole and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it ageiin at the next sitting 
of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.04 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House 
do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Roy (Timmins) for Mr. Cafik on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Foster for Mr. Corriveau on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Veterans Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Address, dated December 16, 
1970, to His Excellency the Governor General for a copy 
of all correspondence, telegrams or other documents ex- 
changed between the government or any agency or 
department and any other government or person since 
January 1, 1956 relating to the annexation of Cornwall 
Island or any part of the St. Regis Indian Reserve by 
the City of Cornwall, the Province of Ontario or any 
agency or group established by or under the aegis of 
the Province of Ontario. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 149). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/149. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated December 16, 1970, for a copy of each questionnaire 
circulated during recent months among civilian Cana- 
dians between the ages of 15 and 22, and the question- 
naire circulated among younger members of the Armed 
Forces, and a copy of the questionnaire circulated among 
high school students in Sussex, N.B. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 161). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-3/161. 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Report, dated February 3, 1971, of 
the Prices and Incomes Commission, entitled "News- 
papers" (Chairman — John H. Young, Esq.,). (English 
and French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/376. 



Mr. Allmand, seconded by Mr. Forest, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-221, An Act to amend the Rail- 
way Act (reduction in passenger service), which was 
read the first time and ordered to be printed and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. St. Pierre, seconded by Mr. Roy (Timmins), by 
leave of the House, introduced Bill C-222, An Act re- 
specting supersonic aircraft, which was read the first time 
and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 



No. 143— Mr. Lambert (Edmonton West) 

1 . Were tenders called for the production of the CF-5 
tactical fighter bomber and, if so, on what date? 

2. How many tenders were received, from whom and 
at what price — either on a per unit or total cost basis? 

3. Was the lowest tender accepted and on what date? 

4 How many aircraft were called for by the con- 
tract and what was the breakdown of quantity as to 
model or versions? 

5. What was the tendering price for each model? 

6. (a) What variations in any specifications were made 
calling for price changes (b) for how much (c) for what 
reason were the modifications made? 

7. (a) Did the contractor apply for the extras (b) 
who agreed to these extras (c) on what date? 

8. When was the first aircraft delivered under the 
contract in question and what was the scheduled delivery 
by number and model? 

9. How many aircraft have been delivered under the 
contract by model, and what has been the disposition 
of any such aircraft? 

10. How many aircraft of each model remain to be 
delivered and how will these be used? 



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11. During the course of the contract, did the Depart- 
ment of Supply and Services or the Department of 
National Defence or any other agency of the government 
maintain an internal audit as to the cost at the place of 
manufacturing and, if so (a) what reports were made 

(b) on what dates (c) were there indicated any addi- 
tions to cost? 

12. (a) Of the amount of $71 million appearing on 
page 15.12 of Public Accounts 1969, Volume 11, under the 
heading Aircraft and Engines, what amount was ear- 
marked for the CF-5 contract, to how many aircraft did 
it apply and for what amount (b) what was the name 
of the payee (c) if the said amount has no reference 
to the CF-5 aircraft, what does this item of $71 million 
represent, both as to the kind of aircraft, the number, 
and other pertinent detail? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/143. 

No. 600 — Mr. Nowlan 

1 . What was the number of film bookings made by 
the National Film Board for distribution in each of the 
past twenty j-ears (o) by the Canadian Broadcasting 
Company (b) by other Canadian Television networks 

(c) in commercial movie theatres? 

2 . What was the average number of hours a week 
of National Film Board presentations shown by Cana- 
dian Television networks in each of the past twenty 
years (a) for French language films (b) for English 
language films (c) other than English or French language 
films?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/600. 

No. 652 — Mr. Sulatycky 

1 . By type, how many CMHC loans were made and 
what was the total value of loans of each type made 
during each of the past five years in the Alberta com- 
munities of (a) Edmonton (b) Calgary (c) Red Deer 

(d) Lethbridge (e) BanfT (f) Jasper (g) Blairmore (h) 
Coleman (f) Black Diamond (j) Turner Valley (k) 
Hinton (I) Edson (m) Drayton Valley (n) Vegreville 
(o) Vermilion (p) Fort McMurray (q) Grande Prairie 
(r) Peace River (s) Rocky Mountain House? 

2. In Alberta, what portion of funds has been dis- 
bursed in each of the past five years for housing in 
communities of (a) more than 5,000 inhabitants (b) 
less than 5.000 inhabitants? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/652. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence 
and other documents exchanged between the government 
or any agency, department or branch thereof and the 
Government of the Province of New Brunswick relating 
to medical services for Indian people in the said Prov- 
ince since July 1, 1969. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 1 — Mr. Howard (Skeena) ) . 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 85, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of the 
study on the federal government and the arts under- 
taken in the fiscal year 1966-67 for the Secretary of 
State as mentioned in answer to Question Number 1,323 
of the 1st Session of this Parliament, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 147, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
correspondence between Mr. John Carson, Chairman of 
the Public Service Commission and the Honourable John 
Turner, Minister of Justice, regarding bilingualism in the 
Public Service and its application under the terms of the 
Public Service Employment Act, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all resolutions in the possession of the Department of 
Indian Affairs and Northern Development passed by the 
St. Regis Indian Band or the St. Regis Indian Band 
Council relating to the annexation by the City of Corn- 
wall, the Province of Ontario or any group established 
under the aegis of the Province of Ontario, of Cornwall 
Island or any part of the St. Regis Indian Reserve. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 150 
— Mr. Hoxoard (Skeena)). 



Ordei^ed, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of the report on the investigation by Mr. R. King under- 
taken for the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern 
Development, regarding the blow-out and fire of the 
Panarctic King Christian D-18 exploratory well. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 164 — Mr. 
Harding). 



Bin C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, was again considered in Committee of the Whole, 
and progress having been made and reported the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed Bill C-4, An Act 
to amend the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act, 
without any amendment. 



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Clianges in Covimittee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Cafik and St. Pierre for Messrs. Walker and 
Leblanc (Laurier) on the Standing Committee on 
Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Goyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Copy of Contracts between the Government of 
Canada and certain Municipalities in the Province of 
Alberta, pursuant to subsection 3 of section 20 of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, chapter 54, Statutes 
of Canada, 1959.— Sessional Paper No. 283-1 /266B. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of Contracts between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and certain Municipalities in the 
Province of Saskatchewan, pursuant to subsection 3 of 
section 20 of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, 
chapter 54, Statutes of Canada, 1959. — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/274A. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of Contracts between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and certain Municipalities in the 
Province of New Brunswick, pursuant to subsection 3 of 
section 20 of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, 



chapter 54, Statutes of Canada, 1959. — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-1/272. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of Contracts between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Municipalities of Port 
Hawkcsbury and Windsor in the Province of Nova 
Scotia, pursuant to subsection 3 of section 20 of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, chapter 54, Statutes 
of Canada, 1959.— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/275. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of a Contract between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Municipality of Corner Brook 
in the Province of Newfoundland, pursuant to subsection 
3 of section 20 of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police 
Act, chapter 54, Statutes of Canada, 1959. — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/276. 

By Mr. Goyer, — Copy of a Contract between the Gov- 
ernment of Canada and the Municipality of Souris in the 
Province of Prince Edward Island, pursuant to subsec- 
tion 3 of section 20 of the Royal Canadian Mounted 
Police Act, chapter 54, Statutes of Canada, 1959. — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-1/273. 

By Mr. Lang, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report of the Department of Manpower and Immigration, 
for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1970, pursuant to sec- 
tion 14 of the Government Organization Act, 1966, chap- 
ter 25, Statutes of Canada, 1966-67. (English and French). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/17. 



At 6.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of (1) Agreement between 
the Government of Canada and the Government of the 
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on Cooperation in 
the Industrial Application of Science and Technology. 

(2) Protocol, done in Moscow, February 1, 1971, at the 
first meeting of the Canadian-Soviet Mixed Commission 
on Co-operation in the Industrial Application of Science 
and Technology, together with appendices. 

(3) Communique, issued following the Second Meeting 
of the First Session of the Canadian-Soviet Mixed Com- 
mission on Co-operation in the Industrial Application 
of Science and Technology. — (English and French). 
Sessional Paper No. 283-6/143. 



Mr. Lang, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of a Release issued by 
the Canadian Wheat Board, dated February 4, 1971, re- 
lating to the final payments on Oats and Barley delivered 
to the Board during the 1969-70 crop year. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/260. 



Mr. Lang, laid upon the Table, — Copies of a Release, 
dated February 4, 1971, on the sale of flour to the 



U.S.S.R. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-6/142. 



Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, was again considered in Committee of the Whole 
and progress having been made and reported the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Memhers' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)'i 

Items numbered 24, 5, 10, 27 and 28 were allowed to 
stand and retain their position at the request of the 
government. 



Mr. Skoberg, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That an Order of the House do 
issue for a copy of the consultant report by Heward, 
Newman and Associates and Julian, Hebert and Associ- 
ates, Montreal, regarding information media relative to 



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the war on poverty undertaken in the year 1967-68, for 
the Privy Council Office, as mentioned in answer to 
Question Number 1,323 of the 1st Session of this Parlia- 
ment. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 80). 



After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was negatived on the following division: 



Yeas 
Messrs. 



Alexander, 


Fairweather, 


Latulippe, 


McKinley, 


Skoberg, 


Barnett, 


Forrestall, 


Lundrigan, 


Marshall, 


Stanfield, 


Bell, 


Gauthier, 


MacDonald 


Mather, 


Tetrault, 


Benjamin, 


Gilbert, 


(Egmont), 


Muir, 


Thomas 


Brewin, 


Godin, 


Maclnnis (Cape 


Murta, 


(Moncton), 


Burton, 


Harding, 


Breton-East 


Nesbitt, 


Thompson 


Conieau, 


Howe. 


Richmond), 


Peddle, 


(Red Deer), 


Crouse, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Maclnnis (Mrs.), 


Ritchie, 


Thomson 


Danforth, 


North Centre), 


MacLean, 


Rodrigue, 


(Battleford- 


Dinsdale, 


Knowles (Norfolk- 


MacRae, 


Rondeau, 


Kindersley), 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Haldimand), 


McCleave, 


Rowland, 


Woolliams — 49. 


Cowichan-The 


Laprise, 


Mcintosh, 


Scott, 




Islands), 




Nays 
Messrs. 






Allmand, 


Deakon, 


Hymmen, 


Marchand 


Roy (Timmins), 


Andras, 


Drury, 


Isabelle, 


(Kamloops- 


Serre, 


Badanai, 


Dube, 


Jerome, 


Cariboo), 


Sharp, 


Basford, 


Dupras, 


Lachance, 


Morison, 


Smerchanski, 


Benson, 


Forget, 


Laing (Vancouver 


Munro, 


Smith 


Blair, 


Foster, 


South), 


Olson, 


(Northumberland 


Borrie, 


Francis, 


Lang (Saskatoon- 


Osier, 


Miramichi), 


Boulanger, 


Gendron, 


Humboldt), 


Otto, 


Stafford, 


Brown, 


Gibson, 


Langlois, 


Ouellet, 


Stanbury, 


Caccia, 


Gillespie, 


Lefebvre, 


FeUetier, 


St. Pierre, 


Caflk, 


Givens, 


Legault, 


Penner, 


Sulatycky, 


Chappell, 


Goyer, 


Lessard (LaSalle), 


Pepin, 


Trudeau, 


Chretien, 


Gray, 


Loiselle, 


Perrault, 


Turner 


Clermont, 


Groos, 


MacGuigan, 


Prud'homme, 


(London East), 


Corbin, 


Guay 


McBride, 


Reid, 


Turner (Ottawa-. 


Cote (Longueuil), 


(St. Boniface), 


McNulty, 


Richard, 


Garleton), 


CuUen, 


Hellyer, 


Mahoney, 


Richardson, 


Walker, 


Danson, 


Hogarth, 


Major, 


Roberts, 


Whelan, 


Davis, 


Hopkins, 


Marceau, 


Robinson, 


Whicher, 


Deachman, 


Howard (Okanagan 


Marchand 


Rochon, 


Whiting— 92. 




Boundary), 


(Langelier), 


Rock, 





The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization 
of the Government of Canada and matters related or 
incidental thereto, and further progress having been 
made and reported the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 



At 10.29 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 1971 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 

The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs of Bill C-218, An Act to amend the provisions of 
the Criminal Code relating to the release from custodj' 
of accused persons before trial or pending appeal; 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Drury, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal 
Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and 
Legal Affairs. 



Bill C-191, An Act to amend the Farm Improvement 
Loans Act. the Small Businesses Loans Act and the 
Fisheries Improvement Loans Act, as reported (without 
amendment) from the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs, was concurred in at the 
report stage. 



Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton) for Mr. Benson, second- 
ed by Mr. Richardson, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time 
and passed. 

The Order being read for the second reading and ref- 
erence to tlie Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs of Bill C-217, An Act to implement an 
agreement for the avoidance of double taxation with 
respect to income tax between Canada and Jamaica; 

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton) for Mr. Benson, second- 
ed by Mr. Richardson, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance, 
Trade and Economic Affairs. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — List of shareholders in the Banks incorporated under 
the Quebec Savings Banks Act, as at the end of the finan- 
cial years ended October 31, 1970, pursuant to section 
101(1) of the said Act, chapter 93, Statutes of Canada, 
1966-67. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/71. 

By Mr. Benson, — List of shareholders in the Chartered 
Banks of Canada, as at the end of the financial years 
ended October 31, 1970, pursuant to section 119(1) of 
the Bank Act, chapter 87, Statutes of Canada, 1966-67. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/68. 

By Mr. Marchand, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report on Prairie Farm Rehabilitation and 



Related Activities, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 
1970, pursuant to section 12 of the Prairie Farm Reha- 
bilitation Act, chapter 214, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French).— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/211. 

By Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Annual Report of the Minister of Industry, Trade and 
Commerce under the Corporations and Labour Unions 
Returns Act — Part II Labour Unions — for the calendar 
year 1968 pursuant to subsection (1) of section 16 of the 
Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act, chapter 
26, Statutes of Canada, 1962. (English and French). — 
Sessional Papers No. 283-1/115A. 



By unanimous consent, at 4.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speak- 
er adjourned the House until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., 
pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Trudel, seconded by Mr. Stewart (Cochrane), by 
leave of the House introduced Bill C-223, An Act respect- 
ing the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered to be printed and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following seven 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 359— Mr. Coates 

How many Royal Commissions are presently operat- 
ing (a) what are the subjects covered in each instance 

(b) for what period of time have they been in existence 

(c) what are the names of the members in each instance 

(d) how much has each received in honorarium and 
expenses (e) what has been the cost to date of each 
Royal Commission (/) what will be the final estimated 
cost in each instance (g) what is the anticipated date 
on which they will conclude their work? — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-2/359. 

No. 542 — Mr. Howard (Skeena) 

Does the government, or any agency or department 
thereof, rent or lease any office or other space in Prince 



George, B.C., and, if so, what is (a) the name of each 
such agency or department (b) the amount of space 
so rented or leased by each (c) the date upon which 
each such rental or lease arrangement came into effect 
(d) the length of time of each lease (e) the amount 
paid annually for so renting or leasing (/) the name of 
each company or person from whom space is so rented 
or leased? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/542. 

No. 601 — Mr. Nowlan 

In each of the past five years, how many persons are 
estimated to have been assisted in programs in the Indian 
integration category, and at what cost? — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-2/601. 

No. 623— Mr. Yewchuk 

1. (a) What has been the total cost of the Royal 
Commission on the Status of Women in its investigation 
and production of a report (b) what has been the total 
cost of the Le Dain Commission in its inquiry into the 
non-medical use of drugs (c) what has been the total 
cost of the Barber Commission on Farm Machinery? 

2. What were the salaries and total expense accounts 
of each of the members of the Commissions? — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-2/623. 



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No. 633— Mr. Valade 

Since January 1964 (a) how many Royal Commissions 

were established (b) what was the name of each (c) 

what was the cost of each? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/633. 

No. 741 — Mr. Howard (Skeena) 

What .studies have been conducted by the Develop- 
ment Analysis Section of the Northern Economic De- 
velopment Branch of the Department of Indian Affairs 
and Northern Development, and (a) what were the 
amounts spent on each of these studies (b) who con- 
ducted these studies (c) what is the status of each study? 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-2/741. 

No. 745— Mr. Sfcoberg 

1 . With reference to the Department of Manpower 
and Immigration recent publication "Manpower Mobility 
Program Follow-up Study", prepared by Kates, Peat, 
Marwick and Co., dated March 31, 1969, how many 
applications for a relocation grant since the inception of 
this plan until December 31, 1970 have been refused? 

2. How many applications for relocation gi-ants under 
the Manpower Mobility Program have been refused by 
province? 

3. On what grounds was the majority of the applica- 
tions for a relocation grant under the Manpower Mobility 
Program refused? 

4. How many applications for grants under the Man- 
power Mobility Program have been accepted by province? 

5. What is the total amount of the grants paid for 
those qualifying under the Manpower Mobility Program 
by province?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/745. 

Mr. Jeiome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the 
motion of Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Pepin, — That Bill 
C-186, An Act to authorize the provision of moneys to 
meet certain capital expenditures of the Canadian Na- 
tional Railways System and Air Canada for the period 
from the 1st day of January, 1970, to the 30th day of 
June, 1971, and to authorize the guarantee by Her Maj- 
esty of certain securities to be issued by the Canadian 
National Railway Company and certain debentures to 
be issued by Air Canada, be now read a second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and 
Communications. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Howe, seconded 
by Mr. Thomas (Moncton), in amendment thereto, — That 
Bill C-186, be not now read a second time as, in the 
opinion of this house, the making of financial guarantees 
or grants to the Canadian National Railways without the 
appointment of the Auditor General of Canada at least 
as a joint auditor of the CNR is not a principle that this 
House ought to support. 



And debate continuing; 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: This might be an appropriate 
time to rule on the amendment proposed by the honour- 
able Member for Wellington-Grey-Dufferin-Waterloo 
(Mr. Howe). 

When Bill C-186 was last before the House on Novem- 
ber 30, 1970, the honourable Member for Wellington- 
Grey-Dufferin-Waterloo proposed to move an amendment 
as follows: "That Bill C-186 be not now read a second 
time as, in the opinion of this House, the making of 
financial guarantees or grants to the Canadian National 
Railways without the appointment of the Auditor Gen- 
eral of Canada at least as a joint auditor of the CNR 
is not a principle that this House ought to support." 

On that occasion I indicated that I intended to deal 
with the procedural aspects of the amendment but be- 
fore I could do so the hour for Private Members' Busi- 
ness intervened and, subsequently, the debate on Bill 
C-186 was unanimously adjourned. This is the first 
occasion on which the bill has been back before the 
House and therefore, if it is agreeable to the House, this 
might be an opportune time for me to deal with the pro- 
cedural aspects of the amendment. 

It seems to me, and I appreciate that this was the in- 
tention of the honourable Member who moved it, that 
the proposed amendment, if adopted, would have the 
effect of amending clause 15 of the bill which provides 
for the appointment of auditors. It would in the words of 
the proposed amendment, provide for "the appointment 
of the Auditor General of Canada at least as a joint 
auditor of the CNR." 

While the purpose of the amendment is clear my con- 
cern must be whether or not it is procedurally correct. 

With great respect to the honourable Member who pro- 
posed the amendment it seems to me that it may not 
pass the test as a reasoned amendment which could be 
accepted at this point in the proceedings, in two particu- 
lars. 

First it appears that the proposed amendment does not 
oppose the principle of the bill. It opposes or adds to 
the provision of clause 15 by substituting one auditor for 
another, or by providing that instead of the auditor 
named in clause 15 acting alone, he would act jointly 
with the Auditor General of Canada. I cite here as 
authority, without reading it to the House, Beauchesne's 
fourth edition, citation 393(3). 

Again, on the second point which gives me some con- 
cern, the proposed amendment may fall somewhat short 
of the practices of the House in that it does appear that 
the purpose which the honourable Member for Welling- 
ton-Grey-Dufferin-Waterloo is attempting to achieve is 
the amendment of a detail in the bill which might very 
well be attempted in the standing committee, or at the 
report stage of the bill. Again, without reading the cita- 
tions may I refer honourable Members to May's 17th 



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edition, pages 527 and 528, and Beauchesne's fourth edi- 
tion, citation 389. 

Having in mind the care with which the proposed 
amendment was drafted, but because of the caution 
which the Chair must take to ensure the procedviral ac- 
ceptability of amendments, for the reasons I have men- 
tioned I am of the opinion that the honourable Member's 
proposed amendment cannot be put at this time. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Benson, 
seconded by Mr. Pepin,— That Bill C-186, An Act to 
authorize the provision of moneys to meet certain capital 
expenditures of the Canadian National Railways System 
and Air Canada for the period from the 1st day of Janu- 
ary, 1970, to the 30th day of June, 1971, and to authorize 
the guarantee by Her Majesty of certain securities to be 
issued by the Canadian National Railway Company and 
certain debentures to be issued by Air Canada, be now 
read a second time and referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Transport and Communications. 

And debate continuing; 



authorize the guarantee by Her Majesty of certain se- 
curities to be issued by the Canadian National Railway 
Company and certain debentures to be issued by Air 
Canada, be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Transport and Communications. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion it was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read a second time, on 
division, and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Transport and Communications. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House 
do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 
was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 



(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, item numbered 
allowed to stand and retain its position. 



nme was 



Mr. Hales, seconded by Mr. Crouse, moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should 
consider the advisability of introducing legislation to 
amend the Estate Tax Act to provide that taxes, interest, 
penalties, costs and other amounts due and payable 
under that Act in respect of an estate may be paid in 
whole or in part by the transfer or transmission of Gov- 
ernment of Canada bonds or other securities of Canada 
to Her Majesty where such bonds or securities form 
part of the estate and were acquired by the deceased 
at least five years prior to his death; and that payment 
so made shall be deemed to be payment at the face 
value of such securities with interest, if any, accrued 
thereon. — (Notice of Motion No. 14). 

And debate arising thereon; . 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Benson, 
seconded by Mr. Pepin, — That Bill C-186, An Act to 
authorize the provision of moneys to meet certain capital 
expenditures of the Canadian National Railways System 
and Air Canada for the period from the 1st day of 
January, 1970, to the 30th day of June, 1971, and to 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Noel for Mr. Mahoney on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Address, dated February 3, 1971, 
to His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of 
all telegrams, correspondence and other documents ex- 
changed between the government or any agency, depart- 
ment or branch thereof and the Government of the Prov- 
ince of New Brunswick relating to medical services for 
Indian people in the said Province since July 1, 1969. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 1). — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-3/1. 

By Mr. MacEachen, Return to an Order of the House, 
dated February 3, 1971, for a copy of all resolutions in 
the possession of the Department of Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development passed by the St. Regis Indian 
Band or the St. Regis Indian Band Council relating to 
the annexation by the City of Cornwall, the Province 
of Ontario or any group established under the aegis of 
the Province of Ontario, of Cornwall Island or any part 
of the St. Regis Indian Reserve. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 150). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-3/150. 



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By Mr. MacEachen, Return to an Order of the House, 
dated June 17, 1970, for a copy of the research studies 
undertaken by the Economics Service Branch of the 
Department of Fisheries and Forestry for the fiscal years 
1968-69 and 1969-70 as mentioned in answer to Question 
Number 34 and reported in Hansard of Wednesday, 
January 14, 1970. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 339). — Sessional Paper No. 283-3/339. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, First 
Report, pursuant to Standing Order 97(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the 
honour to report that the following petitioners have 
complied with the requirements of Standing Order 93: 



La Societe des Artisans, of the City of Montreal, Que- 
bec, praying for the passing of an Act amending its Act 
of Incorporation to change its name to "The Artisans, 
Life Insurance Cooperative Society" and, in French, "Les 
Artisans, societe cooperative d'assurance-vie" , to rescind 
its functions as a fraternal mutual-aid society, while 
retaining its representative system of management, and 
to invest it with the rights and privileges of a life 
insurance company operating on a mutual basis. 



At 10.22 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Jamieson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Report of the Board of 
Inquiry into the accident at Toronto International Air- 
port, Malton, Ontario, to Air Canada DC8-CF-TIW air- 
craft, July 5, 1970. (The Honourable Mr. Justice Hugh F. 
Gibson — Conunissioner). — Sessional Paper No. 283-4/112. 



Mr. Jamieson laid upon the Table, — Extracts from 
Report of the Board of Inquiry into the accident at Tor- 
onto International Airport, Malton, Ontario, to Air Can- 
ada DCB-CF-TIW aircraft, July 5, 1970. (The Honourable 
Mr. Justice Hugh F. Gibson — Commissioner) (French). — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-4/112A. 



Mr. Davis, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave of 
the House, introduced BiU C-224, An Act relating to 
ambient air quality and to the control of air pollution, 
which was read the first time and ordered to be printed 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General printed pursuant to Standing Order 
62(2) in relation to the foregoing Bill is as follows: 



His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons a measure respecting ambient 
air quality and the control of air pollution, to establish, 
operate and maintain a system of air pollution monitoring 
stations throughout Canada, to conduct research and 
provide related consultative advisory and technical ser- 
vices, to establish demonstration projects; to collect and 
publish data and any information relating to air pollu- 
tion considered desirable to inform the public; to provide 
for cooperation with any provincial government or with 
any person in monitoring operations and in research; to 
provide for the establishment of advisory and other 
committees and for the renumeration and expenses of 
their members; to establish national and specific emission 
standards and guidelines; to provide for entering into 
agreements with provincial governments to formulate, 
coordinate and implement policies and programs designed 
to control and abate air pollution; and to provide further 
for consequential and related provisions in connection 
with the administration of the Act. 



BiU C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, was again considered in Committee of the Whole 



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and progress having been made and reported the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to sit again later this day, or at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Accordingly, the said bill vi^as read the third time and 
passed. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15{4)] 

(Public Bills) 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Jerome, 
seconded by Mr. Deachman, the following bills were read 
the second time, considered in Committee of the Whole, 
reported without amendment, concurred in at the report 
stage, read the third time and passed: 

Bill C-21, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act, 

Bill C-83, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act, 

Bill C-88, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act, 

Bill C-178, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act, and 

Bill C-223, An Act respecting the Electoral Boundaries 
Readjustment Act. 



Mr. Pepin for Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Olson, 
moved, — That the following matters be referred to the 
Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and Northern 
Development: 

1 . The Annual Report of the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development for the year ended 
March 31, 1968 and the evidence adduced by the Com- 
mittee in its consideration thereof during the Twenty- 
eighth Parliament; 

2. The Annual Report of the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development for the year ended 
March 31, 1969; 

3. The subject-matter of Arctic icebreaker service; 
and 

That, during its consideration thereof, the Committee 
be empowered to adjourn from place to place within 
Canada. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



Bill S-4, An Act to implement an agreement amending 
the Trade Agreement between Canada and New Zealand 
as reported (without amendment) from the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, was 
concurred in at the report stage. 

Mr. Pepin for Mr. Sharp, seconded by Mr. Olson, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a third time and 
do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 



Bill S-2, An Act respecting statistics of Canada, as 
reported (with amendments) from the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs, was con- 
curred in at the report stage, read the third time and 
passed. 



The Order being read for the report stage of Bill C-184, 
An Act to amend the Export Development Act, as 
reported (without amendment) from the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs; 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. 
Laing (Vancouver South), moved, — That Bill C-184, An 
Act to amend the Export Development Act, be amended 

(a) by striking out lines 4 and 5 on page 1 and 
substituting the following: 

'1. (1) Subsection (1) of section 4 of the Export 
Development Act is repealed and the following sub- 
stituted therefor: 

"4. (1) The Chairman and six other directors 

shall be appointed by the Governor in Council from 

among persons employed in the public service of 

Canada." 

(2) Subsection (3) of section 4 of the said Act 
is repealed and the following substituted therefor: 
"(3) The five directors not appointed from 
among persons employed in the public service of 
Canada shall be appointed by the Governor in 
Council to hold office during pleasure for such 
term, not exceeding five years, as will ensure as 
far as possible the expiration in any one year of 
the term of not more than one such appointee." 

2. (1) Subsection (1) of section 11 of the said 
Act is repealed' ; and 

(b) by renumbering clauses 2 to 10 as clauses 3 

to 11 respectively. 



The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons that BiU C-184, An Act to amend 
the Export Development Act, now before the House, be 
amended 

(a) by striking out lines 4 and 5 on page 1 and sub- 
stituting the following: 

'1. (1) Subsection (1) of section 4 of the Export 
Development Act is repealed and the following sub- 
stituted therefor: 

"4. (1) The Chairman and six other directors 
shall be appointed by the Governor in Council 
from among persons employed in the public serv- 
ice of Canada." 



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(2) Subsection (3) of section 4 of the said Act 
is repealed and the following substituted therefor: 
"3. The five directors not appointed from among 
persons employed in the public service of Canada 
shall be appointed by the Governor in Council 
to hold office during pleasure for such term, not 
exceeding five years, as will ensure as far as 
possible the expiration in any one year of the 
term of not more than one such appointee." 

2. (1) Subsection (1) of section 11 of the said 
Act is repealed' ; and 

(b) by renumbering clauses 2 to 10 as clauses 3 to 
1 1 respectively. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pepin, sec- 
onded by Mr. Laing (Vancouver South), the said bill, 
as iimended, was concurred in at the report stage. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Pepin, seconded by Mr. 
Laing (Vancouver South), moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said biU was read the third time and 
passed. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

By unanimous consent, at 9.50 o'clock p.m., the ques- 
tion "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to 
have been proposed pursuant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Nowlan for Mr. Moore on the Standing Committee 
on Agriculture. 

Mr. Leblanc (Laurier) for Mr. Cafik on the Standing 
Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Cyr for Mr. Weatherhead on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Veterans Affairs. 

Mr. Breau for Mr. Pringle on the Standing Committee 
on Transport and Communications. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report of the Department of National Health and Welfare 
for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1969, pursuant to 
section 10 of the Department of National Health and 
Welfare Act, chapter 74, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). — Sessional Paper No. 283 — 1/18. 



At 10.17 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Statement of Conclusions 
of the Third Working Session of the Constitutional Con- 
ference, held at Ottawa, February 8 and 9, 1971. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-5/6. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said 
document be printed as an appendix to this day's 
Hansard. 



Mr. Munro, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Final Report to the 
Federal-Provincial Conference of Ministers of Welfare 
by the Federal-Provincial Working Group on Costs of 
Welfare Programs, January, 1971. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-5/20. 



Mr. Munro, laid upon the Table, — Copies of Final 
Report to the Federal-Provincial Conference of Minis- 
ters of Welfare by the Federal-Provincial Task Force on 
a Developmental Approach to Public Assistance, January 
1971. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-5/21. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 441 — Mr. Mather 

1. What, by department and agency, was the number 
of information personnel, including clerical staff, em- 
ployed by the government prior to the establishment of 
Information Canada? 

2. What was the aggregate cost of such employment? 

3. What is the number of information personnel, in- 
cluding clerical staff, today? 

4. What is the aggregate cost of such employment? 

5. What is the number of Information Canada em- 
ployees including clerical staff? 

6. What is the aggregate cost of such employment? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/441. 



No. 779 — Mr. Thomson (Battleford-Kindersley) 

1 . What are the names and addresses of all the field 
inspectors and personnel who were engaged in field 
inspections under Operation LIFT in Saskatchewan? 



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2. What are the names and addresses of all firms or 
indi\'iduals employed in aerial photographj' under Opera- 
tion LIFT in Saskatchewan? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/779. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 4, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
reports piepared by any employee of the Government of 
Canada or any agency, department or branch thereof 
and specifically, a Mr. Glynn and a Mr. Smith, who 
attended the Conference of Chiefs held in Kamloops, B.C. 
from November 17 to 22, 1969, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 174, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
all plans and specifications received by the Department 
of Fisheries and Forestry from Bulkley Bailey Forest 
Industries Ltd., relating to the control over and treat- 
ment of the waste from that company's proposed pulp 
mill near Houston, B.C., 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House a copy of an agreement between the 
Government of Canada and the Government of Saskatch- 
ewan providing for the development of the Last Oak 
Park in the Crooked-Round Lakes region of southeastern 
Saskatchewan. — (Notice of Motion jor the Production of 
Papers No. 187 — Mr. Burton). 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the Department 
of Fisheries and Forestry, or any agency or branch 
thereof, and the Pollution Control Board of the Province 
of British Columbia relating to any aspect of environ- 
mental control, pollution control, ecological matters, 
industrial effluents and similar matters since July 1, 1968. 
— {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 95 
— Mr. Howard (Skeena)). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 106, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of 
all correspondence between the Department of Fisheries 
and Forestry and the Chemical and Pulp and Paper 
Industry regarding mercury water pollution in Canada, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Kootenay West (Mr. Harding), transferred 
by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of Motions 
(Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 148, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for copies of all 
correspondence between the Department of Fisheries 
and Forestry and pulp mills in British Columbia regard- 
ing the pollution of B.C. waters and the pollution guide- 
lines of the Department, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Eraser Valley West (Mr. Rose), transferred 
by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of Motions 
(Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That this House 
approves in general the budgetary policy of the Gov- 
ernment. 

And debate continuing; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had agreed to the amendments 
made by the House of Commons to Bill S-2, An Act 
respecting statistics of Canada, without any amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate infornung 
this House that the name of the Honourable Senator 
Casgrain had been substituted for that of the Honourable 
Senator Giguere on the list of Senators serving on the 
Special Joint Committee of the Senate and House of 
Commons on the Constitution of Canada. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. McGrath, Carter and Southam for Messrs. 
Forrestall, Skoreyko and Howe on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Transport and Communications. 

Mr. Nowlan for Mr. Horner on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Transport and Communications. 

Mr. Guay (Levis) for Mr. Duquet on the Standing 
Committee on Transport and Communications. 



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Mr. Foster for Mr. Hopkins on the Special Joint Com- 
mittee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Messrs. Cafik and Mahoney for Messrs. Forest and St. 
Pierre on the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. McBride for Mr. Badanai on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development. 

Mr. Schumacher for Mr. Noble on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk oj the House 



By Mr. Andras, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Capital Budget of Central Mortgage and Housing 
Corporation for the year ending December 31, 1971, pur- 
suant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration 
Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, as approved by Order in 
Council P.C. 1971-230 dated February 4, 1971. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/109. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations 
published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
February 10, 1971, pursuant to section 7 of the Regula- 
tions Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 
—Sessional Paper No. 283-1/334. 



The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Clermont, from the Standing Conamittee on Fi- 
nance, Trade and Economic Affairs, presented the Eighth 
Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Friday, Febru- 
ary 5, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill C-217, 
An Act to implement an agreement for the avoidance of 
double taxation with respect to income tax between 
Canada and Jamaica, and has agreed to report it with- 
out aanendment. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issue No. 18) is tabled. 



(A copy of the Minutes and Proceedings accompanying 
the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 23 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Trudeau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Press Release, dated 
February 11, 1971, announcing the itinerary of the 
visit of the Royal Family to British Columbia — May 3 
to May 12, 1971. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-7/17. 

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Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following 
letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

11th February 1971. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable 
D. C. Abbott, P.C, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court 
of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, 
will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, February 
11th, at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent 
to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

LOUIS-FRfiMONT TRUDEAU 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 
The Speaker of the House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. 
Benson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That this House 
approves in general the budgetary policy of the Gov- 
ernment. 



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And debate continuing; 



A Message was received from the Honourable D. C. 
Abbott, P.C., Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of 
Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Gover- 
nor General, desiring the immediate attendance of the 
House in the Senate Chamber. 



pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal As- 
sent to the following bills: 

An Act respecting statistics of Canada 

An Act to implement an agreement amending the 
Trade Agreement between Canada and New Zealand 

An Act to repeal the Leprosy Act 

An Act to amend the Emergency Gold Mining Assist- 
ance Act 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker went with the House to the 
Senate Chamber. 



And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that when the House did attend 
the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the Gover- 
nor General in the Senate Chamber, His Honour was 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Benson, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That this House approves 
in general the budgetary policy of the Government. 

And debate continuing; 

At 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 60(8); 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 



Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Blouin, 

Borrie, 

Breau, 

Buchanan, 

Caccia, 

Cafik, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Corbin, 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Grossman, 

Cullen, 

Cyr, 

Danson, 

Deachman, 

Deakon, 



Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dube, 
Dupras, 
Faulkner, 
Forget, 
Foster, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gibson, 
Gillespie, 
Givens, 
Goode, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 
Groos, 

Guay (St. Boniface), 
Guilbault, 
Haidasz, 
Hellyer, 
Hogarth, 
Hopkins, 
Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Isabelle, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Laing 

(Vancouver South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Langlois, 
Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean), 
Lind, 

MacEachen, 
MacGuigan, 
McBride, 
McNulty, 
Mahoney, 
Major, 
Marceau, 
Marchand 

(Langelier), 
Morison, 

Nays 

Messrs. 



Murphy, 

Noel, 

O'Connell, 

Olson, 

Orange, 

Osier, 

Otto, 

Ouellet, 

Pelletier, 

Penner, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Pringle, 

Prud'homme, 

Reid, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Robinson, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 

Roy (Timmins), 

Roy (Laval), 

Serre, 

Sharp, 



Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
St. Pierre, 
Sulatycky, 
Sullivan, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner (Ottawa- 

Carleton), 
Watson, 
Weatherhead, 
Whelan, 
Whicher, 
Whiting— 114. 



Baldwin, 


Burton, 


Douglas (Nanaimo- 


Gauthier, 


Knowles (Winnipeg 


Barnelt, 


Carter, 


Cowichan-The 


Gilbert, 


North Centre), 


Bell, 


Coates, 


Islands), 


Gundlock, 


KorchinskJ, 


Benjamin, 


Diefenbaker, 


Downey, 


Harding, 


Lambert 


Bigg, 


Dinsdale, 


Fairweather, 


Harkness, 


(Edmonton West), 


Brewin, 


Dionne, 


Flemming, 


Howard (Skeena), 


Laprise, 



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La Salle, 

Latulippe, 

Lewis, 

Lundrigan, 

MacDonald 
(Egmont), 

Maclnnis (Cape 
Breton-East 
Richmond), 

Maclnnis (Mrs.), 



MacLean, 

McCleave, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McQuaid, 

Marsiiall, 

Mather, 

Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Muir, 



Nowlan, 

Nystrom, 

Orlikow, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 

Peters, 

Ricard, 

Rodrigue, 

Rondeau, 

Rose, 



Rowland, 

Saltsman, 

Schumacher, 

Simpson, 

Southam, 

Stanfield, 

Stewart 

(Marquette), 
Tetrault, 



Thomas 

(Moncton), 
Thompson 

(Red Deer), 
Thomson 

(Battleford- 

Kindersley), 
Valade, 
Yewchuk — 66. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Whicher, Marchand (Kamloops-Cariboo), Mc- 
Bride and Sulatycky for Messrs. Blouin, Noel, Cadieu 
and Stewart (Cochrane) on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 

Messrs. Rock and Breau for Messrs. Deakon and Cross- 
man on the Special Committee on Environmental Pollu- 
tion. 

Messrs. Guay (St. Boniface), Robinson and Roy (La- 
val) for Messrs. Forest, Duquet and Portelance on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

Mr. Leblanc (Laurier) for Mr. Murphy on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Public Accounts. 

Messrs. Dupras and Weatherhead for Messrs. Loiselle 
and Cyr on the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 

Mr. McGrath for Mr. Comeau on the Special Com- 
mittee on Environmental Pollution. 

Mr. Groos for Mr. Noel on the Standing Committee 
on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Roy (Laval) for Mr. Portelance on the Standing 
Committee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. Basford, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report, dated January 14, 1971, of the Restrictive 
Trade Practices Commission, under the Combines In- 
vestigation Act, relating to the Production, Manufacture, 
Sale and Supply of Electric Lamps and Related Products. 
(English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-4/20. 

By Mr. Chretien, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Department of Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development for the fiscal year ended March 
31, 1970, pursuant to section 20 of the Government Or- 
ganization Act, 1966, chapter 25, Statutes of Canada, 
1966-67. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 
283-1/13. 

By Mr. Marchand, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report on the Operation of the Regional De- 
velopment Incentives Act for the period January 1 to 
January 31, 1971, pursuant to section 16 of the said 
Act, chapter 56, Statutes of Canada 1968-69. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/322. 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 1971 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Press Release, dated 
February 11, 1971, with reference to Dominion Bureau 
of Statistics imemployment figures. (English and French). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-7/18. 



Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, pursuant to Standing Order 60(2), designated Tues- 
day, February 16, 1971, for the consideration of Ways 
and Means motions. 



Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, was again considered in Committee of the Whole 
and progress having been made and reported the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing 
this House that the Senate had passed the following 
bill to which the concurrence of this House is desired: 

Bill S-10, An Act respecting La Soci^te des Artisans. — 
Mr. Gendron. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 100(2). 



[At 4.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

{Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, items numbered 9, 15, 16, 17, 
18, 19, 20 and 21 were allowed to stand and retain 
their position. 



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Mr. Foster, seconded by Mr. Hogarth, moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should 
consider the advisability of convening a national ad hoc 
conference of appropriate people to encourage the enact- 
ment in all jurisdictions in Canada of uniform anatomical 
gift legislation and to consider the need for international 
agreements to facilitate the transfer of human tissue be- 
tween Canada and other countries. — {Notice of Motion 
No. 24). 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Nesbitt for Mr. Asselin on the Special Joint Com- 
mittee on the Constitution of Canada. 

Mr. Bechard for Mr. Gibson on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council,— Return to an Order of the House, dated 
October 28, 1970, for a copy of all speeches, reports, 
resolutions of , the northern communications conference 
held at Yellowknife, NWT in September, 1970. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 98). — Ses- 
sional Paper No. 283-3/98. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated January 27, 1971, for a copy of all correspondence, 
briefs, telegrams and other documents between Les 
Entreprises d'Abitihi Limitee and the Department of 
Public Works pertaining to the building or repair of 



wharfs, launching ramps, federal buildings in the consti- 
tuency of Abitibi during 1969-1970. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 99). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-3/99. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, (Question No. 1,845), showing: 1. 
What Federal-Provincial Trans-Canada Highway con- 
tracts have been awarded in Newfoundland since Janu- 
ary 1, 1960? 

2. What was the location and length of each such 
contract? 

3. What was the name of the general contractors? 

4. What was the total amount of each accepted con- 
tract? 

5. What was the total amount paid to the general con- 
tractors? 

6. What was the (a) estimated (b) actual cost of 
materials supplied by the government? 

7. What was the (a) estimated (b) total fees paid to 
the consultant engineers? 

8. What was the total contributions paid to the pro- 
vincial government for each contract? 

9. On what date were the contracts awarded and what 
was the date of the actual completion? 

10. What is the anticipated date of completion for 
current contracts? 

11. Are the stated amounts the contributions made by 
the federal government or the total cost of the various 
items? 

12. In each case, was there a 50-50 or a 90-10 agree- 
ment between the federal and provincial governments? — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-2/1,845. 



By Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
— Report of Operations under the Export and Import 
Permits Act for the year ended December 31, 1970, pur- 
suant to section 26 of the said Act, chapter 27, Statutes 
of Canada, 1953-54. (English and French).— Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/137. 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Agreement between the 
Government of Canada and the Government of the State 
of Israel on Commercial Scheduled Air Services. Signed 
at Ottawa, February 10, 1971. Entered into Force, Febru- 
ary 10, 1971. (English and French). — Sessional Paper 
No. 283-6/105. 



5. What is the anticipated value of each remaining 
item? 

6. When are the remaining items expected to be sold? 
—Sessional Paper No, 283-2/216. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Return to the fore- 
going Order. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Ques- 
tion was made an Order of the House for a Retxirn: 

No. 216— Mr. Hales 

1. What was the net amount received by the govern- 
ment for the HMCS Bonaventure? 

2. Was it a cash deal or were credit arrangements 
made? 

3. What instruments, fittings or other material was 
salvaged from the Bonaventure before it was sold for 
scrap by the government? 

4. Which items have been sold, and what was the 
payment received for each? 

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By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That speeches 
on the motion under the order Business of Supply be 
limited to fifteen minutes with the exception of the prime 
speakers who shall be limited to thirty minutes. 



The Order being read for the consideration of the 
Business of Supply; 

Pursuant to Standing Order 58, Mr. Baldwin, seconded 
by Mr. Thompson (Red Deer), moved, — That this House 
condemns the government's lack of leadership which has 
humiliated the disadvantaged, dislocated the finamces of 



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provinces and municipalities, and caused injiary and 
decline to our rural communities which are already 
seriously damaged by the government's failure to provide 
adequate agricultural policies. 

After debate thereon, proceedings on the motion ex- 
pired. 



{Proceedings on Adiournment Motion) 

At 10.00 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Committee Mem,bership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Downey for Mr. Danforth on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Loiselle for Mr. Weatherhead on the Standing 
Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Can- 
ada on Loan and Trust Companies for the year ended 
December 31, 1969, pursuant to section 9 of the Depart- 
ment of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 1952. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/170. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Address, dated February 10, 1971, 
to His Excellency the Governor General, for a copy of 
an agreement between the Government of Canada and 
the Government of Saskatchewan providing for the de- 
velopment of the Last Oak Park in the Crooked-Round 
Lakes region of southeastern Saskatchewan. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 187). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-3/187. 

By Mr. Richardson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Capital Budget of the Royal Canadian Mint, 
for the period January 1 to December 31, 1971, pursuant 
to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with Order in Council 
P.C. 1971-235, dated February 4, 1971, approving same. — 
Sessional Paper No. 283-1/176A. 

By Mr. Richardson, — Capital Budget of the Royal Cana- 
dian Mint, for the period January 1 to December 31, 1970, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administra- 
tion Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with Order 
in Council P.C. 1970-624, dated April 9, 1970, approving 
same.— Sessional Paper No. 283-1/176B. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 



The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of ihi : House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing, Order 41(1), namely: 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1971 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 

Mr. Givens for the Chairman of the Special Committee 
on Environmental Pollution, presented the First Report 
of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Octo- 
ber 26, 1970, your Committee has considered Bill C-2, 
An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act, and has 
agreed to report it with the following amendments: 

Clause 2 

Strike out lines 27 to 32 on page 2 and substitute the 

following therefor: 

"(h) "owner", in relation to a ship, means the per- 
son having for the time being, either by law or by 
contract, the rights of the owner of the ship as 
regards the possession and use thereof;" 

Strike out lines 33 to 35 on page 2 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"(i) "pollution prevention officer" means a person 
designated as a pollution prevention officer pursuant 
to section 740; and" 

Strike out lines 14 to 18 on page 3 and substitute the 
'oUowing therefor: 
"a pollutant." 

24168—22} 



Strike out line 5 on page 4 and substitute the follow- 
ing therefor: 

"except as thereby authorized for the purposes of 
this Part, in any" 

Delete the word "control" in line 21 of page 4 and 
substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Delete the word "control" in line 14 of page 5 and 
substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Strike out lines 34 and 35 of the French version on 
page 5 and substitute the following therefor: 
"gaison ou autrement." 

In line 43 of page 5, insert the words "or other" be- 
tween the words "oily" and "wastes". 

Delete the word "control" on lines 17, 20, 24 and 28 
on page 8 and substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Strike out line 34 on page 8 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

"741. (1) A pollution prevention officer may" 

Add immediately following subsection (1) of section 
741 the new subsection as follows, on page 10: 



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"(2) Compensation shall be paid by the Crown 
for the services of any ship which has complied 
with an order issued under sub-paragraph (ii) of 
paragraph (e) of this section." 

Delete the word "control" in lines 22, 24, 27 and 31 
on page 10 and substitute the word "prevention" there- 
for. 

Delete the word "control" in line 2 on page 11 and 
substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Add immediately after subsection (4) of section 743 
on page 13, the following subsection: 

"(5) Subsection (6) of section 461 does not apply 
to relieve the master or owner of a ship from lia- 
bility, either civil or criminal or both, under this 
Part except where the consent of the Minister to the 
throwing of dangerous goods overboard in accordance 
with that subsection has been given and such goods 
are thrown overboard in accordance with any terms 
and conditions on which such consent was given." 

Strike out lines 4 to 22 on page 13 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"744. (1) The liability of any person pursuant to 
section 743 does not depend upon proof of fault or 
negligence but no person is liable pursuant to that 
section for any costs or expenses described in para- 
graph (c) of subsection (1) of that section or actual 
loss or damage described in paragraph (d) of that 
subsection incurred by another person where he 
establishes that 

(a) the conduct of that other person caused the 
discharge of the pollutant that gave rise to the 
liability or contributed to such discharge, to the 
degree to which his conduct contributed thereto, 
or 

(b) the discharge of the pollutant that gave rise 
to the liability was wholly caused by 

(i) an act of war, hostilities, civil war, insur- 
rection or a natural phenomenon of an excep- 
tional, inevitable and irresistible character, 
(ii) an act or omission done with intent to 
cause damage by a person other than any per- 
son for whose wrongful act or omission he is by 
law responsible, or 

(iii) the negligence or wrongful act or omission 
of any person or government in the installation 
or maintenance of lights or other navigational 
aids 

and nothing in this Part shall be construed as limit- 
ing or restricting any right of recourse that a person 
liable pursuant to section 743 may have against any 
other person." 

Strike out lines 24 to 26 on page 13 and substitute 
■he following therefor: 

"(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a refer- 
ence to the conduct of another person includes any 
wrongful act" 



Strike out lines 15 and 16 on page 14 and substitute 
the following therefor: 

"(c) where the incident occurs without actual fault 
or privity on the part of the person" 

Strike out line 22 on page 14 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

"(d) where the incident occurs with actual fault 
or privity" 

Delete subsection (3), lines 9 to 17, both inclusive of 
section 747 on page 17. 

Strike out line 28 on page 24. 

Strike out lines 33 to 35 on page 24 and substitute 
the following therefor: 

"of a ship, the owner, consignor or shipper of the 
oil." 

Delete the word "and" in line 43 on page 24. 

Strike out lines 4 to 6 on page 25 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"(3) of section 757 or in regulations made under 
paragraph (c) of this section from whom amounts 
payable under subsection (1) of section 757 may 
be recovered; and 

(c) providing for payments under subsection (1) 

of section 757 in respect of any pollutant other than 

oil that is specified in the regulations and that is 

(i) imported by ship into Canada as a cargo, or 

(ii) shipped from any place in Canada as a cargo 

of a ship, 

and providing for the amount of such payments, 
the time when payment thereof shall be made or 
security for such payments shall be given and the 
persons from whom such amounts may be recovered 
in accordance with subsection (3) of section 757 by 
Her Majesty in right of Canada." 

Strike out line 20 on page 27 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

"one hundred thousand dollars." 

Delete the word "control" in lines 27 and 29 on 
page 27 and substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Strike out line 33 on page 27 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

, "fine not exceeding one hundred thousand" 

Strike out line 9 on page 28 and substitute the follow- 
ing therefor: 

"not exceeding one hundred thousand" 

Strike out line 17 on page 28 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

"to a fine not exceeding one hundred" 

Delete the word "control" in lines 3, 8, 10 and 17 on 
page 29 and substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 



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Delete the word "control" on lines 21 and 22 on page 

30 and substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Delete the word "control" on lines 5 and 10 on page 

31 and substitute the word "prevention" therefor. 

Strike out lines 36 to 46 on page 31 and lines 1 to 4 on 
page 32 and substitute the following therefor: 

"(2) Where a ship and any pollutant are seized 
under subsection (1) of section 769, any court in or 
before which proceedings referred to in subsection 
(1) of this section may be instituted may, with the 
consent of the Minister, order redelivery thereof to 
the person from whom they were seized if security 
for payment of the maximum fine that might be 
imposed as a result of any such proceedings and costs 
thereof is given to Her Majesty in right of Canada." 

Clause 4 

Strike out clause 4 on page 33 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

"4. This Act, except section 745 of the Canada 
Shipping Act as enacted by section 2 of this Act, 
shall come into force on a day to be fixed by proc- 
lamation, and that section shall come into force 
with respect to ships of any class or classes on a 
day fixed by a proclamation proclaiming it to be in 
force with respect to ships of that class or of those 
classes." 

Your Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-2, as 
amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issues Nos. 2 to 15 inclusive) is 
tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 24 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Legault, from the Standing Committee on Veterans 
Affairs, presented the First Report of the said Com- 
mittee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, January 
11, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill C-203, An 
Act to amend the Pension Act and the Civilian War 
Pensions and Allowances Act. 

The Committee recommends to the House that the 
Government consider the feasibility of: 

(a) including members of the Merchant Navy and 
of the Auxiliary Services who were prisoners of the 
Japanese during World War II in Section 57 of the 
Pension Act as amended by Bill C-203. 

(b) changing the figure of $2,400 to $3,500 in line 
26 on page 25 of Bill C-203. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence (Issue No. 6) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 25 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Legault, from the Standing Committee on Veterans 
Affairs, presented the Second Report of the said Com- 
mittee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Janu- 
ary 11, 1971, your Conrmiittee has considered Bill C-203, 
An Act to amend the Pension Act and the Civilian War 
Pensions and Allowances Act, and has agreed to report 
it with the following amendments: 

Clause 7 

Strike out lines 20, 21, 22 on page 10 and substitute the 

following therefor: 

'(b) medical evidence that establishes beyond a 
reasonable doubt that the disability or disabling 
condition existed prior to his enlistment.' 

Clause 21 

Strike out lines 7, 8, 9 on page 21 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'(a) she has earnings from personal employment;' 

Strike out line 19 on page 21 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

'exceed $600 per annum and she re-' 

Clause 28 

Strike out lines 28 to 35 on page 24 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"(2) A pension in an amount equal to the pension 
payable for a disability assessed at fifty per cent 
shall, on application, be awarded in accordance with 
the rates set out in Schedule A to or in respect of a 
person who was a prisoner of war of the Japanese 
and has any assessable disability." 

Strike out lines 1 to 12 on page 25 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"58. A pension shall, on application, be awarded 
to any person to whom a pension could be awarded 
under Part III, in respect of a person who was a 
prisoner of war of the Japanese and who died prior 
to the coming into force of this Part, in an amount 
equal to the amount that would be payable in respect 
of that person under Part III if, at the time of his 
death, he had been in receipt of a pension for a 
disability assessed at fifty per cent." 

Strike out lines 3 and 4 on page 26 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

'capacity is lessened by treatment or the use of 
prostheses.' 

Add immediately after subsection (3) of section 59 on 
page 26 the following subsection: 

"(4) Where, in the opinion of the Commission, a 
member of the forces who is suffering an exceptional 



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incapacity should undergo medical treatment or use 
a prosthesis and that member has, in the opinion of 
the Commission, unreasonably refused to do so, the 
Commission may reduce the allowance to which his 
incapacity would otherwise have entitled him under 
this section by not more than one-half." 

Strike out lines 5 to 13 on page 37 and substitute the 
following therefor: 

"(3) The Pension Review Board shall entertain 
any request for an interpretation of any provision of 
Parts 111 to VII of this Act made by the Commission, 
the Chief Pensions Advocate or any veteran's or- 
ganization incorporated by or under any Act of the 
Parliament of Canada. 

(4) The Governor in Council may make regula- 
tions respecting the procedures to be followed by 
the Pension Review Board in hearing and consider- 
ing requests for interpretation made under sub- 
section (3)." 

Strike out line 43 on page 38 and substitute the fol- 
lowing therefor: 

'an applicant to an award and in assess-' 

The Conrmiittee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-203, as 
amended. 

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and 
Evidence relating to this Bill (Issues Nos. 1 to 8) is 
tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 26 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Beer, from the Standing Committee on Agricul- 
ture, presented the Third Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Janu- 
ary 25, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill C-185, 
An Act to amend the Crop Insurance Act, and has 
agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill (Issue No. 22) is tabled. 



The Order being read for the consideration of a 
Ways and Means motion to amend An Act to amend 
the Income Tax Act (Sessional Paper No. 283-1/308), 
laid upon the Table, Thursday, December 3, 1970; 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. 
Drury, moved, — That the said motion be now concurred 
in. 

An the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



The Order being read for the consideration of a Ways 
and Means motion to amend the Income Tax Act, 
(Sessional Paper No. 283-1/309), laid upon the Table, 
Thursday, December 3, 1970; 

Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. 
Drury, moved, — That the said motion be now concurred 
in. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it 
was agreed to. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 60(11), on motion of 
Mr. MacEachen for Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Drury, 
Bill C-225, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act and 
to amend An Act to amend that Act, was read the first 
time and ordered to be printed and ordered for a second 
reading and reference to a Committee of the Whole at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, was again considered in Committee of the Whole 
and progress having been made and reported the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was 
called pursuant to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Order numbered one was allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 27 to the 
Journals). 



■ Mr. Pepin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of a statistical table, dated 
February 15, 1971, prepared by the Dominion Bureau 
of Statistics re — seasonal adjustment of unemployment 
rates. (English and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283- 
7/18A. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill C-22, An Act to amend the 
Bills of Exchange Act and the Interest Act (Off -store 
Instalment Sales) ; 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Pentre), moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time and referred to the Standing Conunittee 
on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



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The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization 
of the Government of Canada and matters related or 
incidental thereto, and further progress having been 
made and reported the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do 
now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pur- 
suant to Standing Order 40(1); 

After debate the said question was deemed to have 
been adopted. 



Changes in Comviittee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. Horner for Mr. Ritchie on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 



Messrs. Deachman and Pringle for Messrs. Allmand 
and Crossman on the Standing Committee on Transport 
and Communications. 

Messrs. Murta and McKinley for Messrs. Mazankowski 
and Stewart (Marquette) on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 

Mr. Noble for Mr. Paproski on the Standing Committee 
on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Goode for Mr. Mahoney on the Standing Commit- 
tee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Mr. Rondeau for Mr. Rodrigue on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Health, Welfare and Social Affaii-s. 

Mr. Lachance for Mr. Robinson on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 

Messrs. Horner, Howe and Murta for Messrs. Carter, 
Peddle and Nowlan on the Standing Committee on 
Transport and Communications. 

Mr. St. Pierre for Mr. Leblanc (Laurier) on the 
Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and Economic 
Affairs. 



At 10.28 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until to- 
morrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 
2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Ml-. Lessard (LaSalle), from the Standing Committee 
on Transport and Communications, presented the First 
Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, Feb- 
ruary 8, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill C-186, 
An Act to authorize the provision of moneys to meet 
certain capital expenditures of the Canadian National 
Railways System and Air Canada for the period from 
the 1st day of January, 1970, to the 30th day of June, 
1971, and to authorize the guarantee by Her Majesty of 
certain securities to be issued by the Canadian National 
Railway Company and certain debentures to be issued 
by Air Canada, and has agreed to report it without 
amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issue No. 1) is tabled. 



(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompany- 
ing the said Report recorded as Appendix No. 28 to the 
Journals). 

Mr. Tolmie, from the Standing Committee on Justice 
and Legal Affairs, presented the Third Report of the said 
Committee, which is as foUows: 



Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, January 
25, 1971, your Committee has considered Bill C-182, an 
Act to provide for the examination, publication and 
scrutiny of regulations and other statutory instruments 
and has agreed to report it with the following amend- 
ments: 

Clause 2 

(a) Strilce out line 22 in sub-clause (b), on page 1, 
and substitute the following therefor: 

'under an Act of Parliament, and any instrument de- 
scribed as a regulation in any other Act of Parliament;' 

(b) Strike out line 17 in sub-clause (d), paragraph 
(ii), on page 2, and substitute the following therefor: 

'Governor in Council, otherwise than in the execution 
of a power conferred by or under an Act of Parliament,' 

(c) Strike out line 2 in sub-clause (d), paragraph 
(vi), on page 3, and substitute the following therefor: 

'ritory or the Northwest Territories or any instrument 
issued, made or established thereunder.' 

Clause 12 

Strike out lines 38 to 40, both inclusive, on page 7, and 
substitute the following therefor: 



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Notwithstanding anything in this Act, the Governor 
in Council may by regulation direct that any statutory 
instrument or other document, or any class thereof, 
be published in the Canada Gazette and the Clerk of 
the Privy Council, where authorized by regulations 
made by the Governor in Council, may direct or' 

Clause 14 

Strike out lines 18 to 22, both inclusive, in sub-clause 
(1), on page 8, and substitute the following therefor: 

'all regulations and amendments to regulations in force 

at any time after the end of the preceding calendar 

year,' 

Clause 27 

Strike out lines 14 to 16, both inclusive, in sub-clause 

(a), on page 13, and substitute the following therefor: 
'would, if it were made, be exempted from the appli- 
cation of subsection (1) of section 5 or from the appli- 
cation of subsection (1) of section 11 as a regulation 
or class of regulation described in subparagraph (ii) 
of paragraph (c);' 

Your Committee has ordered a reprint of Bill C-182, 
as amended. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence 
relating to this Bill {Issue No. 7) is tabled. 



(The MiniLtes of Proceedings and Evidence accompaiiy- 
ing t}ie said Report recorded as Appendix No. 29 to the 
Journals). 



Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
delivered a Message from His Excellency the Governor 
General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as follows: 

ROLAND MICHENER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Com- 
mons Estimates of sums required for the service of 
Canada for the year ending on the 31st March, 1972, 
and, in accordance with the provisions of "The British 
North America Act, 1867" the Governor General recom- 
mends these Estimates to the House of Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



The said Estimates, 1971-72, recorded as Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/132B. 



On motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Drury, 
on division, it was ordered, — That the Estimates of sums 
required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
March 31, 1972, be referred to the several Standing Com- 
mittees of the House as follows: 



To the Standing Committee on Agriculture 

Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 relating to tlie Department 

of Agriculture 

Vote 30 relating to the Canadian Dairy Commission 

Votes 35 and 40 relating to the Canadian Livestock 

Feed Board 

Vote 45 relating to the Farm Credit Corporation 

To the Standing Committee on Broadcasting, Films and 
Assistance to the Arts 

Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 and 45 relating to 
the Department of the Secretary of State 
Vote 20 relating to the Commissioner of Official Lan- 
guages 

Votes 25 and L30 relating to Information Canada 
Vote 50 relating to the Canada Council 
Votes 55 and L60 relating to the Canadian Broadcast- 
ing Corporation 

Vote 65 relating to the Canadian Radio-Television 
Commission 

Vote 70 relating to the Company of Young Canadians 
Vote 75 relating to the National Arts Centre Corpora- 
tion 

Votes 80, L85 and L90 relating to the National Film 
Board 

Vote 95 relating to the National Library 
Vote 100 relating to National Museums of Canada 
Votes 105 and LI 10 relating to the Public Archives 

To the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs 

Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 and 45 relating to 
the Department of Veterans Affairs 

To the Standing Committee on External Affairs and 
National Defence 
Votes 1, 5, 10 and L12 relating to the Department of 
External Affairs 
Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30 relating to the Depart- 
ment of National Defence 
Votes 15, 20 and L25 relating to the Canadian Inter- 
national Development Agency 
Vote 30 relating to the International Joint Commission 
Vote 35 relating to Defence Construction (1951) 
Limited 

To the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade and 
Economic Affairs 
Votes 1, L5, 10 and 15 relating to the Department of 
Finance 

Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, L20, 25 and 30 relating to the 
Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce 
Vote 1 relating to the Department of National Revenue 
(Customs and Excise) 
Vote 5 relating to the Department of National Revenue 
(Taxation) 

Vote 25 relating to the Department of Insurance 
Vote 25 relating to the Economic Council of Canada 
Vote 30 relating to the Tariff Board 
Vote 35 relating to the Dominion Bureau of Statistics 
Vote 40 relating to the Standards Council of Canada 



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To the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Forestry 
Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 relating to the Department 
of the Environment 

To the Standing Committee on Health, Welfare and 
Social Affairs 

Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20 relating to the Department of 
Consumer and Corporate Affairs 

Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 and 40 relating to the 
Department of National Health and Welfare 
Vote 1 relating to the Ministry of State for Urban 
Affairs and Housing 

Vote 5 relating to Central Mortgage and Housing 
Corporation 

Votes 15, 20 and L25 relating to the National Capital 
Commission 

Vote 25 relating to the Prices and Incomes Commission 
Votes 45 and 50 relating to the Medical Research 
Council 

To the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and 
Northern Development 

Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, 20, 25, 30, L35, L40, L45, L50, L55, 
60, 65 and 70 relating to the Department of Indian 
Affairs and Northern Development 
Vote L75 relating to the Northern Canada Power 
Commission 

To the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs 
Vote 1 relating to the Department of Justice 
Vote 1 relating to the Department of the Solicitor 
General 

Votes 5, 10 and 15 relating to Correctional Services 
Vote 10 relating to the Tax Appeal Board 
Votes 20 and 25 relating to the Royal Canadian 
Mounted Police 

To the Standing Committee on Labour, Manpower and 
Immigration 

Vote 1 relating to the Department of Labour 
Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20 relating to the Department of 
Manpower and Immigration 

Vote 5 relating to the Unemployment Insurance Com- 
mission 
Vote 25 relating to the Immigration Appeal Board 

To the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates 
Vote 1 relating to the Governor General and Lieu- 
tenant-Governors 

Votes 1, 5 and 10 relating to the Privy Council 
Votes 1, 5 and 10 relating to the Department of Supply 
and Services 

Votes 1, 5 and 10 relating to the Treasury Board 
Vote 15 relating to Canadian Arsenals Limited 
Votes 15, 20 and 25 relating to the National Research 
Council 

Vote 20 relating to the Auditor General 
Vote 20 relating to Canadian Commercial Corporation 
Vote 30 relating to the Public Service Staff Relations 
Board 



Vote 35 relating to the Science Council of Canada 
Votes 115 and LI 20 relating to the Public Service 
Commission 

To the Standing Committee on National Resources and 
Public Works 

Votes 1, 10, 15, 20, 25, L30, 35 and 40 relating to the 

Department of Public Works 

Votes 1, 5, LIO, 15 and 20 relating to the Department 

of Energy, Mines and Resources 

Votes 25 and 30 relating to the Atomic Energy Control 

Board 

Votes 35, 40, L45, L50 and L55 relating to Atomic 

Energy of Canada Limited 

Vote L60 relating to Eldorado Nuclear Limited 

Vote 65 relating to the National Energy Board 

To the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections 
Vote 15 relating to the Chief Electoral Officer 

To the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organiza- 
tion 

Vote 1 relating to the Senate 

Vote 5 relating to the House of Commons 

Vote 10 relating to the Library of Parliament 

To the Standing Committee on Regional Development 
Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, L20, L25 and L30 relating to the 
Department of Regional Economic Expansion 
Vote 35 relating to Cape Breton Development Corpora- 
tion 

To the Standing Committee on Transport and Communi- 
cations 

Votes 1 and 5 relating to the Department of Communi- 
cations 

Votes 1 and 5 relating to the Post Office 
Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, L20, 25, 30, L35, 40, 45, 50 and 55 
relating to the Department of Transport 
Vote 60 relating to Canadian National Railways 
Votes 65 and 70 relating to the Canadian Transport 
Commission 

Votes 75, 80 and L85 relating to the National Harbours 
Board 

Vote L90 relating to Northern Transportation Company 
Limited 

Votes 95, LlOO and 105 relating to the St. Lawrence 
Seaway Authority 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 145 — Mr. Rynard 

1. Since January 1, 1965, how many post offices have 
been closed in (a) Ontario (b) Canada? 

2. Since January 1, 1965, how many post offices have 
been built or are projected for areas with under 2,000 
population and what have been the costs of each? 



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3. Since January 1, 1965, what was the total cost for 
all post office facilities operating from private residences 
or stores? 

4. What is the present cost for a new post office 
established within the last five years for (a) postmaster 
(b) caretaking (c) heat and light (d) capital depre- 
ciation?— Sessional Paper No. 283-2/145. 

No. 450 — Mr. Korchinski 

1 . Since the Temporary Wheat Reserve Act was in- 
troduced, what amount of money has been paid out by 
the government? 

2. In the past 20 years, for (a) wheat (b) oats (c) 
barley (d) rye (e) flax (/) rapeseed (i) what was the 
total sales in terms of dollars (ii) what was the total 
stock on hand at commercial position at the end of 
each crop year (iii) what was the total domestic dis- 
appearance in each year (iv) what were the total ex- 
ports in each year? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/450. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all correspondence between the Government of Canada 
and the NCS Foundation and Trust General du Canada 
regarding its incorporation under the Canada Corpora- 
tions Act. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 9 — Mr. Saltsman). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 136, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the survey of the private mortgage market undertaken 
by Central Mortgage and Housing Coi-poration in Septem- 
ber, 1969 to determine whether adequate private funds 
for housing are available, 

having been called was, at the request of the honourable 
Member for Broadview (Mr. Gilbert), transferred by 
the Clerk to the order of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" 
pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between the Government of Canada and the Government 
of the Province of British Columbia on the subject- 
matter of the incorporation as a municipality of the 
Indian community on the Cape Mudge Indian Reserve. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
175 — Mr. Burnett). 



Ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy 
of all papers including the policy documents and position 
papers presented by representatives of Canada in Wash- 
ington at the three-day Conference on the Environment 
sponsored by the Atlantic Council of the United States. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
183 — Mr. Orlikow). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 192, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
the policy statement or directive issued to Manpower 
Offices by the Department of Manpower and Immigra- 
tion in January, 1968 as referred to by the Minister 
of Manpower and Immigration on Tuesday, January 27, 
1971, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House copies of all correspondence, notes, 
papers and memoranda since March 20, 1970, having to 
do with the development of National Parks in Nova 
Scotia including the existing National Parks and pro- 
posals for any additional National Parks. — (Notice, of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 195 — Mr. For- 
restall). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 166, 
as follows: 

That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
all correspondence and other documents between the 
government and firms or interested parties concerning 
adverse affects of the change to a floating dollar an- 
nounced by the Minister of Finance in June, 1970, 

having been called was, at the request of the Honourable 
the President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen), 
transferred by the Clerk to the order of "Notices of 
Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization of the 
Government of Canada and matters related or incidental 
thereto, was again considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



Objection being taken in Committee to a decision of 
the Chairman (Mr. Honey) and an appeal being made 
to Mr. Speaker; 

Pursuant to Standing Order 55(4), Mr. Speaker took 
the Chair. 



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Whereupon the Chairman reported as follows: 

"Mr. Speaker, the question is an appeal to a 
decision of the Chairman of the Committee of the Whole 
under the provisions of Section (4) of Standing Order 
55 as follows: 

When clause 2 of Bill C-207, an Act respecting the 
organization of the Government of Canada and matters 
related or incidental thereto, was being considered in 
the Committee of the Whole at yesterday's sitting, the 
honourable Member for St. John's East (Mr. McGrath) 
proposed an amendment as follows: 

"That clause 2 of Bill C-207 be amended by striking 
out the words 'Department- of the Environment' where 
they first appear, immediately after clause 1 on page 1 
thereof, and substituting therefor the words 'Depart- 
ment of Fisheries and the Environment'." 

When the committee resumed at this day's sitting the 
honourable Member for St. John's East raised a point 
of order as to the procedural position of the proposed 
amendment in view of the Tabling this day of esti- 
mates covering the department of environment, which 
Part I of Bill C-207 would establish. 

The Chairman ruled that the amendment had been 
proposed in accordance with the usages and practices of 
the House, and in relation thereto, that the Tabling of 
the estimates had no procedural effect on proceedings on 
the proposed amendment." 



mates which assume that an amendment proposed by an 
honourable Member in the course of a debate is not 
going to be accepted. 

At the same time, this relates much more to the 
aspect of Tabling the estimates than to the procedural 
aspect of the amendment before us. The Chairman has 
ruled that the amendment is in order and that its 
procedural acceptability is not affected in any way by 
the Tabling of the estimates, that Parliament as an 
institution is free to consider it objectively and to 
decide on it without relation to the Tabling of the 
estimates or what may be in those estimates. 

It seems to me that this ruling is a very fair one, 
and I would hesitate at this stage to say that his decision 
should be overruled. 

I must come to the conclusion that I agree with the 
honourable the Chairman of the Committee of the Whole 
and I am in full agreement also with the reasons he gave 
in support of his ruling. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the 
Whole of Bill C-207, An Act respecting the organization 
of the Government of Canada and matters related or 
incidental thereto, and further progress having been 
made and reported the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I might say at the outset that I will not 
attempt to reply to the question posed by the honourable 
Member for Saint John-Lancaster (Mr. Bell). It is 
certainly beyond the very limited responsibility of the 
Chair which is simply to rule on the procedural aspect 
of the matter before the House. 

I have before me the report which came from the 
Chairman of the Committee of the Whole by way of 
an appeal under Standing Orders. I see that the Chair- 
man ruled that the amendment had been proposed in 
accordance with the usages and practices of the House 
and in relation thereto. As has been suggested by the 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. 
Knowles) the point is, from a procedural standpoint, 
that an amendment was proposed by the honourable 
Member for St. John's East and there was some ques- 
tion as to whether or not it was in order. The Chairman 
of the Committee of the Whole ruled that the proposed 
amendment was in order. 

From a procedural standpoint the question now is 
whether the Tabling of the estimates today has the 
result of making the amendment no longer correct proce- 
durally because, let us not forget, that this is the only 
point on which the Speaker or the Chairman can rule. The 
point raised by the honourable Member for St. John's 
East and by some of his colleagues in the House may 
be very valid from a substantive point of view. There 
may be something morally wrong about Tabling esti- 



Changes in Committee Membership 

Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Mr. MacRae for Mr. Flemming on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 

Mr. Loiselle for Mr. Portelance on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Transport and Communications. 

Mr. Moore for Mr. La Salle on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Agriculture. 

Mr. Forest for Mr. Goode on the Standing Committee 
on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Messrs. Dupras, Hopkins and Turner (London East) 
for Messrs. Goyer, Gibson and AUmand on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs and National Defence. 

Mr. Yanakis for Mr. Prud'homme on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs and National Defence. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the 
Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 



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By Mr. Jamieson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Statement of Wharf Revenue Receipts and State- 
ments of Harbour Dues for the fiscal year ended March 
31, 1970, pursuant to section 14 of the Government Har- 
bours and Piers Act, chapter 135, R.S.C., 1952. (English 
and French). — Sessional Paper No. 283-1/261. 

By Mr. Lang, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coun- 
cil, — Return of Permits issued under the authority of 
section 8 of the Immigration Act for the calendar year 



1970, pursuant to section 8(5) of the said Act, chapter 
325, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French).— Sessional 
Paper No. 283-1/158. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), from 
his place in the House, asked leave under Standing 
Order 26 to move the adjournment of the House for the 
purpose of discussing a specific and important matter 
requiring urgent consideration, and stated the subject 
to be: the statement made in the House of Commons 
on February 17, 1971, by the Minister of Energy, Mines 
and Resources that Home OU Co. Ltd. of Calgary had 
not yet been sold and this morning's press reports that 
a sale is imminent and hence the need for Parliament 
to debate this vitally important matter and to consider 
methods of preventing the last major Canadian-owned 
and controlled oil company from being sold to non- 
residents. 

And leave having been granted to the honourable 
Member to propose the said motion; 

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to section 9 of Standing Order 
26, directed that the proposed motion stand over until 
8.00 o'clock p.m., this day. 



The Order being read for the report stage of Bill C-203, 
An Act to amend the Pension Act and the Civilian War 



Pensions and Allowances Act, as reported (with amend- 
ments) from the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 

Mr. Dube, seconded by Mr. Pepin, moved, — That Bill 
C-203, An Act to amend the Pension Act and the Civilian 
War Pensions and Allowances Act be amended by 

(a) adding thereto immediately after clause 34 on 
page 41 the following clause: 

"35. The said Act is further amended by 
adding thereto the following Part: 



PART XII 

PRISONERS OF WAR OF 
THE JAPANESE 



"Prisoner of 
war of the 
Japanese" 



76. In this Part, "prisoner of war of the 
Japanese" means 

(a) a person described in paragraph (a) 
or (b) of subsection (1) of section 7, or 

(b) a person described in section 17, 

who was during World War II a prisoner of 
war of the Japanese for a period of one year 
or more. 



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Pension 
payable to 
disabled 
prisoner 
of war 
of the 
Japanese 



Pension 
payable in 
respect of 
deceased 
prisoner 
of war 
of the 
Japanese 



77. A pension in an amount equal to the 
pension payable for a disability assessed at 
fifty per cent shall, on application, be awarded 
in accordance with the rates set out in 
Scliedule A to the Pension Act to or in respect 
of a person who was a prisoner of war of the 
Japanese and has any assessable disability. 

78. A pension shall, on application, be 
awarded to any person to whom a pension 
could be awarded under Part III of the 
Pension Act, in respect of a person who was 
a prisoner of war of the Japanese and who 
died prior to the coming into force of this 
Part, in an amount equal to the amount that 
would be payable in respect of that person 
under Part III of the Pension Act if, at the 
time of his death, he had been in receipt of 
a pension for a disability assessed at fifty 
per cent." ; and 

(b) renumbering clause 35 on page 41 as clause 36. 

The text of the Message and recommendation of the 
Governor General is as follows: 

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to 
the House of Commons that Bill C-203, An Act to 
amend the Pension Act and the Civilian War Pensions 
and Allowances Act, now before the House, be amended 
by 

(a) adding thereto immediately after clause 34 on 
page 41 the following clause: 

"35. The said Act is further amended by 
adding thereto the following Part: 



PART XII 

PRISONERS OF WAR OF 
THE JAPANESE 

76. In this Part, "prisoner of war of the 
Japanese" means 

(a) a person described in paragraph (a) 
or (b) of subsection (1) of section 7, or 



(b) a person described in section 17, 

who was during World War II a prisoner of 
war of the Japanese for a period of one year 
or more. 

77. A pension in an amount equal to the 
pension payable for a disability assessed at 
fifty per cent shall, on application, be awarded 
in accordance with the rates set out in 
Schedule A to the Pension Act to or in respect 
of a person who was a prisoner of war of the 
Japanese and has any assessable disability. 

78. A pension shall, on application, be 
awarded to any person to whom a pension 
could be awarded under Part III of the 
Pension Act, in respect of a person who was 
a prisoner of war of the Japanese and who 
died prior to the coming into force of this 
Part, in an amount equal to the amount that 
would be payable in respect of that person 
under Part III of the Pension Act if, at the 
time of his death, he had been in receipt of 
a pension for a disability assessed at fifty 
per cent." ; and 

(b) renumbering clause 35 on page 41 as clause 36. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

On motion of Mr. Dube, seconded by Mr. Sharp, the 
said bill, as amended, was concurred in at the report 
stage. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Dube, seconded by Mr. 
Sharp, moved, — That the said bill be now read a third 
time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by 
Mr. Peters, moved in amendment thereto, — That Bill 
C-203, be not now read a third time but that it be 
referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs 
for the purpose of reconsidering the proposed section 
59(1) on page 25 of the said Bill. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was negatived on the following division: 



Aiken, 

Alexander, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Beaudoin, 

BeU, 

Benjamin, 

Burton, 

Cadieu, 



Coates, 

Comeau, 

Dionne, 

Douglas (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 
ForrestaU, 
Gauthier, 
Gilbert, 
Gleave, 



Yeas 

Messrs. 

Godin, 

Harding, 

Horner, 

Howe, 

Knowles (Winnipeg 

North Centre), 
KLnowles (Norfolk- 

Haldimand), 
Korchinski, 



Lambert 

(Bellechasse), 
Lambert 

(Edmonton West), 
La Salle, 
Latulippe, 
Lundrigan, 
MacLean, 
MacRae, 
McCleave, 



McCutcheon, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McKinley, 

Matte, 

Mazankowski, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir, 

Murta, 



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Nielsen, 

Noble, 

Nowlan, 

Nystrom, 

Paproski, 

Peddle, 



Anderson, 

Andras, 

Badanai, 

Barrett, 

Basford, 

B^chard, 

Beer, 

Benson, 

Blair, 

Borrie, 

Buchanan, 

Cafik, 

Chappell, 

Chretien, 

Clermont, 

Cobbe, 

Corbin, 

Corriveau, 

Cote (Longueuil), 

CuUen, 

Danson, 

Davis, 



Peters, 


Rowland, 


Southam, 


Thomson (Battleford 


Ricard, 


Saltsman, 


Stewart 


Kindersley), 


Ritchie, 


Schumacher, 


(Marquette), 


Valade, 


Rodrigue, 


Scott, 


T6trault, 


WooUiams — 68. 


Rondeau, 


Simpson, 


Thomas 




Rose, 


Skoberg, 


(Moncton), 





Deachman, 
Douglas 

(Assiniboia), 
Drury, 
Dube, 
Dupras, 
Emard, 
Forest, 
Forget, 
Francis, 
Gendron, 
Gillespie, 
Goyer, 
Gray, 
Greene, 
Groos, 
Guilbault, 
Haidasz, 
Hogarth, 
Hopkins, 
Howard (Okanagan 

Boundary), 
Hymmen, 



Nays 
Messrs. 

Isabelle, 

Jamieson, 
Jerome, 
Kaplan, 
Lachance, 
Laing (Vancouver 

South), 
Lang (Saskatoon- 

Humboldt), 
Leblanc (Laurier), 
LeBlanc (Rimouski), 
Lefebvre, 
Legault, 

Lessard (LaSalle), 
Lessard 

(Lac-Saint- Jean), 
Lind, 
Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
McBride, 
McNulty, 
Major, 



Marchand 
(Langelier), 

Marchand 
(Kamloops- 
Cariboo), 

Morison, 

Munro, 

Murphy, 

Noel, 

O'ConneU, 

Olson, 

Pepin, 

Perrault, 

Portelance, 

Pringle, 

Richard, 

Richardson, 

Roberts, 

Rochon, 

Rock, 

Roy (Laval), 

Serre, 

Sharp, 



Smith 

(Northumberland- 

Miramichi), 
Smith 

(Saint-Jean), 
Stafford, 
Stanbury, 
Stewart (Okanagan- 

Kootenay), 
St. Pierre, 
Thomas 

(Maisonneuve- 

Rosemont), 
Tolmie, 
Trudeau, 
Trudel, 
Turner 

(London East), 
Turner (Ottawa- 

Carleton), 
Watson, 
Whicher, 
Whiting— 97. 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' 
Business was suspended. 



Changes in Committee Mem,bership 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Dube, 
seconded by Mr. Sharp, — That Bill C-203, An Act to 
amend the Pension Act and the Civilian War Pensions 
and Allowances Act, be now read a third time and do 
pass. 

After further debate, the question being put on the 
said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and 
passed. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 26, at 8.00 o'clock p.m., 
Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), seconded 
by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre), moved, — 
That this House do now adjourn. 

After debate thereon, Mr. Speaker declared the motion 
carried. 



Notice having been filed with the Clerk of the House 
pursuant to Standing Order 65(4) (b), membership of 
Committees was amended as follows: 

Messrs. Stewart (Marquette), Skoreyko and McNulty 
for Messrs. MacDonald (Egmont), Fairweather and 
Turner (London East) on the Standing Committee on 
External Affairs and National Defence. 

Mr. Ritchie for Mr. Flemming on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Finance, Trade and Economic Affairs. 

Messrs. Hogarth and Rodrigue for Messrs. Robinson 
and Rondeau on the Standing Committee on Health, 
Welfare and Social Affairs. 

Mr. Barnett for Mrs. Maclnnis on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Health, Welfare and Social Affairs. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with 
the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the 
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table pursuant 
to Standing Order 41(1), namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Return to an Order of the House, dated 
January 20, 1971, for copies of all correspondence be- 
tween the Department of Consumer and Corporate Affairs, 
the Department of Finance, the Minister without Port- 
folio responsible for Housing and Mr. Sydney Bell, C.L.U., 
Managing Director, Insurance and Financial Consulting 
Service, Winnipeg, Manitoba, concerning the feasibility 



of establishing a public life insurance plan. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 157). — Sessional 
Paper No. 283-3/157. 

By Mr. MacEachen, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated October 7, 1970, for a copy of the consultant study 
by Ernst and Ernst undertaken for the Department of 
Regional Economic Expansion regarding planning study 
as mentioned in answer to Question Number 897 and 
reported in Hansard of March 18, 1970 at page 5163. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 476). 
— Sessional Paper No. 283-3/476. 



At 12.15 o'clock a.m., the House adjourned until 11.00 
o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



PRAYERS 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and 
Forestry of Bill C-224, An Act relating to ambient air 
quality and to the control of air pollution; 

Mr. Davis, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Forestry. 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; 



A point of order having been raised by the honourable 
Member for St. John's East (Mr. McGrath); 

Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Davis, 
seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — ^That Bill C-224, An Act 
relating to ambient air quaUty and to the control of air 
pollution, be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Fisheries and Forestry. 

After further debate, the said debate was closed. 



[Private Members' BtLsiness was called pursuant 
to Standing Order 15(4)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered one and two were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Labour, Man- 
power and Immigration of Bill C-27, An Act to amend 
the Canada Labour (Safety) Code (Marine Workers); 

Mr. Skoberg, seconded by Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg 
North Centre), moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Labour, Manpower and Immigration. 

And debate arising thereon; 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House 
until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing 
Order 2(1). 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



PRAYERS 



RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 



Mr. Speaker: On Tuesday, February 16 last the hon- 
ourable Member for St. John's East (Mr. McGrath) 
raised a question concerning the regularity or the pro- 
priety of a Committee of the Whole sitting when a num- 
ber of standing committees were scheduled to meet. 

The following day, on Wednesday, February 17, the 
honourable Member raised a much similar question but 
this time as a question of privilege. While I am not 
accepting that Member's proposition as a question of 
privilege, the Chair recognized that there was some 
difficulty and assured the House that further and con- 
tinuing study would be given to the situation. 

In particular, it was proposed that the procedural 
difficulty be considered by the House Leaders. It is my 
hope that these honourable gentlemen will be available 
for such a meeting within the next few hours, perhaps, 
or at least the next few days. 

In the comparatively brief period at my disposal, I 
have endeavoured to review the practice of the House in 
respect of concurrent sittings of the House or Commit- 
tees of the Whole with standing or special committees. 
Up to this moment, I have been able to consider, in 



some detail, every regular session of our Parliament 
back to 1952 and there has been little difficulty in estab- 
lishing that Committees of the Whole and standing 
committees have in fact sat concurrently throughout 
those years. 

I do not suggest the House should presume that such 
conditions were unopposed. Senior Members of this 
House will vouch for the fact that strong positions were 
taken and many hours were spent over the years in 
objecting to such meetings on the very same grounds 
as have been recently advanced particularly by the 
honourable Member for St. John's East (Mr. McGrath). 
It would seem that this practice rightly or wrongly has 
been confirmed by the recent revision of the Standing 
Orders of the House. I suggest the condition has been 
accentuated by the unanimous order of the House 
referring the government reorganization bill to a Com- 
mittee of the Whole House. While that bill is an omni- 
bus bill the Standing Orders do not provide for the con- 
sideration of such a bill in a Committee of the Whole 
except by order of the House. 

While it is apparent that it may not have been appro- 
priate to send that bill to a standing committee it would 
not have been inappropriate to establish a special com- 



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mittee to which it could have been referred. It seems 
to me that sections (1) and (2) of Standing Order 74 
contemplate such procedure and had that procedure been 
observed the present difficulty would not have arisen. It 
might be of interest if I were to refer to Standing Order 
81 of the British House as printed at page 1084 of May's 
17th Edition which reads as follows: "All committees, 
other than committees of the Whole House, shall have 
leave to sit at any time on any day on which the House 
sits, but may not otherwise sit during any adjournment 
of the House, without the leave of the House, and such 
leave shall not be moved for without notice." 

That standing order of the British House indicates 
that our own long-standing practice is not unique and 
not at variance with the practice in other Parliaments, 
in particular at Westminster. 

It is of interest to note, however, that in the British 
House proceedings in standing committees are interrupted 
in order ti allow Members to participate in divisions in 
the Committee of the Whole. This brings me to consider 
the objection voiced by the honourable Members for 
Edmonton West (Mr. Lambert) and Calgary North (Mr. 
WooUiams) to the effect that when a Committee of the 
Whole is sitting Members in attendance at standing com- 
mittees receive no warning of impending votes as is 
t!ie case when the Speaker is in the House. The difficul- 
ty is solved in the British House by the practice of inter- 
rupting proceedings in a standing committee so that 
Members can proceed to the House to participate in a 
division called in Committee of the Whole. Our own 
revised rules provide for deferred votes at the report 
stage of a bill, presumably to eliminate the possibility 
of frequent interruptions of standing committees. It 
may well be that our rules should be further amended to 
establish a similar procedure for votes which might be 
called in Committee of the Whole or possibly to estab- 
lish a practice similar to that which exists at West- 
minster. 

With respect to the interruption of proceedings in 
standing committees, these are possibilities which should 
be considered by honourable Members and in particular 
by the House leaders on behalf of their respective par- 
ties. The difficulty might well be considered also by the 
Committee on Procedure and Organization. While as I 
have stated on two or three occasions last week there 
appears to be a difficulty when there is a prolonged 
consideration of a bill in Committee of the Whole it 
does seem to me that situation is not in conflict with 
our existing practice or with the provisions of our 
standing orders and that the difficulty is not one which 
can be considered under the heading of parliamentary 
privilege. 

It is precisely in recognition of the difficulty of the 
problem that I suggest the matter be considered by 
representatives of the parties in the House who I am 
sure are anxious to find a common ground to ensure 
the orderly proceeding of the legislative process in the 
House. This is why I took the initiative in suggesting 



a meeting by representatives of the parties. It is my 
hope this meeting can take place soon and will have 
some broad and helpful results. 



Mr. Hales, from the Standing Committee on Public 
Accounts, presented the Fourth Report of the said Com- 
mittee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Friday, October 
30, 1970, your Committee has considered the Public 
Accounts for the year ended March 31, 1969, the Auditor 
General's Report thereon and the evidence adduced by 
the Committee during the past Session in relation thereto. 

Your Committee recommends that it be granted 
authorization to retain the services of legal counsel to 
assist in the consideration of paragraph numbered 55 
of the aforementioned Auditor General's Report, the 
paragraph titled "Failure of a Crown corporation to 
deduct and remit employees' taxes and to pay other 
contributions to the United States Government". 



Mr. Lang, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid upon the Table, — Copies of Statement outlining the 
Grassland Incentive Programme to be administered by 
the Department of Agriculture. (English and French). — ■ 
Sessional Paper No. 283-7/19. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two 
Questions were made Orders of the House for Returns: 

No. 425 — Mr. McCleave 

1 . What are the recruiting plans up to the end of 
1971 of departments, agencies and Crown corporations 
to employ (a) chartered accountants (b) lawyers (c) 
medical doctors (d) engineers? 

2. Are they to be recruited by the Public Service 
Commission or by the department, agency or Crown 
corporation concerned? — Sessional Paper No. 283-2/425. 

No. 742— Mr. Howard (Skeena) 

1 . What was the total amount of money spent by 
the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Develop- 
ment in federally operated schools and vocational train- 
ing institutions for the education of residents of the 
Yukon and the Northwest Territories for the past five 
years and, what is the breakdown for each year? 

2. What percentage of the total Northern Economic 
Development Branch budget do the above educational 
expenditures account represent? — Sessional Paper No. 
283-2/742. 

Mr. Jerome, Parliamentary Secretary to the President 
of the Privy Council, presented, — Returns to the fore- 
going Orders. 



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The Order being read for the second reading and 
reference to the Standing Committee on Finance, Trade 
and Economic Affairs of Bill C-219, An Act to establish 
the Canada Development Corporation; 

And a point of order having been raised by the 
honourable Member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) to 
the effect that the said Bill was in the nature of a hy- 
brid bill; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The honourable Member for Peace River 
(Mr. Baldwin) indicated some time ago that he proposed 
to object to the bill from a procedural standpoint before 
second reading and in this way the House, the Speaker 
and all honourable Members were put on notice that this 
very interesting point would be raised today. The 
honourable Member for Edmonton West (Mr. Lambert) 
indicated in an informal way that he proposed to object 
to the form in which the bill was being submitted to 
the House for consideration. I make reference to this 
background to indicate that I have tried to do my 
homework, as honourable Members would expect the 
Speaker to do, and to give serious thought to the diffi- 
culty, to study precedents, to look at our rules as closely 
as possible, and perhaps be more informed on this as 
well as on the arguments submitted by honourable 
Members in the course of the debate. 

There is no doubt whatsoever that this has been a 
most informative debate from a procedural standpoint 
but the objections advanced by honourable Members 
who have taken part in the debate — and I will refer to 
no one in particular because the contributions were all 
constructive, I think — are not ones to which the Chair 
at this time should give effect. 

If honourable Members will bear with me for just a 
few moments I will go over what I consider to be 
essential about the definitions of private bills and public 
biUs and also so-called hybrid bills. As honourable Mem- 
ber.-; know, n public bill is one intended for the general 
or public benefit. It relates to mattei-s of public policy 
and is introduced directly by Members of the House. 
On the other hand, a private bill is one involving not 
general or public benefit but the particular and private 
rights or interests of a person or body of persons and 
where what is being sought cannot be obtained by 
means of a general law. Bourinot defines a private bill 
in this way as recorded at page 558: "Private bills are 
distinguished from public bills in that they directly relate 
to the affairs of private persons or of corporate bodies, 
and not to matters of general public policy or to the com- 
munity at large". 

My understanding of the private bill procedure is that 
it was established to protect the public against the un- 
controlled granting of special powers to private interests. 
I believe that there is no quarrel about this inter- 
pretation. 

What has been described as a third category of bills, 
that is hybrid bills, does not in fact exist in our Cana- 



dian parliamentary practice. Citations 376, 377 and 460 
of Beauchesne's fourth edition refer to hybrid bills. It is 
suggested that these citations relate to British practice 
only. This is pointed out by the fact that the citations 
come from May's "Parliamentary Practice", and the 
British practice, as honourable Members themselves have 
pointed out, relating to hybrid bills is spelled out in 
the standing orders of the British House, contrary to 
the citations in our own House where no provision what- 
soever is made for the consideration of what in the 
British parliament is called a hybrid bill. In other 
words, we have, according to our standing orders and 
our long established practice, just two kinds of bills — 
private bills and public bills. In Britain, in accordance 
with their standing orders and practice, there are three 
kinds of bills. 

What is being proposed by honourable Members is 
tliat when we .stumble upon a kind of bill which by 
coincidence nn^ht corrcjspond with what and which the 
British call a hybrid bill, we should apply the British 
practice to oiu- House. In support of this imaginative 
.';ug!?estion, honourable Members referred to Standing 
Order 1 of our House of Commons which sug.cests that 
when there is no existing practice in the Canadian par- 
liamentary history to cover a certain situation we should 
apply procedures followed by the British House. 

I sugge.~t this may well be so when there is no prac- 
tice, but in Canada there is a practice which is that 
there are only two kinds of bills, private bills and 
public bills. Honourable Members may want to call 
the bills different names — I have heard different names 
applied to different bills— they may want to call a bill 
a hybrid bill. But the fact that it may correspond to 
what is a hybrid bill in another House, particularly in 
the British House, docs not mean it should be treated 
in that way in our own Parliament. I repeat that in 
the Canadian practice bills are divided into private bills 
and public bills, and until now in any event there has 
been no instance where a bill has been clearlj' classified 
as a h.ybrid bill and given special consideration which 
would be akin or related in some way to the practice 
adopted in the British House in relation to such hybrid 
bills. The question therefore is whether the proposed 
legislation should be classified as a private or a public 
bill and considered by the House according to the relevant 
procedures specified in the Standing Orders. 

The honourable Member for Peace River in the course 
of his argument referred to a citation in Bourinot's sec- 
ond edition which dates back to the year 1883, that is 
the Toronto Esplanade and Harbour bill. I suggest to 
the honourable Member that this is not a very strong 
precedent in support of his case. I looked quickly at 
the bill while the argument was waxing a moment ago 
and my conclusion about this particular precedent is as 
follows. First, this was introduced as a public bill. It 
was considered by the House, given first and second 
reading as a public bill, and then referred to the railway 
committee. What happened in the railway committee is 
not clear because, as I am informed, the records in this 
respect are not complete. The bill was reported from the 



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committee to the effect that the preamble was not proven, 
which is a procedure ordinarily adopted in relation to 
private bills. To some extent this is significant, and 
it is to that extent that the argument of the honourable 
Member for Peace River is valid. But I suggest to him 
that the precedent is not entirely helpful since our 
records are not complete. 

The same edition of Bourinot's goes on at the follow- 
ing page to refer to a second precedent where a different 
course was adopted. This other precedent goes back even 
further, that is to the year 1875 when the then Prime 
Minister moved for leave to introduce a public bill 
relating to the Northern Railway of Canada. Eventually 
a ruling was made that the proposed legislation was 
both private and public in nature, and subsequently 
separate bills were passed by the House, one public 
and one private. This of course is a very interesting 
precedent. The explanation which I gathered from read- 
ing this precedent is that the essential reason why 
part of the bill was required by the Chair to be intro- 
duced as a private biU was that it purported to amend 
the original Act which itself was considered and passed 
as a private bill even before Confederation. 

The suggestion was made by some honourable Mem- 
bers that there is no precedent at all and that this is an 
entirely new situation. I agree with the suggestion to 
some extent, but to a limited extent only. There are a 
number of precedents where there has been an admix- 
ture of private bill and public bill considerations. The 
President of the Privy Council (Mr. MacEachen) has 
referred to one of these precedents, which is the Bank 
of Canada Act of 1934. In that instance, I am informed, 
the bill was a public bill preceded by a resolution. In 
that instance the Act provided for public offerings of 
its shares, and at the same time included provision for 
the government to participate. 

Another precedent which to some extent comes close 
to the bill which is now before the House is the Trans- 
Canada Air Lines Act, found in the Statutes of Canada, 
1937, chapter 43. The Journals indicate that the company 
was established by a public bill preceded by a resolu- 
tion, and included even the designation by name of the 
incorporators, normally a feature of a private bill. Yet 
in the course of consideration by the House and later 
until its eventual adoption, the measure was considered 
and treated by the Canadian Parliament as a public bill. 

It has been suggested to me that there may also 
be an analogy with the Telesat Act of 1968-69. I am 
not so sure about this precedent and I do not think it 
should be pressed although this bill was introduced and 
treated as a public bill. In any event I suggest to honour- 
able Members that in order that a bill be designated 
as private it should not and cannot include any feature 
of public policy because such characterization will trans- 
cend any private nature it may have. 

There appear to be well established principles in deter- 
mining that a private bill should not be allowed to 
proceed as such but should be introduced as a public 
bill. They are described as follows: 



"1. Where public policy is affected. 

2. Where the bill proposes to amend or repeal public 
Acts. 

3 . Because of the magnitude of the area and the multi- 
plicity of the interests involved. 

4. The fact that the bill, though partly of a private 
nature, has as its main object a public matter." 

These principles are outlined at page 873 of May's 
seventeeth edition. 

It may be that honourable Members may suggest that 
none of these criteria apply in this particular case, but 
to discuss this aspect of the matter I suggest we would 
have to go into the consideration of the essence of the 
bill, and to some extent this is what we have been 
doing in considering the procedural aspects of the 
matter. But if one applies the principles to which I 
have referred to Bill C-219, particularly to clause 6 of 
the bill which sets out the objects of the proposed legisla- 
tion, I think it is clear that whatever may be said of 
its private nature respecting incorporation of a company 
with public participation, this bill would appear to be a 
declaration of public policy, and would meet some of 
the other tests provided by the learned author. Again 
I refer honourable Members to clause 6 of the bill. 

I was about to go into other clauses of the bill but 
perhaps I should stay away from that, because I might 
give the appearance of delving too closely into the 
details of the bill, and I think all honourable Members 
have tried to stay away from discussing the details of 
the bill or going into its different clauses. I think I 
will limit my suggestion to this that clause 6, that 
is the objects clause, would indicate that in view of 
the principles set down by May, and which have been 
recognized over the years, the bill should be treated as 
a public bill. My conclusion therefore must be that 
procedurally speaking the bill is properly before the 
House in